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[Phaedon]

slimgrin wrote...
Art has rules, flexible ones, but they're still there. And I probably should even mention post modernism. A giant can of worms that is.

That is what I did, actually say.

To follow them by the letter, however, harms creativity.

And what exactly, does 'rule' mean? Just because a random person said that I shouldn't have more than one kind of magic, do I need to follow that?

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[Apollo Starflare]

I'd just be happy with seeing some scenes where Shep actually deals with the fact she was dead for two years and brought back via mysterious science magic. I have no problem with the details remaining unknown for the most part, but that sort of experience would get a few reflective scenes in even the dumbest Hollywood blockbuster - why not the generally much more intelligently written ME?

Other than a few scenes here and there Shepard is rarely able to say what is on her mind regarding these serious affecting topics in general actually. I like the chat she has with Jacob for instance.

[Phaedon]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I'd just be happy with seeing some scenes where Shep actually deals with the fact she was dead for two years and brought back via mysterious science magic. I have no problem with the details remaining unknown for the most part, but that sort of experience would get a few reflective scenes in even the dumbest Hollywood blockbuster - why not the generally much more intelligently written ME?

Other than a few scenes here and there Shepard is rarely able to say what is on her mind regarding these serious affecting topics in general actually. I like the chat she has with Jacob for instance.

The lack of introspection is a problem with all ME games, actually, no,it is a problem present in all BioWare games, if not all games in general.

[Buckwheat530]

At this point I'm not really sure what the point of the continued arguing has become? Most of the plot related questions in the OP were already answered either in ME2's intro sequences to a degree that satisfies what is necessary in fiction or was answered in the logs(in text format, as you ask for) in the SB files in LotSB. Such as Wilson; he was an agent of the Shadow Broker who was sent to interfere with the Lazarus project, if I remember correctly.

Phaedon and others have continually stated exactly why the explanation we have already been given is sufficient. There are no plot holes in Mass Effect thus far, just oddities (such as justifying switching from unlimited ammo to ammo clips in a 2 year period, but even that is handled sufficiently. I digress). Nanotechnology has been theorized to do exactly what is done with Shepard. Arguments like "In the 50s, they thought we would have flying cars" really isn't relevant when discussing Science Fiction. There are many different species who have had quite some time to advance their technology well beyond our own at this point in the Mass Effect timeline, and given TIM's resources and unknown connections, NONE of this is hard to believe at all.

If BW feels like including a picture of Shepard pre-reconstruction I wouldn't really care. "You were all meat and tubes when I saw you" from Jacob was enough for me to know that looking at the potential picture probably would be more gruesome than informative. But nothing wrong with that I guess.

Modifié par Buckwheat530, 26 juin 2011 - 07:02 .

[CroGamer002]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

If anyone thinks that bringing people back to life is scientifically impossible, think again.

Anti-aging is a far cry from resurrection.

Resurrecting bacteria is first real scientific step for resurrecting people.

[Colintastic]

I'm pretty sure the counter to indoctrination is just 1. being aware of its attempts and 2. personal force of will.

There doesn't need to be any special method of doing it. For example, if you have a 100% Paragon or Renegade bar you can resist Morinth's mind control techniques. It's a lot like Jedi mind tricks. The weak minded or those who act with any sort of doubt can be turned.

[JamieCOTC]

Anything is possible when super powers (biotics) are fueled by magic rocks (element zero).

That said I hated the resurrection story as it turned a fairly substantial plot point into a flimsy plot device to reboot the series. I honestly don't believe they had any more intentions w/ that plot point beyond allowing the player to recreate and respec Shepard.

[AlanC9]

slimgrin wrote...

There wouldn't be a body, which is why Shepard's rebirth in ME2 is one of the hoakiest plot ideas in gaming.

Did anyone ever actually do any math on that?

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 juin 2011 - 07:13 .

[Iakus]

Phaedon wrote...

And you get this out of where?

If you still think that David from Overlord managed to take over Shepard by controlling his "cybernetic mind", then I wish I never wasted time debating with you in the first place. The point of debate is to hear the other side's arguments and realize where you are wrong.

The eyes are cybernetic, and so is a part of the spinal cord, and presumably some parts of his arms and legs.

I'm sorry you think you "wasted your time".  I for one found it quite enjoyable.  A pity you didn't hear my side and realize where you were wrong 

But in this case, I wasn't even thinking of Overlord.  I was thinking of All the cybernetic enhancements Shepard collects over the course of the games, the ability to ingest poisons (including ryncol) with minimal effect, the ability to carry and use weapons designed for krogan use or be mounted on vehicles, and yes the cybernetics needed to sustain Shepard's "meat and tubes"  Yet there is minimal questioning as to whether Shepard is really Shepard.  Well, here's hoping Adam Jensen takes the whole "cybernetics to save your ilfe" thing a little more seriously.

There's a whole plotline about Wilson bragging about the discovery and deciding to turn intel to the Shadow Broker so that he gets the proper recognition.

Discovered from where?  How?  What was he a specialist in?  Did he learn all this on his own or find the technology elsewhere?  Or was he part of a team?  Or did he steal the information from elsewhere?  Should he have had a pointy hat with stars on it?  At least they explained how they got the Normandy plans.

Not good enough for you, you mean. 
An army would not stop the Reapers, the entire Citadel Fleet managed to do nil.

It was Shepard who gave the solution,and it's Shepard who is the "immovable center".

Recruiting more mindless drones who manage to fail miserably in every single mission and get indoctrinated during is hardly a better investment.

"The solution" was kill Saren while he was a sock puppet for Sovereign.  Any well-trained soldier could do that, if they were there at the time.

What made Shepard unique and vital in ME1 was that he had the Prothean visions (and survived them) and the authority of a Spectre to follow in Saren's footsteps.  The visions are no longer an issue and Shepard lost his Spectreship upon dying.  Upon resurrection Shepard was nothing more than a half-forgotten hero.  So what made this hero worth bringing back as opposed to, say some hero from Shanxi, or someone else who might be more sympathetic to Cerberus?

Because it takes up bi/trillion of credits right now. 

And you are asking why x won't happen 20 years from the end of ME2?

When did ME 16 get released? I'd love to play it.

Note it is a multibillion credit process right now

All new technology is expensive in its infancy.  Having a single black-and-white tv in a household was a big deal once.  What I'm saying is the Lazarus Project has implications.  Implications which can fundamentally shift the course of the Mass Effect universe.  In a way that matches or exceeds the Conduit for the Protheans.  And they are totally ignored and used as a reset button.

What kind of explanation could you possibly expect, I'll never understand.

Let's start with one that takes death seriously and work from there.

[Iakus]

Phaedon wrote...

And what exactly, does 'rule' mean? Just because a random person said that I shouldn't have more than one kind of magic, do I need to follow that?

I have read stories where there are in fact several types of magic that exist side by side.  The difference is, in these worlds, the different types are either a) known to exist or if not, then people comment on how "the rules" seem to be broken at times, and uncovering the "why" of it is actually part of the story.

ME2 doesn't do this.  We have a) mastery of mass and gravity, which everyone knows about and resurrection technology, which is not, but nobody questions it when it comes up.

[Phaedon]

iakus wrote...
I'm sorry you think you "wasted your time".  I for one found it quite enjoyable.  A pity you didn't hear my side and realize where you were wrong 

Well, everyone else is always wrong, of course.

But in this case, I wasn't even thinking of Overlord.  I was thinking of All the cybernetic enhancements Shepard collects over the course of the games, the ability to ingest poisons (including ryncol) with minimal effect, the ability to carry and use weapons designed for krogan use or be mounted on vehicles, and yes the cybernetics needed to sustain Shepard's "meat and tubes"  Yet there is minimal questioning as to whether Shepard is really Shepard.  Well, here's hoping Adam Jensen takes the whole "cybernetics to save your ilfe" thing a little more seriously.

And yet you have yet to prove how that requires any change in Shepard's personality (something which TIM dismissed). As I said, arms, eyes, spinal cord, legs, etc. Heh, even the spinal cord is made 95% from the original one. So if you have a point there, you are certainly not demonstrating it well enough.

Discovered from where?  How?  What was he a specialist in?  Did he learn all this on his own or find the technology elsewhere?  Or was he part of a team?  Or did he steal the information from elsewhere?  Should he have had a pointy hat with stars on it?  At least they explained how they got the Normandy plans.

And again, I repeat:

There's a whole plotline about Wilson bragging about the discovery and deciding to turn intel to the Shadow Broker so that he gets the proper recognition.

Hence he made the breakthrough? And no, it was not stolen. The SB files say that Cerberus uncovered new scientific information during the Lazarus Project, which they then sold for billions.

"The solution" was kill Saren while he was a sock puppet for Sovereign.  Any well-trained soldier could do that, if they were there at the time.

What made Shepard unique and vital in ME1 was that he had the Prothean visions (and survived them) and the authority of a Spectre to follow in Saren's footsteps.  The visions are no longer an issue and Shepard lost his Spectreship upon dying.  Upon resurrection Shepard was nothing more than a half-forgotten hero.  So what made this hero worth bringing back as opposed to, say some hero from Shanxi, or someone else who might be more sympathetic to Cerberus?

Apart from Shepard being targetted by the Reapers, and being the only one to take down a Reaper, quantity doesn't matter. Cerberus wanted Shepard to aninhilate the Collectors and investigate their connection to the Reapers. Why it wouldn't work if it wasn't for Shepard and the rest of the team?

We can learn a lot by the fact that the ship fell into Collector hands within minutes, that's all I can say.

Cerberus wanted a repetition of ME1's events. If Shepard did it once, he could do it again. There is no guarantee that anyone else could replace him.

Note it is a multibillion credit process right now

All new technology is expensive in its infancy.  Having a single black-and-white tv in a household was a big deal once.  What I'm saying is the Lazarus Project has implications.  Implications which can fundamentally shift the course of the Mass Effect universe.  In a way that matches or exceeds the Conduit for the Protheans.  And they are totally ignored and used as a reset button.

You basically say that you want the Lazarus Project becoming cheaper over the next 20 years as a plotpoint? Kay.

Let's start with one that takes death seriously and work from there.

You want a scientific method that resurrects people to respect death?

I know that it's an obvious subject change, so yeah,

how would you want BioWare to explain further the Lazarus Project?

[Phaedon]

iakus wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

And what exactly, does 'rule' mean? Just because a random person said that I shouldn't have more than one kind of magic, do I need to follow that?

I have read stories where there are in fact several types of magic that exist side by side.  The difference is, in these worlds, the different types are either a) known to exist or if not, then people comment on how "the rules" seem to be broken at times, and uncovering the "why" of it is actually part of the story.

ME2 doesn't do this.  We have a) mastery of mass and gravity, which everyone knows about and resurrection technology, which is not, but nobody questions it when it comes up.

Except that the hole in your logic starts from the fact that the use of resurection technolodgy is not a major plot point in ME2. The breakthrough that allowed people to be resurrected was.

EDIT: So, in a prequel in which humanity discovers eezo, would you want an insane build-up of people wondering how a theoretical eezo would work? 

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juin 2011 - 07:30 .

[Frybread76]

The Lazarus Project was just a tool to reset Shepard's character level to 1 and to allow you to pick a new class.

[Repzik]

The problem with Sable Phoenix's argument (besides the gloriously ironic name) is that he fails to see that the limit for the suspension of belief is all in his opinion. Why is the Lazarus Project unbelievable? Because he wants it to be.

Sure, the project was a completely unexpected and unpredictable move by Bioware, but its not a plot hole.

[JamieCOTC]

Frybread76 wrote...

The Lazarus Project was just a tool to reset Shepard's character level to 1 and to allow you to pick a new class.

While the Lazarus Project is fun to dissect, it has no more meaning beyond this. 

[slimgrin]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

The Lazarus Project was just a tool to reset Shepard's character level to 1 and to allow you to pick a new class.

While the Lazarus Project is fun to dissect, it has no more meaning beyond this. 

Unfortunate but true. 

[Phaedon]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

The Lazarus Project was just a tool to reset Shepard's character level to 1 and to allow you to pick a new class.

While the Lazarus Project is fun to dissect, it has no more meaning beyond this. 

Not really. The point of the Lazarus Project is a plot device which sends Shepard over TIM and Cerberus. It's a plot device after all.

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 juin 2011 - 08:10 .

[Pedro Costa]

Oh how I love Lazarus-centric topics!
As long as the skull remains intact, it only takes "reactivating" the brain - sure, it's A FREAKING LOT harder to do than simply say it... but hey, it's the future, and it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief any more than FTL travel or giant sentient starships that need chemical compounds that are aplenty around the universe but somehow must come from organic space-faring sentient species to make more of themselves.

For Shep's body deterioration - really, in a universe where genetic engineering is standard procedure to the point that with enough credits you can create something like Miranda, I don't see how it's not possible to re-create and re-attach/replace damaged areas of Shep's body. Further, in a world where you slap some gel and you're good to go, tissue regeneration also isn't that far off...
Shep's cybernetics don't seem that extensive either - you see subdermal implants for whatever reason, they could even be due to nanomachinery still active while repairing shep's face and very few others during the Lazarus intro.
I honestly don't see what all the fuss about the cybernetics are - every single person in the Mass Effect universe is a cyborg, wether due to biotic amps or simple things like universal translators. Shep only seems to have a few more because its body was essentially rebuilt from scratch and is still in the process of being completed - remember also Miranda had to wake Shepard up prematurely.

I think Lazarus was badly handled altogether - from Shep dying to not being able to make many more pertinent questions about this resurrection, but the way some posters behave it feels like nothing BioWare would tell would be enough for them. So, for those, I suggest you move on and just assume Shep was in such a deep coma that Cerberus, being the idiots they sometimes are, couldn't tell the difference.

And I was watching the Lazarus intro vid from ME2 - At circa the 20 sec mark you can see Shepard's body as it was recovered and Shepard's brain case is imaculate. It's the rest of the body that's heavily damaged.

One last thing - Cerberus follows no one's rules, like the ones currently in existence for genetic treatments/experimentation/whatnot, it shouldn't be any wonder their medical knowledge to be more advanced given those circumstances.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

@Phaedon (and selected others):  I'm going to have to assume that your English comprehension is simply not up to the level of a native speaker, since you seem to think I'm saying the exact opposite of what I'm actually saying in several instances. In that case, I'm sorry I wasn't able to make myself understood. If, on the other hand, your comprehension is fine, then I have to assume that you know nothing about writing or storytelling and don't care to learn. Either way, any further effort on my part will obviously be wasted.

Sable Phoenix I know you seemed trapped going in circles with Phaedon but please don't deem to know someone else's intelligent level. You've made very clear your view on the matter and he's making his. I think you've done all you can to help him understand your pov if he keeps it up just move on he clearly doesn't value the same info we would like.

At everybody the issue for the Lprojects are stemming from multiple angles of writing, of religion, of personal beliefs, and of cold hard facts people die they don't come back is a fact of life. Respect these views when considering how to respond to views you may not agree with.


There is one more example in game I can give I just stared Me again and just did the mission where you find an empty vessel on board you find a man brain dead he is on life support his girlfriend is distraught she is the only one alive on the ship and going insane about how she can bring her boyfriend back into a normal state. If the tech was available back then to bring back the dead or fix his brain w/ tech or neural reconstruction shep, or the crew doctor would've said so instead they say, " He's brain dead an empty shell," and " there is nothing we can do for him". So if they had the tech back then their on board doctor sucked and was not up to date on the latest medical news or they didn't have that tech so if they suddenly make this tech up for 2 it's more then notable its incredible and would've been everywhere if it was so common.

Another point to death is permanent is in ME2 on Cerberus daily you hear a story of a girl rescuing her family from sure death when engines fail on their ship. She gets out fixes the engine but dies of space exposure when her suit gets ruptured her family left her body inspace if she could've been saved donations would've been given to resurrect this hero back.


Also it's worth mentioning:

My theory, probably not an original theory: The Lazarus Project is a modified form of husk-making. TIM, Wilson and Miranda adapted it to resurrect Shepard, and because of some unrevealed aspect of the technology (a control chip that actually keeps Indoctrination at bay or something) Shepard has free will. Perhaps Shepard has a unique immunity to Indoctrination BECAUSE of the Lazarus Project, and the process only works on a corpse who is then revived through cybernetics and all sorts of stem cell magic medicine.

This is a good start on suggestions for BW. If this indeed was the truth the files should bear this in the tech files it should state: Through close study of the Huskification beacon found on plant X we discovered cells can be revived and electrified, we've begun testing it with cybernetically infused varren corpses if successful we will use this in project L.

A good start an explanation like this goes a long way to helping those who wish to know it how the project produced the end result.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 26 juin 2011 - 08:26 .

[Pedro Costa]

There is one more example in game I can give I just stared Me again and just did the mission where you find an empty vessel on board you find a man brain dead he is on life support his girlfriend is distraught she is the only one alive on the ship and going insane about how she can bring her boyfriend back into a normal state. If the tech was available back then to bring back the dead or fix his brain w/ tech or neural reconstruction shep, or the crew doctor would've said so instead they say, " He's brain dead an empty shell," and " there is nothing we can do for him". So if they had the tech back then their on board doctor sucked and was not up to date on the latest medical news or they didn't have that tech so if they suddenly make this tech up for 2 it's more then notable its incredible and would've been everywhere if it was so common.

That carries the assumption that everyone has access to that level of tech.
The money and minds poured into Lazarus was exceptional, such is reiterated ad nauseum during the game: it isn't a round-about procedure.

I think the problem here is actually perception: how far one can believe that Cerberus, having virtually infinite resources and bound by no ethics nor rules can progress in the department of medical research. For me, that's entirely possible - in fact, modern day's technological level is behind its possibilities because of restrictions - be those market (computer tech can't progress too quickly because otherwise there wouldn't be any profit) or ethical (stem cell research, cloning, etc).

[Iakus]

Phaedon wrote...

And yet you have yet to prove how that requires any change in Shepard's personality (something which TIM dismissed). As I said, arms, eyes, spinal cord, legs, etc. Heh, even the spinal cord is made 95% from the original one. So if you have a point there, you are certainly not demonstrating it well enough.

The point isn't that Shepard's personality should necessarilly change.  The point is that people's view of him should change.  The point is the cybernetics aren't important.  Shepard dying isn't important.  Hardly anyone comments about his/her death.  Nobody notices the glowing red eyes.  No one wonders how Shepard's reacting to being dead/near death experience or having major reconstructive surgery of his/her innards.  Nobody wonders about Shepard's humanity.  Not even Shepard.  Ash is the only one I can recall who wonders if Shepard's being controlled by Cerberus.  Death, even near death, should be a Big Deal.  Lifesaving cybernetic upgrades should be a Big Deal.

 Death was used as an excuse for Shep to take a 2 year vacation.  And it was treated as such by most of the cast. Shepard's Sole survivor background had more effect on how people viewed Shep in ME1 than death in ME2.  Not cool.

And again, I repeat:

There's a whole plotline about Wilson bragging about the discovery and deciding to turn intel to the Shadow Broker so that he gets the proper recognition.

Hence he made the breakthrough? And no, it was not stolen. The SB files say that Cerberus uncovered new scientific information during the Lazarus Project, which they then sold for billions.

Plotline?  What plotline?  The recordings only say the project went way over budget but Wilson was "confident" Shep could be revived.  The SB dossiers only say Wilson was a Shadow Broker agent.  Nothing says where teh Lazarus tech came from or who developed it.

Apart from Shepard being targetted by the Reapers, and being the only one to take down a Reaper, quantity doesn't matter. Cerberus wanted Shepard to aninhilate the Collectors and investigate their connection to the Reapers. Why it wouldn't work if it wasn't for Shepard and the rest of the team?

We can learn a lot by the fact that the ship fell into Collector hands within minutes, that's all I can say.

Cerberus wanted a repetition of ME1's events. If Shepard did it once, he could do it again. There is no guarantee that anyone else could replace him.

There's no guarantee Shepard could do it either.  Everything that made Shepard "unique" or "special" was gone in ME2.  Shepard was still exceptional, yes.  But not unique.  There are plenty of still living exceptional individuals.

The Collectors were after anything having anything remotely to do with Shepard, including old acquaintances.  Cerberus could have saved several billion credits luring the Collector Ship into a trap doing a "Weekend at Bernie's" style trick with the corpse.  

You basically say that you want the Lazarus Project becoming cheaper over the next 20 years as a plotpoint? Kay

No I say I want the Lazarus Project existing at all to have implications for the future.  As it is, despite the huge timeline which the universe works with, it takes place in a vacuum.  The Lazarus Project says that immortality can exist for humans.  You die, you have the procedure, you come back "exactly" as before.  As far as we know, it can be done over and over and over.  It's hideously expensive right now, yes.  But it exists.  It will be (re)discovered.  It will be worked on, perfected, made more cost effective.  The genie will be out of the bottle.  20 years was just an arbitrary number I tossed out. 

You want a scientific method that resurrects people to respect death?

I know that it's an obvious subject change, so yeah,

how would you want BioWare to explain further the Lazarus Project?

I said I want an explanation that takes death seriously.  It does not have to be a serious scientific explanation.
I have no specifics, just certain criteria:

I want a clear explanation as to why Shepard was so special .  Possible examples:  

The Cipher may still be of use.  

Shep is the only human to survive an encounter with a beacon.  Cerberus has had many "casualties" in trying to reproduce that feat, as the Protheans may have left more information behind (we know the SB was looking into Prothean tech after all)

Shepard knows (or Cerberus thinks Shepard knows) some crucial piece of information about the Reapers

I want to know at least a psuedoscientific answer to what the Lazarus Project does.  Possibilities:

Artificial cellular regeneration based on krogan and vorcha cells, combined with cybernetic enhancements.

Possibly combined with microscopic surgery using extremely small ME fields to repair damage at a molecular level.  

Damaged memories are restored via experimental "restore point"  brain surgery which downloads information from brain tissues, repairs "damaged" sectors (possibly replacing hopelessly lost portions), and reuploads them once the damaged sections of the brain are repaired.  

(Would make for a cool scene where he has to be convinced that all his memories are "accurate" as far as anyone can tell.  Plus the fact that someone has been rooting around in his head to begin with.)

I want to know why the Lazarus Project cannot, at some point, be mass-produced.

 Incredibly rare materials are needed.  

It was done with Reaper technology that no one really understands, and may not understand for centuries to come.  

Shepard was not the only recipient of this treatment, just the only one it worked on.

[Iakus]

Phaedon wrote...

Except that the hole in your logic starts from the fact that the use of resurection technolodgy is not a major plot point in ME2. The breakthrough that allowed people to be resurrected was.

I'd argue that Shepard waking up in a Cerberus facility after being dead for two years was rather important to the plot 

EDIT: So, in a prequel in which humanity discovers eezo, would you want an insane build-up of people wondering how a theoretical eezo would work? 

As long as it stayed consistent with what eezo can do now, I wouldn't care.  Just don't start letting it give people mind reading capabilities, prophetic visions, time travel, or other weirdness.

"Create your rules.  Then follow them"

[Colintastic]

iakus wrote...



I want to know why the Lazarus Project cannot, at some point, be mass-produced.

 Incredibly rare materials are needed.  

It was done with Reaper technology that no one really understands, and may not understand for centuries to come.  

Shepard was not the only recipient of this treatment, just the only one it worked on.

1. it takes many years
2. it's prohibatively expensive. While nobody baulked at the cost of building the Normandy SR-2, Miranda questions the level of spending on Shep. This suggests the lazarus project costs substantially more than a top of the line, prototype warship.

potentially in the future beyond ME2 time frame it will become something that is more available to the fabolously wealthy. There is no reason why it can't necessarily become a normal thing. It's just new to people as of ME2.

[Colintastic]

the "why shepherd" question is real easy to answer. He's a known quantity. For example, to use a football analogy, if the Indianapolis Colts put Peyton Manning up to trade right now for the first pick in the draft, I tell ya 100% of the time, teams will take that trade. You take a guy in his prime who has already won a super bowl over a guy who has potential any day.

Shep has:
1. Already killed 1 Reaper (he vanquished it's core, leaving it's body rubble to be torn apart by the fleet)
2. He's got an unmatchable charisma, such that he can command the respect of the best in the galaxy and have them not question his every order.
3. He's wiling to fight for his goals to the end and never give up

This may be a weird analogy, but imagine for a moment you could go back to 1938 and take Hitler's place. Even knowing exactly what he did, knowing how history went and worked, I would put all of my worldly possessions on you personally being unable to recreate the same events in history. Some people are just better suited to accomplish certain things. Shepherd is one of those people.

[Destroy Raiden_]

iakus good add ons to the list of suggestions. I've added them to the 1st page.