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[XX55XX]

Don't get me wrong - I love the romance meta-game in BioWare games as much as everyone else. But, unfortunately the low quality of the romances and how awkwardly they integrate into the plot has me questioning why BioWare has bothered to include them at all. 

Traditionally, in BioWare games, romances boil down to four phases:

1. Flirt with your target.
2. Have a few conversations.
3. Sex scene!
4. Final kiss/hug before the big fight.

Yet, even though romances are afforded so much attention by the BioWare community at large, it is laughable to see how little often other characters in the game even reference or allude to the main character's romance, especially in cases where it would be welcome. For example, Jack never mentions your relationship with Miranda if you indeed have one with her. She never accuses you of favoritism (especially if you side with Miranda during the Miranda vs. Jack encounter) or even reference the relationship at all. 

Additionally, the romances themselves are only a few dozen lines of dialogue and mostly consist of heart-yanking one-liners that basically say, "Oh... I love you so much..." *Sex scene* After that, the relationship appears to remain a state of stagnation, with no conflicts between the main character and the betrothed that might help facilitate the maturity that most healthy romantic relationships establish. 

I really hope that BioWare would work on integrating the romance meta-game with the in-game plot and expanding their size (script-wise) relative to the other parts of the game. Have other characters reference the romance. Make the romance evolve from mere puppy love by introducing conflicts that strain the relationship. Despite the poor quality of DA2, one thing I can commend about it is how the game handled romances. For example, I romanced Merrill, and the romance encompassed many of the qualities and attributes that I want to see from such. Anders referenced the relationship, the relationship entered a rocky road with Merrill's wish to repair the mirror, etc. 

I don't know what to end with... but BioWare, inject some life into the romances. They really need it. Make them pop out of the screen. Engage our senses. Make them dance like embers on a fire.

Modifié par XX55XX, 26 juin 2011 - 01:37 .

[Lady Catastrophe]

I can definitely agree with you on this.One thing I really didn't like in ME2 was how after romancing Garrus talking to him immediately went back to 'Brb,calibration time'.
  --It was like the romance hadn't even happened.

Fair play to the guy,though.He's free to calibrate to his hearts desire,but sometimes Shepard just needs a little lovin' once in a while.

Modifié par Lady Catastrophe, 26 juin 2011 - 01:42 .

[SilentNukee]

Agreed 100%

[Amratis]

SilentNukee wrote...

Agreed 100%

[IndigoWolfe]

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

I can definitely agree with you on this.One thing I really didn't like in ME2 was how after romancing Garrus talking to him immediately went back to 'Brb,calibration time'.
  --It was like the romance hadn't even happened.

Fair play to the guy,though.He's free to calibrate to his hearts desire,but sometimes Shepard just needs a little lovin' once in a while.

Well, to be fair, you can invite him up for cuddles any time you want. Just sayin'.

[Lady Catastrophe]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

I can definitely agree with you on this.One thing I really didn't like in ME2 was how after romancing Garrus talking to him immediately went back to 'Brb,calibration time'.
  --It was like the romance hadn't even happened.

Fair play to the guy,though.He's free to calibrate to his hearts desire,but sometimes Shepard just needs a little lovin' once in a while.

Well, to be fair, you can invite him up for cuddles any time you want. Just sayin'.

Yep,but I'd have wanted at least one small end game conversation acknowledging the romance between Shep and his/her LI.I don't know what that would involve,but it would have been nice.

Not that there's anything wrong with cuddles.

Modifié par Lady Catastrophe, 26 juin 2011 - 01:47 .

[Raiil]

I feel a Zeel post coming on...

I agree it would be nice, but not at the expense of any friendship paths or a drastic reduction in the rest of gameplay. Headcanon is a good thing in this case.

[shepskisaac]

Here's my small idea I posted in Kaidan thread. How about having an option to ask the LI to move to Shepard's quarters? You would have some of his/her personal odds and sods appear on Shep's shelfs & lockers and too add some believability and spicyness  to the romantic side of the relationship, why not have some underwear/clothes kicking around the bed area? From the developement POV, it's such an extremly simple thing to do, just placing few additional objects in Shep's quarters (like the ship models and space hamster in ME2) and perhaps making the LI appear there from that point. But from the relationship and its believability POV, it would add alot. Little details matter.

Valentia X wrote...
I feel a Zeel post coming on...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 juin 2011 - 02:00 .

[Fidget6]

 Hrmm..... Dragon Age 2 came the closest to getting romances right. (It didn't just end with the big O right before the final battle and other party members mentioned and even confronted you about the romance often.) Pretty much the only thing they did wrong with DA2 is of course the "fade to black" approach.

[Lady Catastrophe]

IsaacShep wrote...

Here's my small idea I posted in Kaidan thread. How about having an option to ask the LI to move to Shepard's quarters? You would have some of his/her personal odds and sods appear on Shep's shelfs & lockers and too add some believability and spicyness  to the romantic side of the relationship, why not have some underwear/clothes kicking around the bed area? From the developement POV, it's such an extremly simple thing to do, just placing few additional objects in Shep's quarters (like the ship models and space hamster in ME2) and perhaps making the LI appear there from that point. But from the relationship and its believability POV, it would add alot. Little details matter.

I actually really like that idea!

[VegasVance]

IsaacShep wrote...

Here's my small idea I posted in Kaidan thread. How about having an option to ask the LI to move to Shepard's quarters? You would have some of his/her personal odds and sods appear on Shep's shelfs & lockers and too add some believability and spicyness  to the romantic side of the relationship, why not have some underwear/clothes kicking around the bed area? From the developement POV, it's such an extremly simple thing to do, just placing few additional objects in Shep's quarters (like the ship models and space hamster in ME2) and perhaps making the LI appear there from that point. But from the relationship and its believability POV, it would add alot. Little details matter.

One thing DA2 did right with the relationships.  Though we should designate one side for those dextro lovers out there, lest they eat the wrong kind of nuts and die. 

[Raiil]

Fidget6 wrote...

 Hrmm..... Dragon Age 2 came the closest to getting romances right. (It didn't just end with the big O right before the final battle and other party members mentioned and even confronted you about the romance often.) Pretty much the only thing they did wrong with DA2 is of course the "fade to black" approach.

Just out of curiousity, why do people object to the fade to black? I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy the romance option but out of the ME and DA series, I thought ME2 had the most tasteful scenes that were all tailored to each individual LI. I'm no puritan by any stretch of the imagination, but... well, imagination is a good thing and I'd rather more resources be spent in Epic Finale then Epic Nudie.

[SilentNukee]

IsaacShep wrote...

Here's my small idea I posted in Kaidan thread. How about having an option to ask the LI to move to Shepard's quarters? You would have some of his/her personal odds and sods appear on Shep's shelfs & lockers and too add some believability and spicyness  to the romantic side of the relationship, why not have some underwear/clothes kicking around the bed area? From the developement POV, it's such an extremly simple thing to do, just placing few additional objects in Shep's quarters (like the ship models and space hamster in ME2) and perhaps making the LI appear there from that point. But from the relationship and its believability POV, it would add alot. Little details matter.

Yes, this too!

[Fidget6]

Valentia X wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

 Hrmm..... Dragon Age 2 came the closest to getting romances right. (It didn't just end with the big O right before the final battle and other party members mentioned and even confronted you about the romance often.) Pretty much the only thing they did wrong with DA2 is of course the "fade to black" approach.

Just out of curiousity, why do people object to the fade to black? I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy the romance option but out of the ME and DA series, I thought ME2 had the most tasteful scenes that were all tailored to each individual LI. I'm no puritan by any stretch of the imagination, but... well, imagination is a good thing and I'd rather more resources be spent in Epic Finale then Epic Nudie.

Well, they don't really have to show any nudity even (although I strongly support it ;P) just using that moment to show the intimacy of the characters without getting graphic like most films do. Something like this would be sufficient:  
(first non-nude love scene that came to my mind haha, but you get the idea.)

[Bill the Illusive man]

Threesomes please. When confronted with a choice between Ashley and Liara, Liara seemed as if she was down with it lol. Can we invite Shiala or one of them Asari chicks and get that Alien Threesome going on. That would be awesome.

[Fidget6]

Bill the Illusive man wrote...
Threesomes please.

Yet another thing Dragon Age did right with the romances. 

[Youknow]

I just hate how it ends up with "sex" or "turn down." I mean, why can't you just spend a nice moment together?

But I do like the idea of your LI having stuff around the place. I can imagine someone like Liara keeping your place really organized while someone like Jack might leave the place a bit of a mess. 

Or even something like you walk in the room and see a gun on your bed and see something like: 

"Missing you like crazy Sheperd. Space a few geth for me. Love Jacob."

Modifié par Youknow, 26 juin 2011 - 02:30 .

[shepskisaac]

Youknow wrote...

I just hate how it ends up with "sex" or "turn down." I mean, why can't you just spend a nice moment together?

But I do like the idea of your LI having stuff around the place. I can imagine someone like Liara keeping your place really organized while someone like Jack might leave the place a bit of a mess.

A bit?

[DoNotIngest]

More romance dialogue period, plz. It's been stated that post-ME3 you can continue to play, like in ME2; I don't want to be running around the Normandy after destroying the Reapers with my LI making post-Reaper comments, instead of "What-are-we-gonna-do-now" comments.

Fidget6 wrote...

 Hrmm..... Dragon Age 2 came the closest to getting romances right. (It didn't just end with the big O right before the final battle and other party members mentioned and even confronted you about the romance often.) Pretty much the only thing they did wrong with DA2 is of course the "fade to black" approach.

Agreed. I'd say fade-to-black is a bit of a minor issue, but after the ME1 scenes, ME2 deffinately seemed like they should have carried along. So completely agreed.


Plus, it's the damned trilogy ending. Let FoxNews eat their heart out, free advertising FTFW!

[dreamextractor]

Yeah, I agree that ME3 needs more romance dialogue. And I really hope more characters pick up on your relationship with whoever. Doesn't need to be anything big, really. But I'd imagine a character like Ashley would have something to say if, say, Shepard romanced Garrus or Thane (I don't mean that in a negative way, fyi. I like Ashley), and I really want to see how the whole moving-on from your other li thing will work out. Might be cool to see some tension between Garrus or Kaidan, or something...

[Good Chaos7]

@XX55XX, @IsaacShep, @Fidget6  Your Ideas are Awesome!
I agree with everything in this thread so Far!  100%  My Beef! No More Fading to Black! I want to see the characters interact and get into the story not try to guess what they did.. That takes me out of the story.


Never got to play DA's yet

[enayasoul]

IsaacShep wrote...

Here's my small idea I posted in Kaidan thread. How about having an option to ask the LI to move to Shepard's quarters? You would have some of his/her personal odds and sods appear on Shep's shelfs & lockers and too add some believability and spicyness  to the romantic side of the relationship, why not have some underwear/clothes kicking around the bed area? From the developement POV, it's such an extremly simple thing to do, just placing few additional objects in Shep's quarters (like the ship models and space hamster in ME2) and perhaps making the LI appear there from that point. But from the relationship and its believability POV, it would add alot. Little details matter.

100% agree!

Modifié par enayasoul, 26 juin 2011 - 03:31 .

[Phate Phoenix]

I love the idea of having a your LI moving into your quarters, and having some of their things all over. They don't even have to physically be there (I'd prefer if they had their own station on the Normandy, actually, instead of it feeling like they wait around to be your sex slave XD). Just the hint that they live there, or stay there often, would be great.

To continue the DA2 lovefest, I'd want it to be similar to when Hawke can explore his/her house and finds evidence of his/her companions having been there. (Heehee, Isabela.) But only for your LI.