21 réponses à ce sujet

[OdanUrr]

I am VERY curious to see how they'll explain this effectively.

[King Zeel]

Damn it, spoilers.

[Bogsnot1]

You do realise this is very old news, and has been discussed to death numerous times?

[OdanUrr]

You know this subject isn't really a spoiler, right? It's been discussed at length before, unless I'm mistaken.

EDIT: LOL, Bogsnot1, we posted almost the exact same thing at the exact same time!

Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 juin 2011 - 03:57 .

[King Zeel]

Hxrizon wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

Damn it, spoilers.

Sorry bout that let me edit the OP and Topic  now:)

Thank you very much sir. I've been spoiled but you handled the situation in a very gentlemently way.

 I hold no ill will. Carry on with your discussions.

[Gavinthelocust]

I can't say I'm surprised, the paragon path seems to be the one that's right and seeing as paragons usually treated poor old Jack with about as much respect as a Batarian I saw this coming. It would be nice, though, if Cerberus didn't make up the largest percentage of enemies we have to fight. Just seems wrong to me.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 26 juin 2011 - 04:02 .

[OdanUrr]

To be fair, Shepard assumes Cerberus is working with the Reapers because they're out to get him for reasons unknown. In stereotypical soldier fashion, Shepard adds two and two by saying, "If group A is against me, and group B is against me, then groups A and B must be working together." That is not the only possible solution to this problem.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 juin 2011 - 04:03 .

[OdanUrr]

Let's dwell a bit on the reasons why Cerberus would willfully "team up" with the Reapers.

Premise: Cerberus is a group with a vested interest in seeing humanity as the leading race amongst all other galactic civilizations.

1) The Reapers have somehow assured Cerberus that at least some humans will survive.

I doubt TIM would fall for this. Assurances from races who have annihilated entire civilizations throughout millennia and who would have no reason to hold up their end of the bargain should definitely not be believed.

2) Cerberus sees this "culling" as an opportunity for humanity to become THE power in the galaxy.

It would go something like this: let the Reapers destroy pretty much everything (particularly the Alliance, and aliens as a bonus), then fire up some eleventh hour weapon to get rid of the Reapers. Result: a galaxy nearly empty except for Cerberus operatives. Of course, this theory is dependant on TIM actually having such a weapon or delluding himself into believing he could find it in time. Less weak than theory #1, but weak nonetheless.

Counter-premise: Cerberus, or at least its leader, actually has no interest in seeing humanity become the sole leading power in the galaxy, perhaps doesn't even care if humanity survives at all. Indeed, certain events from ME1, such as experimentation with Thorian creepers and rachni, could be viewed as an attempt to create an army, yes... but to use against all the civilizations of the galaxy, humans included. If this were the case, however, we would be hard pressed to explain the reason why TIM goes to all the trouble of resurrecting Shepard and unleashing him upon the Collectors.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 juin 2011 - 04:34 .

[McBeath]

OdanUrr wrote...

Of course, this theory is dependant on TIM actually having such a weapon or delluding himself into believing he could find it in time. Less weak than theory #1, but weak nonetheless.

TIM does indeed state in ME2 that he found the weapon that took out the derilect reaper... he says it's "defunct" but that doesn't mean he hasn't repaired or mass produced it for Cerberus.

[OdanUrr]

McBeath wrote...

TIM does indeed state in ME2 that he found the weapon that took out the derilect reaper... he says it's "defunct" but that doesn't mean he hasn't repaired or mass produced it for Cerberus.

Yeah, but it's some sort of kinetic projectile, right? You'd need to mass produce them, to begin with, and that's provided your ships have a hull capable of sustaining a Reaper's attack long enough to fire them.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 juin 2011 - 04:49 .

[yamomoto]

Maybe TIM was indoctrinated by the reapers while the Normandy (in ME2) went through the omega relay, so he foresaw that shepard would be the only one who could save humanity, so in ME3 there might be a mission where you confront TIM either killing him or 'releasing' the indoctrination that harbinger (or some other reaper) has on him, so eventually he'll side with you. (because to what i believe, you get a Cerberus squad member in ME3 [that robot/asian/assassin])

[OdanUrr]

Indoctrination would suffer from being over-used. If the Reapers are so successful at indoctrinating others, why not just mass-indoctrinate the galaxy and order them to commit suicide?

It could be that TIM is stalling for time. In ME2 he urges Shepard not to destroy the human reaper so it can be used as a weapon against the Reapers. Whether or not Shepard follows this advice, TIM has to look at the facts, and these tell him that the Reapers have triumphed even over more technologically-advanced species. Furthermore, he knows it's part of the Reapers' strategy to keep some specimens around to use as sleeper agents. Therefore, the "extinction" process is not immediate, and likely develops over a matter of years. By appearing to be on the side of the Reapers, he could buy more time to come up with a weapon to neutralize the threat. I'm not very convinced myself on this matter though.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 juin 2011 - 04:59 .

[shadowreflexion]

Hxrizon wrote...

Illusive Man and Cerberus team up with Reapers


 So i was watching this youtube video from e3 about Mass Effect 3...




...and he talks about how Cerberus teamed up with The Reapers.

and I cant say i didnt see this coming.  When the Illusive Man wanted me to save The Collectors base the first thing that popped into my head is that is the most dumb idea i have ever heard (I'm not trying to fight a full size version of that human reaper, or give all that info to Cerberus.) Then i was reading the Codex and it was talking aout how if a main leader becomes indoctrined it can cause choas, so i started think maybe the Illusive Man was indoctrined, with his crazy eyes and all.

But of course that theory has a big flaw why would he revive Shepard. Maybe they threw in some extra pieces when rebuilding him. Then Shepard can be controlled by Reapers if he were to gain loyalty of council. Then that would be why (guy in begining of ME2) wants to kill you because he knows this being chief of medical. Well thats just my speculation. It looks like that is from the begining of the game seeing how they are in dress cloths and not armor im guessing its right after that big court date the commander had for blowing up that Batarian colony.

Where's the "Spoilers"? lol Who knows if TIM is really teamed up with my enemy? Best case scenario, more people to shoot and different tactics to try. About his eyes though, ever since I played ME2 and fought the human Reaper at the end, I just flew off on a tangent the TIM was a failed Reaper with a fabricated backstory. So until I know for sure, I'll just wait to see. If there isn't something grand going on with Cerberus and the Reapers and Cerberus is just out for blood then I'll have fun thinning the ranks. If something sinister is going on between the two of them then I'll have major fun exploding biotics and shotguns on the battlefield.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 26 juin 2011 - 05:07 .

[Bogsnot1]

Hxrizon wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...
You know this subject isn't really a spoiler, right? It's been discussed at length before, unless I'm mistaken.

EDIT: LOL, Bogsnot1, we posted almost the exact same thing at the exact same time!

Bogsnot1 wrote...

You do realise this is very old news, and has been discussed to death numerous times?

Where's the "Spoilers"? lol Who knows if TIM is really teamed up with my enemy? Best case scenario, more people to shoot and different tactics to try. About his eyes though, ever since I played ME2 and fought the human Reaper at the end, I just flew off on a tangent the TIM was a failed Reaper with a fabricated backstory. So until I know for sure, I'll just wait to see. If there isn't something grand going on with Cerberus and the Reapers and Cerberus is just out for blood then I'll have fun thinning the ranks. If something sinister is going on between the two of them then I'll have major fun exploding biotics and shotguns on the battlefield.

You Three ignorrant f***s now i changed it because someone stated that it was a *SPOILER* right? It was a spoiler to him, it was a spoiler to me before watching that video without knowing he would say something like that, and im guessing it is a spoiler to a lot of other people out there.

Aww, diddums. If King Troll didnt want spoilers, he would not be going anywhere near a forum that discusses anything about the upcoming game, he would be avoiding it like the plague. The fact you fell for his trolling is your fault.
If you got upset because 2 people pointed out the obvious, then by all means, let me google it for you.

[VegasVance]

Ever wonder if one poster would create an account just to argue with himself?

Modifié par VegasVance, 26 juin 2011 - 05:47 .

[shadowreflexion]

Hxrizon wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

You know this subject isn't really a spoiler, right? It's been discussed at length before, unless I'm mistaken.

EDIT: LOL, Bogsnot1, we posted almost the exact same thing at the exact same time!

Bogsnot1 wrote...

You do realise this is very old news, and has been discussed to death numerous times?

Where's the "Spoilers"? lol Who knows if TIM is really teamed up with my enemy? Best case scenario, more people to shoot and different tactics to try. About his eyes though, ever since I played ME2 and fought the human Reaper at the end, I just flew off on a tangent the TIM was a failed Reaper with a fabricated backstory. So until I know for sure, I'll just wait to see. If there isn't something grand going on with Cerberus and the Reapers and Cerberus is just out for blood then I'll have fun thinning the ranks. If something sinister is going on between the two of them then I'll have major fun exploding biotics and shotguns on the battlefield.

You Three ignorrant f***s now i changed it because someone stated that it was a *SPOILER* right? It was a spoiler to him, it was a spoiler to me before watching that video without knowing he would say something like that, and im guessing it is a spoiler to a lot of other people out there.

Wow, I would never hurl broadsides and vulgarities at you. I was stating that this has been up for a while and anytime something gets posted, people are all over it. The person that told you it was a spoiler was nipicking with you. But you are right. Maybe there are some who haven't seen it yet with all the E3 coverage and all. So for that, you have my apologies. But in all honesty I did answer your general question and with that, I don't think the vulgar language was needed.