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[The Baconer]

Was anyone else disappointed that Slam, a power that implies absolute brutality, actually turned out to be weak and kind of spammy? If Slam makes a return I think it needs a massive damage buff, but with an accompanying casting speed and cooldown nerf. Make it the biotic user's finisher.

As an example, I think it should be like the first half of Ermac's X-ray, in all it's spine-shattering glory.

[TheKillerAngel]

Slam, applied in combination with another biotic skill, turns your enemies into bouncy balls.

[An Irate Hobo]

I really want to smash them into the ceiling and then slam them into the ground with EPIC force!! The floor cracked beneath them to show the massive damage that it achieves!!!

[The Baconer]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Slam, applied in combination with another biotic skill, turns your enemies into bouncy balls.

You'd still be able to use it in combination with other powers. Perhaps you could use their now-disabled bodies as makeshift projectiles? I dunno, I don't want to get too left field but maybe it's possible.

[shadowreflexion]

The Baconer wrote...

Was anyone else disappointed that Slam, a power that implies absolute brutality, actually turned out to be weak and kind of spammy? If Slam makes a return I think it needs a massive damage buff, but with an accompanying casting speed and cooldown nerf. Make it the biotic user's finisher.

As an example, I think it should be like the first half of Ermac's X-ray, in all it's spine-shattering glory.

While I agree that "slam" could use more finesse, I don't want to see it turned into some kind of Sith force power. Like a few have said, combining it with other biotics does make for some funny animations. But to answer the general question. It can be improved to appear to signify brutality but how would they do that without showing the power in bullet time each time it's used? And the cooldown on it would be horrendous if done that way. I would think that if slam evolves, maybe it could be made to include multiple opponents. Like you would lift two people into the air, slam them into each other and then bring them down with force raising the damage that it does. That animation would be awesome.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 25 juin 2011 - 09:36 .

[SAE100]

Slam needs to break the legs of LOKI-mechs. Throw and Shockwave do that already why not slam. Besides that a little love for al those physical biotics (throw, shockwave, slam) would be nice.

[Ahglock]

The non stun version should hit for insane damage IMO. Heavy Incinerate does 210 has a small AoE and is effective against armor. As a single target attack that knocks you down its damage should be more like shadow strike damage.

[Hathur]

I played my Engineer with heavy slam on insanity and found it extremely useful (was more help than cryoblast... Slam is instant and cryoblast has a slow moving projectile.. plus needs 1-2 secs for the freeze to take effect once it hits... too long / slow).

Slam was a magnificent control skill for me... recharge was very was (well under 3 seconds once u got the various upgrades to biotics)... and it allowed me to jump quickly with almost no delay between deploying a fresh drone, slamming, etc.

For a tough target (i.e. krogan)... Slam 'em - then hurl incinerate while they're coming down or on the ground... was a powerful finishing maneuver.

With some practice, you can slam 'em and and then riddle them with gunfire while they're up in the air for outstanding damage.... or, better yet.. bring a sniper (garrus) and give a standard attack order while the target is up in the air.... Garrus with a sniper rifle will 1 shot almost enemy that's in the air like that and he almost never misses.

[Adhin]

Husks auto-die vs any power, lift or push. It rips there torso off there legs. It's not even an dmg thing with them its just how they work, Slam rips them apart - they're dead before it does the slam part.

As for what the skill is I agree, throw, ultimately, does more damage as it does dmg on direct 'impact' and then they can fly a good distance and hit other stuff building up that speed to the wall. Slam doesn't give them time too or do it with enough force. While them bouncing can look brutal, and the way its described sounds brutal, the effect is pretty weak in actual practice.

Still love it though!

[Repearized Miranda]

Slam isn't bad by itself, but the emphasis for all the "rich/poor man" powers was squad combinations. Even on Insanity with Heavy signature powers, you still had to do them in combination for optimal effect! (Albeit, multple times) (Heck, it's encouraged in the tutorial - not to mention an achievement if you're such a hunter)

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts," so to speak.

Note: I'm not saying that there is no room for improvement, but if you're not going to bother using your squadmates, why bring them along?

PS: This reply is not meant to sound rude. If it does, my apologies.

[Notanything]

I was playing adept on insanity and I decided to get slam because I thought it would be interesting. It wasn't very useful when I got it. I read that using pull would make it more effective, and while they're floating in the air to use slam then. But all it really did for me was make them fly up somewhat higher, then slam into the ground. Despite the height they sometimes gained, it still barely did any damage.

But then I found the true thing for me that complimented slam. Using singularity in combination with slam has some deadly results. Instead of going upwards first, if you have a singularity deployed with the target floating in the center and apply slam, they'll slam into the ground instantly. It kills basically all regular unprotected enemies in one strike, and with such a satisfying crunch too.

I hope that slam does get an upgrade though, it should be more powerful than what it was in Mass Effect 2.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Lol at the notion that one of the game's strongest powers is weak. There is only one other non-class power that exceeds it (Stasis) and only one that roughly matches it (Neural Shock). These powers are called 1pt. wonders because there are no other bonus powers in the whole game that give you the kind of speed, versatility and raw power that these do.

Slam is instacast, sets up warp combos, physics combos, staggers protected enemies, cc's unprotected enemies and detonates/demolishes destructibles with a sub 3-second cooldown at all levels, while subject to no drawbacks outside of the regular biotic handicaps. It unequivocally does more than any other biotic power other than Stasis, so there is absolutely no basis to call Slam a weak or disappointing power. Slam is also one of the big reasons why Miranda is considered a top-tier squadmate.

If you're gonna call Slam weak, then you might as well say Stasis is weak b/c its 'fall of death' doesn't kill enemies outright on its own (which btw, it can).

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 26 juin 2011 - 03:06 .

[crimzontearz]

uh......all Biotic powers in game are disappointingly weak if compared to the lore behind them

try hitting someone with 1250 newtons of force

seriously, I dare you

[Praetor Knight]

So I guess you mean as one of the new evolutions? And there is Crippling Slam that kinda fits the example you give, what about that evolution?


And I agree with Locutus_of_BORG about 1pt. Slam.

[Praetor Knight]

crimzontearz wrote...

uh......all Biotic powers in game are disappointingly weak if compared to the lore behind them

try hitting someone with 1250 newtons of force

seriously, I dare you

And you can get sacked by Dwight Freeney for a whooping ~12,000 Newtons of Force

http://social.biowar...02844/1#5303055

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 26 juin 2011 - 03:17 .

[crimzontearz]

yeah but you are forgetting that the effect of an impact force depends on the deceleration imparted to the object when it collides with the target AND the surface it is applied to

with that in mind a Biotic attack has a deceleration time upon impact of circa....uhm...yeah 0...at that point even if I was to use one whole second of deceleration time (for computing sake) the force of a evolved biotic push is roughly equal to the force of a 20 pounds bowling ball hitting you at 450KPH

limbs would have to be ripped from the body

[Praetor Knight]

crimzontearz wrote...

yeah but you are forgetting that the effect of an impact force depends on the deceleration imparted to the object when it collides with the target AND the surface it is applied to

with that in mind a Biotic attack has a deceleration time upon impact of circa....uhm...yeah 0...at that point even if I was to use one whole second of deceleration time (for computing sake) the force of a evolved biotic push is roughly equal to the force of a 20 pounds bowling ball hitting you at 450KPH

limbs would have to be ripped from the body

Wait, what about the transfer of energy?

And sorry, I'm not following with zero example, or the bowling ball going ~279 mph ripping off limbs, do you mean like a cannon ball?

[azerSheppard]

I say dump slam, and get that second ermac fatality 0.o

[Warkupo]

Slam is nothing more than a less useful version of pull, and I already have pull.

Pass.

[Praetor Knight]

Warkupo wrote...

Slam is nothing more than a less useful version of pull, and I already have pull.

Pass.

Unless you are not an adept or vanguard, a 1pt slam could work wonders.
 and with a Vanguard there are different tactical considerations that become available with at least a 1pt Slam.

[crimzontearz]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

yeah but you are forgetting that the effect of an impact force depends on the deceleration imparted to the object when it collides with the target AND the surface it is applied to

with that in mind a Biotic attack has a deceleration time upon impact of circa....uhm...yeah 0...at that point even if I was to use one whole second of deceleration time (for computing sake) the force of a evolved biotic push is roughly equal to the force of a 20 pounds bowling ball hitting you at 450KPH

limbs would have to be ripped from the body

Wait, what about the transfer of energy?

And sorry, I'm not following with zero example, or the bowling ball going ~279 mph ripping off limbs, do you mean like a cannon ball?

yes, like a cannon ball

the transfer of energy for a biotic attack would be, I believe, instantaneous as the force is applied directly

[Locutus_of_BORG]

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crimzontearz wrote...

uh......all Biotic powers in game are disappointingly weak if compared to the lore behind them

try hitting someone with 1250 newtons of force

seriously, I dare you

Yes, and so are all guns and tech powers too btw.

Try hitting somehow someone with a grain of sand at hypersonic speeds in an atmosphere. Seriously, I dare you. Let's see if armor would make any difference.

Or try pinning someone to a single point in space/time (Stasis). I'm sure IRL they'll just fall to the floor drooling like they do in ME... lol, since that's what black holes do to ppl...

Obviously my argument was made in game terms, since the OP's point was made in game terms as well. If ME was designed realistically according to its lore, it would not be a very fun game, kinda like how if CoD:MW was anything like real war, it would not be a very fun game, since real war isn't very fun.

Praetor Shepard wrote...
And you can get sacked by Dwight Freeney for a whooping ~12,000 Newtons of Force

http://social.biowar...02844/1#5303055

 Awesome!  "Like being punched by George Foreman and Mike Tyson, in their prime(s), at the same time!"

So I guess with a bit of practice I can dare then... Channelling the Spirit of Capt. Falcon, I can dare to go BEYOND 1250N, even!

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 26 juin 2011 - 02:46 .