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The Lproject has to be revealed in 3 we've posted alot individually on the subject over the long time span but to bring it up again it needs to be addressed for those of use who have the audacity to question it!


For those who need answers what should BW answer? 

Ok the more I hear I think written files downloaded to sheps' computer would be best so player interested can pull up the Lazarus info on that terminal and read at their leisure: I think the main folder for this info should then be broken into sections like the SB dossier was you were in say Miranda's folder then she had sub folders for you to look at what you wanted. Sub folders should be: team, technology, medical, and Shepard specific

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Reports needed in files

Medical file


We need an autopsy - This will establish the body received from Liara the mortician will site the general state of the body upon visual inspection of the outer shell, we will also learn here was the armor gone was the remains devoid of clothing or not, burns, scars, bones poking through the skin, missing limbs, state of skull and brain inside, state of organs are they viable for Cerberus plans or not. This person will recommend the parts to be turned cyber.


A neurologist examination of shep beyond a scan saying everything is fine. Did they test shep during the rebuilding process and shortly before the base attack ? How does this brain doctor think shep's mind is healing are the connecting neurons mending by natural means or  is rerouting and brain function replaced by tech? Also this neurologist would say about memories too how are they recovering that can they recover them?

is it damaged memories are restored via experimental "restore point"  brain surgery which downloads information from brain tissues, repairs "damaged" sectors (possibly replacing hopelessly lost portions), and reuploads them once the damaged sections of the brain are repaired. The neurologist would tell us things like this.

We want a psychologist opinion on the social ramifications and the potential harm or benefit this could do to shep mentally.


We want photos and if possible some footage of the body during the autopsy as well as during the rebuilding process we want to see the meat and tubes ourselves how messed up where we BW?


Physical life expectancy has that changed thanks to Lproject is his/her life extended or decreasing? How long does he/she have to live?


Shep's reproductive organs does he/she still have them, are they viable or not, or did Cerberus remove them because it was unnecessary to expend the resources to fix that. You know shep did ask about removing important things.

Cybog vs Human how much of shep's body is organic? How much of it is Cyborg and what are those bone only or more?

The organics used we know that growing organs and tissue was used but was too slow for what Cerberus wanted was artificial cellular regeneration based on krogan and/or vorcha cells used to speed this up?

Operation Logs - A few entries like Day 56 we finally injected chemical X into shep the reaction was Y. Doesn't need to be a day by day log but some highlights of project failure or successes via Miranda and Wilson. Here the would also state the body stages like " just a black husk today," or " Skins starting to change in some parts today." sort of thing.

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Technology file

Specifics on technology used we know cybernetics but what?

We think reaper tech from where Sovereign or something else and where was it used in shep and for what purpose?

Did Cerberus include spy ware, track ware, control chip in shep?

Dangers of using reaper tech in shep and EDI will this make shep more hackable friendly to the reapers? Will it cause him to indoctrinate people? ect

What are the Pros for Cerberus in use of reaper tech in shep and EDI?

Why can't Cerberus capitalize on the Lproject is there a reason it can't be used? Sure we blew up the base shep was at but did TIM or Miranda on backup those 2years of priceless data off site? Is there a reason TIM isn't trying to use this on a larger scale?

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Shep file:

We see what Miranda observed and recommended during 2 as she spies on him not just on ship, but on missions, through crew, through email, and all those bugs on ship.


What emails did she not give to shep she was going through them any chance the Alliance asked shep to rejoin and she kept that away from him? ect.


Results of the spy ware and track ware

An explanation why shep was chosen beyond a bloody hero did they choose him to be revived because he had the cipher or was it because he would be a guaranteed lure for the reapers for a yet to be revealed plot by tim?

Number of subjects we were told shep was the only one but with such ground breaking tech was this statement true? Were other humans used or varren or something else to figure out what would work on shep to pre try the method before applying it to the body? Similar to how the kids were used as trials before anything was applied to Jack.

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Team File

Miranda - she was the project overseer what were her duties did any of these duties need to stay hidden from the other members


Wilson - he had a role he died to cover something up (I think) what was his role did he put the chip in Miranda claims isn't there?

Other members who restored the memories and how, who preformed the autopsy, who is the neurologist and pathologist, who is the psychologist.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 04 juillet 2011 - 08:48 .


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I would love to see how my body looked being brought in.

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BioWare can play around with relatively vague terms like mass and dark energy all they want,

hormones, neurons and cells? I am not saying that biology is not scientific uncharted territory to an extent, but you can definitely can not come up with anything that is not extremely vague.

Modifié par Phaedon, 25 juin 2011 - 08:02 .


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Better not.

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I just wish they allow Shepard to reflect on being dead for 2 years and being a quasi-cyborg more than "Oh, I was out for 2 years, let's kick some ass then!".

Pondering on transhumanism is a classic sci-fi cliché they sadly forgot to include.

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^ True, I half wonder Shep didn't have questions; who am I really? What am I? >.<

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I wouldn't want to hear the details. As others have said, it would need to stay vague to be believable. What would be interesting is having the Lazarus Project being brought up in the trail at the beginning of the game, or something to that extent where Shepard's death/reconstruction becomes semi-publicly known.

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Khayness wrote...

I just wish they allow Shepard to reflect on being dead for 2 years and being a quasi-cyborg more than "Oh, I was out for 2 years, let's kick some ass then!".

Pondering on transhumanism is a classic sci-fi cliché they sadly forgot to include.

The only thing that Shepard remembers is black-ing out due to lack of oxygen and then waking up with Miranda yelling 'OMG MECHS ALL OVER THE PLACE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES'. There's not much to ponder about.

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Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

^ True, I half wonder Shep didn't have questions; who am I really? What am I? >.<


Who am I?

I do wish my shepard kinda had some sort of shock at what had happened.

If that happened to me I'd be like :?

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you kind of have to wonder what shep's life expecancy is now. if his vital organs, skeletal structure and circulatory system are all cybernetic, He could easily be immortal.

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Phaedon wrote...

Khayness wrote...

I just wish they allow Shepard to reflect on being dead for 2 years and being a quasi-cyborg more than "Oh, I was out for 2 years, let's kick some ass then!".

Pondering on transhumanism is a classic sci-fi cliché they sadly forgot to include.


The only thing that Shepard remembers is black-ing out due to lack of oxygen and then waking up with Miranda yelling 'OMG MECHS ALL OVER THE PLACE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES'. There's not much to ponder about.


There is more to the game than the tutorial.

Everytime Shepard mentions his/her own death he/she is being a smartass (I got better) or demanding an explanation (I was out for 2 years!), but no deep thoughts.

Joker/Chakwas or hell, Kelly the bloody ship counselor could have used a few lines about this topic.

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Skirata129 wrote...

you kind of have to wonder what shep's life expecancy is now. if his vital organs, skeletal structure and circulatory system are all cybernetic, He could easily be immortal.

Everything degrades at some point.

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Khayness wrote...
There is more to the game than the tutorial.

Everytime Shepard mentions his/her own death he/she is being a smartass (I got better) or demanding an explanation (I was out for 2 years!), but no deep thoughts.

Joker/Chakwas or hell, Kelly the bloody ship counselor could have used a few lines about this topic.

The reactions mostly come from other characters, not Shepard.

I personally think that s/he finds the event not that life-changing.

"So, I remember trying to hold my breath, and then I remember waking up and seeing Wilson and Miranda over my face"

And why should it be after all? Other than Shepard accepting his or her own mortality, that is.

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I imagine Shepard is reaper-ish. A near perfect mix between synthetic and organic biology. I could see him living very long or very short. Nobody knows what the Lazarus technology is capable of, is it a tiny reboot, or a complete enhanced overhaul?

My Shepard just tells himself he was in coma. And it wasn't as bad as Jacob said. He doesn't open the logs during the escape ;-). Ignorance is bliss, right?

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Phaedon wrote...

The reactions mostly come from other characters, not Shepard.

I personally think that s/he finds the event not that life-changing.

"So, I remember trying to hold my breath, and then I remember waking up and seeing Wilson and Miranda over my face"

And why should it be after all? Other than Shepard accepting his or her own mortality, that is.


It has a great storytelling potential, but I guess Deus Ex (hopefully) will have to do.

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Phaedon wrote...

Khayness wrote...

I just wish they allow Shepard to reflect on being dead for 2 years and being a quasi-cyborg more than "Oh, I was out for 2 years, let's kick some ass then!".

Pondering on transhumanism is a classic sci-fi cliché they sadly forgot to include.

The only thing that Shepard remembers is black-ing out due to lack of oxygen and then waking up with Miranda yelling 'OMG MECHS ALL OVER THE PLACE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES'. There's not much to ponder about.


femshep, via the Jacob romance, actually does ponder a bit on this subject.  For her, only a few months have passed but everyone around her moved on for two years.  They've changed.  Liara changes quite a bit in fact.  It's not so much about her being dead, but her being gone and away from friends.  She's stuck in a time warp of sorts, her only recourse is to keep moving forward, hoping she will eventually catch up. 

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Khayness wrote...
It has a great storytelling potential, but I guess Deus Ex (hopefully) will have to do.

If Shepard starts murmuring "I did not ask for this!" in ME3, I'll be holding that against you. :happy:

On a slightly off-topic note, I was left speechless with the "The Anatomy Lesson of Dr. Nicolaes Tulp" referece in the Deus Ex trailer. ME3 could use some surrealism here and there. Easily adds to the depth.

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At the very least it needs to be revealed how the hell the Lazarus Project was even possible. Given the entire technology level we've seen in the entire galaxy for two games, it shouldn't be. Yet it's just handwaved away as little more than "a wizard did it" despite being the greatest medical and technological achievement in the history of mankind. Shepard is the only person to be resurrected since, ostensibly, Jesus Christ, and the only one ever to be resurrected by non-mystical means, and nobody seems to think it's all that big of a deal. "Oh, yeah, it cost a lot, but who cares, you're back! Let's go beat up the Reapers' flunkies!"

If the technology that allowed this to occur isn't explained, to say nothing of the societal ramifications of such a massive advancement, the entirety of Mass Effect 2 will have been rendered a pointless side-trip in the real story of the Reaper invasion. The Lazarus Project better have some significance to the actual war against them or the second game might as well never have happened, because it did absolutely nothing else to advance the story at all.

Personally, I don't see how they can explain this without getting all mystical on us (probably one of the main reasons they chose to forget about it ten minutes after leaving Lazarus Station behind), unless the real Shepard actually did die irretrievably and the current one is an AI of some kind running on an organic version of a quantum bluebox.

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Sable Phoenix wrote...

At the very least it needs to be revealed how the hell the Lazarus Project was even possible. Given the entire technology level we've seen in the entire galaxy for two games, it shouldn't be. Yet it's just handwaved away as little more than "a wizard did it" despite being the greatest medical and technological achievement in the history of mankind. Shepard is the only person to be resurrected since, ostensibly, Jesus Christ, and the only one ever to be resurrected by non-mystical means, and nobody seems to think it's all that big of a deal. "Oh, yeah, it cost a lot, but who cares, you're back! Let's go beat up the Reapers' flunkies!"

No, not at all. Where are you getting at? What technolodgy level? The only thing that we know about medical sciences in ME3 is that nanotechnolodgy plays a vital role in them.

Mystical? Really? Anything that is not fully explained to you is mystical? If BioWare could explain it, even somewhat vaguelly, they would receive a Nobel award.

If the technology that allowed this to occur isn't explained, to say nothing of the societal ramifications of such a massive advancement, the entirety of Mass Effect 2 will have been rendered a pointless side-trip in the real story of the Reaper invasion. The Lazarus Project better have some significance to the actual war against them or the second game might as well never have happened, because it did absolutely nothing else to advance the story at all.

It is funny because you bring up the "It caused trillions of money, but who cares" argument.

Personally, I don't see how they can explain this without getting all mystical on us (probably one of the main reasons they chose to forget about it ten minutes after leaving Lazarus Station behind), unless the real Shepard actually did die irretrievably and the current one is an AI of some kind running on an organic version of a quantum bluebox.

"X scientific discovery is impossible in 2 centuries!"

Modifié par Phaedon, 25 juin 2011 - 08:55 .


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You missed all of my points rather badly.  I... don't even think it would be worth it to take the time to explain how badly.

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I'm no biologist but I've never seen this part of the plot as much of a stretch. We can already recreate some individual organs in real life. Flash forward 170 odd years and with the added bonus of interaction with lots of other advanced species and I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to recreate organic materials to a very specific degree with enough time and resources.

At the same time Sheppard's reaction to being reconstructed seems to be indifference which is rather unbelievable and i agree the social/technological ramifications (especially assuming the process could be refined) are underplayed. 

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Sable Phoenix wrote...

You missed all of my points rather badly.

But you wouldn't care to demonestrate how that is, I assume.

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DCarter wrote...

I'm no biologist but I've never seen this part of the plot as much of a stretch. We can already recreate some individual organs in real life. Flash forward 170 odd years and with the added bonus of interaction with lots of other advanced species and I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to recreate organic materials to a very specific degree with enough time and resources.

That's not the problem, the problem is not restoring the damaged brain cells either, the problem is that for now, we are unaware as to how to "turn the swich back on"

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Phaedon wrote...

DCarter wrote...

I'm no biologist but I've never seen this part of the plot as much of a stretch. We can already recreate some individual organs in real life. Flash forward 170 odd years and with the added bonus of interaction with lots of other advanced species and I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to recreate organic materials to a very specific degree with enough time and resources.

That's not the problem, the problem is not restoring the damaged brain cells either, the problem is that for now, we are unaware as to how to "turn the swich back on"

Electric currents wouldn't work? 

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Good Chaos7 wrote...

I would love to see how my body looked being brought in.

Indeed! Pictures/footage of the first year or so would be easily useable for both gender Sheps.
I'd really like to see it, be quite interesting.