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[WolfForce99]

1. Ether Ashley or Kaidan on Horizon, reporting to the Alliance and the Council that Shepard is working with Cerberus.

2. The Council says to Shepard that working for Cerberus is treason.

3. N7 mission's and Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, look like they help Shepard prove his or her loyalty to the Alliance and the Council. ( Endangered Research Station, Imminent Ship Crash, Javelin Missiles, Lost Operative, MSV Estevanico, Normandy Crash Site, and LotSB DLC: sending the Alliance the Warning Signal info. )

4. Shepard surrounding him or her self with allies that do not like Cerberus or just in it for the money. This will give Shepard eyewitnesses to prove his or her loyalty.

[TheKillerAngel]

There will be a multitude of charges, among them the events of Arrival and possibly working with Cerberus.

[VegasVance]

He's going to his trail, to either
A. Make his case about the Reapers for one last time.
B. Appease the batarians by turning himself in, for if he didn't it could lead to a war between the humans and the batarians.

[Repearized Miranda]

No, because everybody convicted her for being with Cerberus! I don't think she'd care if they brought it up again!!

[blothulfur]

Considering everybody was railroaded into working with cerberus whether they wanted to or not I can't see the developers charging Shep with this without generating a wholly justified crapstorm.

[Zaxares]

Now this is an interesting bit of speculation! It actually ties in quite neatly to the charges from Arrival; wiping out an entire batarian colony (not to mention a whole system) is something a pro-human terrorist group like Cerberus is perfectly capable of doing. At least, in the eyes of the media and the wider galactic community. Since there's plenty of proof that Shepard is working with Cerberus, as compared to proof that Shepard actually orchestrated the asteroid strike on the relay, it makes for compelling circumstantial evidence against Shepard.

[Medhia Nox]

It might also be that Shepard isn't being convicted of anything - he might have been subpoenaed to appear as an eye-witness to the Arrival event. Yes - this would logically have the Batarians asking why Shepard was there - but it seems pretty clear that the Batarians know there were humans in the sector right before 300,000 colonists died.

I'd find it interesting if the Alliance actually stands behind Shepard in this event - and how that would alter people's opinions about the Alliance.

Al-Jilani reveals Shepard is back to the populace of Citadel space - and we're told he/she is clearly a celebrity.

It would behoove the Alliance to turn on him - I could see the Alliance taking major hits in the "polls" for not supporting the 1st human Specter that led the attack that saved the Citadel and later rose from the dead. Not to mention the 1 million tales being told of Shepard's exploits in the galaxies most notable regions.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 26 juin 2011 - 12:04 .

[OdanUrr]

I have suggested this before in another thread on the basis that there's little evidence to show Shepard was involved in the destruction of the Alpha relay. On the other hand, a case against Shepard for working with Cerberus is more likely to stick.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I wouldn't be surprised if it starts out as one thing and the other part gets pulled in for instance if you did Arrival you're on trial but hey you're also a terrorist que bringing in you worked for Cerberus or vis versa.

[elfdwarf]

Council and Alliance already knew about Cerberus and shepard
but will put trial the important of trial killing 300,000 batarians
since batarians & humans don't have good relationship (give up shepard to batarians or war with batarians)

[rft]

If you watched the live gamplay and Q&A for ME3, then you would of heared Shepard say "Cerberus is indoctrinated we can't do anything about them". Since Shepard was workin with them for a time, I have a feeling that someone is going to blame Shepard for the Cerberus agents attacking. Just a feeling.

[Balek-Vriege]

I think the trial will be more like a special hearing and political witch hunt. Anyone trying to pin responsiblity on Shepard to avoid war the the Batarians wouldn't pass up the chance of linking him/her directly to Cerberus. That way Shepard's painted as a terrorist stooge of Cerberus who believes in imaginary foes.

The charges:

1. Genocide of 300,000 Batarian Citizens (obviously)
2. Collusion with a known Terrorist Organization
3. Assasination of Council Spectre Tela Vasir (if lostb is completed)
4. Anything else that can be held against you in ME1+ME2

Things bound to be covered:

Your profile history (War Hero, Spacer, Earthborn etc.)
Your actions in ME1
Your actions in ME2
Why you did those things
Your "relationships"
Reapers

Such a trial would serve as "the story so far" moment, introducing the plot to new players and recapping on Shepard's exploits for imported saves. Basically, Shepard's going to be on trial for everything he/she's done since ME1.

[OdanUrr]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

The charges:

1. Genocide of 300,000 Batarian Citizens (obviously)
2. Collusion with a known Terrorist Organization
3. Assasination of Council Spectre Tela Vasir (if lostb is completed)
4. Anything else that can be held against you in ME1+ME2

To me, the obvious part is not obvious at all for a variety of reasons:

1) If you didn't play Arrival DLC, this won't make any sense to you. Players would be expected to believe that sometime between ME2 and ME3, Shepard decided to blow a star system because he "thought it was fun."

2) There is no evidence to suggest Shepard was involved at all in this incident beyond his own admission to Admiral Hackett and his report. Remember, this is coming from the man who says the Reapers are coming, and nobody (or very few people) believes the Reapers are coming. You can't have it both ways, either you believe his story or you don't, you can't choose which parts you like.

Concerning the charge for murdering a Spectre:

1) That falls outside Alliance jurisdiction and should be addressed by the Council.

2) Again, if you didn't play LotSB, the player would also be expected to believe he murdered a fellow Spectre because she was "on his way."

To sum up, charges concerning DLC are dicey since those people who've never played them will undoubtedly feel cheated that their Shepard is being accused of things s/he didn't actually do (or, rather, was never seen doing). If it makes you feel any better, you could accuse him/her of releasing the Rachni (provided you didn't kill the Queen in ME1).

[Balek-Vriege]

OdanUrr wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

The charges:

1. Genocide of 300,000 Batarian Citizens (obviously)
2. Collusion with a known Terrorist Organization
3. Assasination of Council Spectre Tela Vasir (if lostb is completed)
4. Anything else that can be held against you in ME1+ME2

To me, the obvious part is not obvious at all for a variety of reasons:

1) If you didn't play Arrival DLC, this won't make any sense to you. Players would be expected to believe that sometime between ME2 and ME3, Shepard decided to blow a star system because he "thought it was fun."

2) There is no evidence to suggest Shepard was involved at all in this incident beyond his own admission to Admiral Hackett and his report. Remember, this is coming from the man who says the Reapers are coming, and nobody (or very few people) believes the Reapers are coming. You can't have it both ways, either you believe his story or you don't, you can't choose which parts you like.

Concerning the charge for murdering a Spectre:

1) That falls outside Alliance jurisdiction and should be addressed by the Council.

2) Again, if you didn't play LotSB, the player would also be expected to believe he murdered a fellow Spectre because she was "on his way."

To sum up, charges concerning DLC are dicey since those people who've never played them will undoubtedly feel cheated that their Shepard is being accused of things s/he didn't actually do (or, rather, was never seen doing). If it makes you feel any better, you could accuse him/her of releasing the Rachni (provided you didn't kill the Queen in ME1).

You're assuming Shepard's pleaded Not Guilty and/or he/she has any say in the matter.  Shepard will probably use the trial to present a case (however baseless) about Reapers by admitting to the facts, the same way he/she tried with getting Saren arrested.  Also there's no way Shepard can be convicted, because the Reapers stop the trial short anyways.  That means the trial can be harsh and unforgiving.  It's already been said by developers that Arrival does happen regardless of whether you play it or not in E3 videos and other media.

[FrozenShadow]

OdanUrr wrote...

1) If you didn't play Arrival DLC, this won't make any sense to you. Players would be expected to believe that sometime between ME2 and ME3, Shepard decided to blow a star system because he "thought it was fun."

Well last time I heard some news about this was that it's something you can't affect. Regardless if you have Arrival DLC or not, you have made a decision, which had killed 300k Batarians. (Now this from article about month ago.)



But topic, I think that the trial will ultimately start as what happen during Arrival. But quite surely that the Cerberus issue will occur.

Then again I think that the whole trial and what could happen in it doesn't really matter at all. Why? Because I think that Reapers will made their attack just when the trial is about to start or very begin of the trial. And after that it doesn't matter. So, the whole trial issue was just convenient way to get Shep back to Earth, so that he could be there when Reapers attack there.

[xassantex]

i bet it's a fake trial just to appease the Batarians a bit.
Shepard didn't build the asteroid project. And since the Alliance was planning on blowing the relay, i fail to see how the Batarians would just have said " sure , go ahead, have fun " .
So the Alliance is just as much in deep **** . Why isn't that trial on the Citadel btw ?

[Paulinius]

VegasVance wrote...

He's going to his trail, to either
A. Make his case about the Reapers for one last time.
B. Appease the batarians by turning himself in, for if he didn't it could lead to a war between the humans and the batarians.

I wonder what the time difference is between when the Batarians get hit (I read on here that their homeworld is devestated, but I don't recall the source) and when the Reapers attack Earth. If the invasion trailer is assumed to be correct, the Alliance had some forewarning since they did amass thousands of ships to defend Earth.

I think you're right. Shepard turns himself in to prevent a Batarian-Human war/conflict. Shepard turns himself in a few months or weeks before the Reapers arrive and he's in jail or house arrest pending the trial since it takes weeks or months before charges are filed and the actual trial takes place. While Shepard is in holding, the Batarians get hit and the Alliance who probably have spies and listening posts get wind of it. Since Shepard is still under arrest, he can't just leave but the Alliance prepares defences and some of his crew work on getting the Normandy ready for a "jail break." Shepard then tells the court about the Reapers and the importance of working together with the other races to defeat them while some official says Reapers are just a myth, then bam the Reapers come to the party.

[RocketManSR2]

Who says the council won't be there? They could be there via hologram. As far as anyone knows, a Cerberus operative assassinated an alien Spectre agent. That's all anyone cares about. The relationship part could be interesting, though. How would everyone react to a bunch of xeno human admirals showing open disgust that Shepard fell in love with a quarian? My paragon might get pushed beyond what he can take from crap like that.

[Paulinius]

Also, with all this futuristic technology that allows people to travel across the galaxy and all the trouble with proving that Saren was a traitor and that the Reapers were real, you would think Shepard would have a video camera installed on his suit so we can prove his point.

[Repearized Miranda]

rft wrote...

If you watched the live gamplay and Q&A for ME3, then you would of heared Shepard say "Cerberus is indoctrinated we can't do anything about them". Since Shepard was workin with them for a time, I have a feeling that someone is going to blame Shepard for the Cerberus agents attacking. Just a feeling.

Wouldn't surprise me! The target on her back just keeps getting bigger and bigger! 

[Repearized Miranda]

Paulinius wrote...

Also, with all this futuristic technology that allows people to travel across the galaxy and all the trouble with proving that Saren was a traitor and that the Reapers were real, you would think Shepard would have a video camera installed on his suit so we can prove his point.

A reaper sat on top of the Council! What makes you think they'll believe some film evidence?

[Paulinius]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Also, with all this futuristic technology that allows people to travel across the galaxy and all the trouble with proving that Saren was a traitor and that the Reapers were real, you would think Shepard would have a video camera installed on his suit so we can prove his point.

A reaper sat on top of the Council! What makes you think they'll believe some film evidence?

Slip them a credit chit when you hand over the video evidence, wink at them, and ask if that changes their mind.

[OdanUrr]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

It's already been said by developers that Arrival does happen regardless of whether you play it or not in E3 videos and other media.

That seems like an odd decision, to say the least. First, let me clarify that I have no problem with Arrival taking place, but in the case of players who haven't actually played the DLC, I suggested that it could have been the VS the one that ultimately made this decision instead. It would be an interesting twist, and place the VS on a similar predicament. A rather poor alternative, but an alternative nonetheless, would be some sort of cinematic that updates players with the events of Arrival (this could work as an intro or intertwined with the trial itself).

Having said that, the emphasis should be placed on your (temporary) alliance with Cerberus.

[Balek-Vriege]

OdanUrr wrote...

Having said that, the emphasis should be placed on your (temporary) alliance with Cerberus.

That's true.  I bet the player will make the decision of how they portray their relationship with Cerberus among other things.  Similar to the debriefing Miranda and Jacob give you in ME2, but hopefully more extensive because it is a trial.

[Repearized Miranda]

Paulinius wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Also, with all this futuristic technology that allows people to travel across the galaxy and all the trouble with proving that Saren was a traitor and that the Reapers were real, you would think Shepard would have a video camera installed on his suit so we can prove his point.

A reaper sat on top of the Council! What makes you think they'll believe some film evidence?

Slip them a credit chit when you hand over the video evidence, wink at them, and ask if that changes their mind.

Okay, but let me go accuse a Quarian of stealing it first!  And you know damn well, I ain't making eye-contact with Council, let alone winking at them. I wouldn't bother to bat an eye. I might dot a few though!! 

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 26 juin 2011 - 02:23 .