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[Scarlett Siren]

Hey Everyone

Just curious, and i did try googling this but i couldnt find it...but what does God Mode do? lol. Also, I did some cheats on NWN'1  Like level up and godmode (im a level 40...I know its bad I cheated but i wouldnt play online with others cheating, just for my own amusment in game) But the ground is green? Like highlighted green in some spots. How come? Is there a way to fix this? Thanks

[ehye_khandee]

The 'highlights' you see may be 'triggers' used in game to cause entering objects to start a process.

Just a guess tho.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[Karvon]

To enter console commands, you first have to turn on the debug feature by setting DebugMode 1. when debug mode is ON, you can see all the triggers in the game. The dm_god makes your PC invulnerable, they will never ever die. To no longer see the triggers you need to turn off debug mode by entering DebugMode 0. That will make the triggers invisible once more, and whatever other console commands you entered will be retained, as I recall, until reversed or removed.

Karvon

[Scarlett Siren]

That clears it up! Thank you

[Kail Pendragon]

Scarlett Siren wrote...

Hey Everyone

Just curious, and i did try googling this but i couldnt find it...but what does God Mode do? lol. Also, I did some cheats on NWN'1  Like level up and godmode (im a level 40...I know its bad I cheated...

You are mistaken, you did not cheat.

[Shadooow]

Kail Pendragon wrote...

Scarlett Siren wrote...

Hey Everyone

Just curious, and i did try googling this but i couldnt find it...but what does God Mode do? lol. Also, I did some cheats on NWN'1  Like level up and godmode (im a level 40...I know its bad I cheated...

You are mistaken, you did not cheat.

Kail is right, this game is supposed to play with god mode so you dont cheat. Why would bioware implemented all these console commands, if they don't meant player to use them afterall?

Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[jmlzemaggo]

 I don't think console commands are made for players in the first place. The good thing is seeing many Bioware authors are also players it seems... A gift to us. Player to player. Cheater to cheater. 

[NWN DM]

Here we go again....

[Kail Pendragon]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

Kail Pendragon wrote...

Scarlett Siren wrote...

Hey Everyone

Just curious, and i did try googling this but i couldnt find it...but what does God Mode do? lol. Also, I did some cheats on NWN'1  Like level up and godmode (im a level 40...I know its bad I cheated...

You are mistaken, you did not cheat.

Kail is right, this game is supposed to play with god mode so you dont cheat.

Another clear example of your unintelligence of what is being said. Read again, maybe you'll be more lucky next time with your wild guesses at what is the meaning of a sentence.

Why would bioware implemented all these console commands, if they don't meant player to use them afterall?

Even if they didn't implement them at all or if they didn' tintend the player to use them, there would be no cheating in SP, period. Leto or hacking the game or whatever in SP is not cheating by definition. But that is clear to all those who have an understanding of what cheating means and who can make or follow a logical argument.

[jmlzemaggo]

Youth would be an ideal state if it came a little later in life. (Herbert Henry Asquith)

[Skildron]

Kail Pendragon wrote...
Even if they didn't implement them at all or if they didn' tintend the player to use them, there would be no cheating in SP, period. Leto or hacking the game or whatever in SP is not cheating by definition. But that is clear to all those who have an understanding of what cheating means and who can make or follow a logical argument.

Well, you are cheating yourself, aren't you? You are cheating yourself out of a situation someone who set the rules for his module meant to be difficult.

Do you know the "Kobayashi Maru" test? It is intended to fail, and finding a solution is cheating - even if the only one who ever found a solution was honored for 'creative thinking'.

So you don't cheat anyone else, if that is the definition of cheating. At least myself, I feel it is cheating using dm_god consle command because I cheat myself. To use the path of least resistance is not always desirable - not even in playing games. But that is of course for everyone his own decision to make.

Now, go on and prove me wrong if you feel like it. :innocent:
Greetings
Skildron

[Kail Pendragon]

You cannot cheat yourself, but in figures of speech where "to cheat" means "to deprive" as in to deprive oneself of a higher level of enjoyment.

Kobayashi Maru has no bearing nor relevance to the impossibility to cheat in SP.

Finally, there's nothing left to prove. The definition of cheating makes it evident one cannot cheat in SP. Prove yourself the opposite, without resorting to trivial figures of speech and irrelevant and unrelated scenarios. I know you cannot, so I don't expect any sensed answer from you, nor from anyone else.

[SHOVA]

Skildron wrote...

Kail Pendragon wrote...
Even if they didn't implement them at all or if they didn' tintend the player to use them, there would be no cheating in SP, period. Leto or hacking the game or whatever in SP is not cheating by definition. But that is clear to all those who have an understanding of what cheating means and who can make or follow a logical argument.

Well, you are cheating yourself, aren't you? You are cheating yourself out of a situation someone who set the rules for his module meant to be difficult.

Do you know the "Kobayashi Maru" test? It is intended to fail, and finding a solution is cheating - even if the only one who ever found a solution was honored for 'creative thinking'.

So you don't cheat anyone else, if that is the definition of cheating. At least myself, I feel it is cheating using dm_god consle command because I cheat myself. To use the path of least resistance is not always desirable - not even in playing games. But that is of course for everyone his own decision to make.

Now, go on and prove me wrong if you feel like it. :innocent:
Greetings
Skildron

While the above may be true in certain games, In NWN, a game that can be tailored to whatever play style the player wants, there is no cheating. If a player wants to have everything spawned in at the typing of console command, then they can. If a player wants to slog it out and possibly die and take huge XP and gold hits, they can. Thats the beauty of NWN. Do not diminish it by saying someone cheats because you do not agree with their play style. Are they asking you to play with them? Do they require you to play their way? the answer is, No, So do not impose on their Play, with "your doing it wrong". Its rude, and its already been hashed out several times before. If you don't agree, then as mom said, if you can't say something nice, shut yer trap.  

[Kail Pendragon]

Are they claiming that they did vanquish Mephistopheles with a 1st lvl character without mentioning they hacked it, thus making you believe they have been playing by a commonly defined set of rules (let's say vanilla game, no console commands, no leto, no overrides, no out of the module equipment etc.) while instead they have violated them?

[_Guile]

The best way to cheat offline is to open up a good module with some great items in it and give them to your character, save your character and then start the module you wish to cheat in.

There is really no reason to make your character illegal when, if you have the correct item properties on an item, you can more or less cheat without modifying your character.

You can download my new module Uberlicious, which will not only allow you to cheat legally, but it will also tell you how to cheat using the Console, if that is your desire.  This module can also make caster extremely god like applying massive amounts of bonus spell slots to their Skin/Hide.

Sometimes I have to make a character which are pretty uber to test with, as it saves me time having to kill monsters I really don't wish to fight, one hit kills with weapons that are insanely uber can be quite fun vs loading the DM client and using the DM Kill button.  Besides, you cannot always properly test everything with a DM Toon.  Therefore I use Uberlicious to make uber toons which are purely for testing purposes or just goofing around offline.

Not really cheating in my book.  Cheating is when you are on a server that is NOT your own and you do things which you are not suppose to do, intentionally, to gain gold / items, or overcome a situation. (won't go into that)

Modifié par _Guile, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Shadooow]

all ways are legal, there is nothing wrong in doing that nobody said otherwise in tho whole discussion about this

[SHOVA]

Again ya can't cheat in a game you can tailor make to your style. Its impossible. You can however cheat if you log into another persons game, and Do something that give an advantage that they did not set to allow. That is the only way to cheat in NWN.

[_Guile]

SHOVA wrote...

Again ya can't cheat in a game you can tailor make to your style. Its impossible. You can however cheat if you log into another persons game, and Do something that give an advantage that they did not set to allow. That is the only way to cheat in NWN.

Pretty much...

[WebShaman]

Well, it certainly is refreshing to see that finally, slowly, peeps are beginning to understand that there is no cheating in a Closed SP Environment!

Bravo!

[Skildron]

It's probably my lack of understanding of English language, that leads me to a wrong definition of the term "cheating". I do not want to impost my playing style on anyone else, that would be a misunderstanding. But when downloading a module and starting to play, I myself submit to the ruleset someone defined with his or her work and contribution to the community. Disobeying those rules is, in lack of a better word, cheating to me. Of course, it may be necessary to solve a situation a cannot overcome or survive otherwise, but still...

Perhaps someone out there who goes strong against the "cheating" accusation can explain to me what they feel about things like I described in the previous sentence or what they call it.

And by the way:

SHOVA wrote
shut yer trap.

Now, that was rude, don't you think?

Greetings
Skildron

Modifié par Skildron, 15 septembre 2011 - 07:43 .

[Shadooow]

WebShaman wrote...

Well, it certainly is refreshing to see that finally, slowly, peeps are beginning to understand that there is no cheating in a Closed SP Environment!

Bravo!

Dont think so, rather they dont want to get their hands dirty with Kail or you. Sorry but you(now speaking to whole camp of "no cheating in SP") are just like copy machine. You just keep repeating "impossible", "cannot cheat in SP". While opposite side trying to point different situations, you dont have in your repertoar anything else then repeating. You also rely on same unknown fact or proof that is too clear that you dont have to bring it and explain it.

[Skildron]

Kail Pendragon wrote...

You cannot cheat yourself, but in figures of speech where "to cheat" means "to deprive" as in to deprive oneself of a higher level of enjoyment.

As stated before, perhaps the definition of "to cheat" escapes me at this point - to deprive seems to meet better what I meant. But with dm_god() you are using means of play not meant for players to use on an everyday basis - not even in single player, aren't you?

Kobayashi Maru has no bearing nor relevance to the impossibility to cheat in SP.

Kobayashi Maru is a test of character, not of inventiveness. And I feel every game I play as the same way - do I have it in me to get to a solution abiding by the rules the module designer set and can I admit being defeated? Of course, YMMV.

By the way, I just replay the Aielund Saga because I wanted to try out your concept of a melee mage - thanks for sharing that. At the end of chapter one, I needed several retries to survive the final fight. I could have done it the easy way and play in DebugMode or reload a save game and try a different approach. I like it better to solve problems without god like abilities - again, YMMV

Finally, there's nothing left to prove. The definition of cheating makes it evident one cannot cheat in SP. Prove yourself the opposite, without resorting to trivial figures of speech and irrelevant and unrelated scenarios. I know you cannot, so I don't expect any sensed answer from you, nor from anyone else.

So what is the definition of cheating? Bear in mind that I am no native speaker. In German, the possible translations for "to cheat" go from "schummeln, mogeln" to "betrügen" - which is a very broad selection of possible meanings and connotations, from trying to win a game with a little unfair means up to something that will lead you to court and to Jail.

Please, help my understanding - then perhaps reason of this discussion will become more clear to me.

Greetings
Skildron

Modifié par Skildron, 15 septembre 2011 - 09:11 .

[Kail Pendragon]

ShaDoOoW wrote...

WebShaman wrote...

Well, it certainly is refreshing to see that finally, slowly, peeps are beginning to understand that there is no cheating in a Closed SP Environment!

Bravo!

Dont think so, rather they dont want to get their hands dirty with Kail or you.

An dyou know this because you can read other people's minds, right?

Sorry but you(now speaking to whole camp of "no cheating in SP") are just like copy machine.

Of course, since the "argument" is pretty much trivial and straightforward. You know, if we were talking of mathematical proofs we would look like copy machines too.

You just keep repeating "impossible", "cannot cheat in SP". While opposite side trying to point different situations, you dont have in your repertoar anything else then repeating. You also rely on same unknown fact or proof that is too clear that you dont have to bring it and explain it.

It has been explained already, more than once in the past. All that is needed is contained in the meaning of cheating (which may be an unknow fact to you or lightfoot who has given up educating himself a long time ago, by his own words and which is an issue easily resolved by consulting a dictionary) in ordinary english and a trivial logical process will reveal the impossibility to cheat in SP. Now,, do your homework yourself instead of asking others to make it for you. You've got all the clues you need and some more.

[Kail Pendragon]

Skildron wrote...

Kail Pendragon wrote...

You cannot cheat yourself, but in figures of speech where "to cheat" means "to deprive" as in to deprive oneself of a higher level of enjoyment.

As stated before, perhaps the definition of "to cheat" escapes me at this point - to deprive seems to meet better what I meant. But with dm_god() you are using means of play not meant for players to use on an everyday basis - not even in single player, aren't you?

Whether it was mean or not is irrelevant. Anyone else (and their intentions, desires, ideas,, etc.) but the single player has no relevance in SP. The single player can decide to play the way he wants, be that according to the module designers intentions or against them or just outside of them. There are simply no rules, there's just a player playing how he wishes. An author releases a module for public use and what a player does with it (unless we are talking taking credit/stealing it etc.) is really no concern of his.

Kobayashi Maru has no bearing nor relevance to the impossibility to cheat in SP.

Kobayashi Maru is a test of character, not of inventiveness. And I feel every game I play as the same way - do I have it in me to get to a solution abiding by the rules the module designer set and can I admit being defeated? Of course, YMMV.

I know about kobayashi maru and it has no pertinence to the impossibility to cheat in SP. Kobayashi maru is a test done by someone to someone else; more than one party is involved.

The fact you want to play a module the way it was intended by the module author is fine and dandy. It is your preference and you have all the rights to do so. And generally speaking, it' s IMO the "best" way to play a module (we should define best here, but I guess you get what I mean). Now, if someone else has different preferences and chooses to play that module by using console commands, dropping in gear, letoing his character, alterin gthe module or whatever else he' snot cheating but just playing his game same as you play yours. OF course the two of you are playing different games and you won't probably be able to compare your experience.

By the way, I just replay the Aielund Saga because I wanted to try out your concept of a melee mage - thanks for sharing that. At the end of chapter one, I needed several retries to survive the final fight. I could have done it the easy way and play in DebugMode or reload a save game and try a different approach. I like it better to solve problems without god like abilities - again, YMMV

You misunderstand my defense of the fact one cannot cheat in SP with me thinking that it is "cool" to use console/leto/whatever to "beat" a module. I'm pretty much on your same boat about my personal attitude towards modules. Do I think they are, as they say, "cheating themselves out of fun"? Yes I do. But that's a matter of opinion about the practice to make the game easier, while the impossibility to cheat in SP is about facts.

Finally, there's nothing left to prove. The definition of cheating makes it evident one cannot cheat in SP. Prove yourself the opposite, without resorting to trivial figures of speech and irrelevant and unrelated scenarios. I know you cannot, so I don't expect any sensed answer from you, nor from anyone else.

So what is the definition of cheating? Bear in mind that I am no native speaker. In German, the possible translations for "to cheat" go from "schummeln, mogeln" to "betrügen" - which is a very broad selection of possible meanings and connotations, from trying to win a game with a little unfair means up to something that will lead you to court and to Jail.

Please, help my understanding - then perhaps reason of this discussion will become more clear to me.

Greetings
Skildron

Cheat as reported by the online MErriam Webster dictionary, for ease of reference. To cheat/cheating is not simply breaking the rules, it implies deception and fraud. You make/let someone believe you are playing by an agreed set of rules, while you are violating them for your personal advantage: you can cheat at poker, you can cheat on your wife, you can cheat in any kind of competition (say, you are taking drugs to augment your physical performance). The moment someone else is involved, for example by comparing results (say, the time to cross the english channel swimming) or by simply having them believe you did something abiding to some rules you did not actually follow, then cheating is possible because deceipt is possible. If only one subject is involved, no deceipt is possible, no fraud is possible... unless said subject has serious psychiatric issues.

[WebShaman]

It's probably my lack of understanding of English language, that leads me to a wrong definition of the term "cheating". I do not want to impost my playing style on anyone else, that would be a misunderstanding. But when downloading a module and starting to play, I myself submit to the ruleset someone defined with his or her work and contribution to the community. Disobeying those rules is, in lack of a better word, cheating to me. Of course, it may be necessary to solve a situation a cannot overcome or survive otherwise, but still...

Perhaps someone out there who goes strong against the "cheating" accusation can explain to me what they feel about things like I described in the previous sentence or what they call it.

It basically boils down to this : you have downloaded/created/purchased/whatever a NWN mod for Closed SP Play. Meaning that you (and only you) are going to be playing it. It also means that you are not going to be comparing results of that Mod with anyone else.

Definition of a Closed SP Environment.

In essence, you are playing it alone for your enjoyment.

As such, only you are creating the rules that you abide by. If you choose to abide by pre-defined rules (such as those that the Mod Dev/Creator/Maker/Builder/Whatever have suggested - you will note that this is just a suggestion), well, those are the current rules that you are playing by.

But note the following, please - the moment you deviate from those rules, you are indeed now creating new rules in place of the old rules! This is because you yourself are acting as the highest authority in your Closed SP Environment (nobody is enforcing any other ruleset for you to play by but yourself). Since this is so, there can be absolutely no cheating here, as you cannot cheat on yourself (exception : you have multiple personalities).

Now we approach your opinion that others who deviate from how you play, and how you view things are cheating.

How is it that you are somehow the ultimate authority here in someone's Closed SP Environment?

You need to explain this. How can you state that how someone else plays their Mod in a Closed SP Environment is a cheater? After all, they are playing by THEIR OWN RULES! Not your rules, not some pre-defined rules that you have agreed to. Consider also, that they are the ultimate authority in their Closed SP Environment and that you do not figure into this.

How can you then label them as cheaters? Define who is being cheated on, please.

As for you, ShaDoOoW - stop trolling me. You were ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE THREAD WHERE I OFFERED MY PROOF; AND YOU FAILED TO DISPROVE IT OR OFFER A COUNTERPROOF!!!! I find it absolutely false and downright lowly of you to do what you are doing here.

You know damn well that you participated in that thread! You also know that I posted a proof in that thread, and even you admitted due to it that there was no cheating in a Closed SP Environment! All you had to offer in way of denial was that you did not think that a Closed SP Environement was possible.

You disappoint me utterly. I did not think you would sink that low. Lying and deceit, where one can easily expose it...*shakes head sadly* What in the hell were you thinking?

Do you really want me to dig up that thread, and expose you?

I think the least you can do is offer a full apology to all here, and gracefully bow out. Otherwise, I am going to dig up that thread and expose you. And after that, I will not accept anything more from you.

In other words, you now have the chance to correct your misdeeds before the factual evidence gets presented.