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[RO-Bear]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Of course, it didn't help her that she was the one to kill Wrex, either. It makes sense, as she's the most racist of the companions, but that she would step up and kill Wrex before any others (Garrus comes to mind) is certainly a black mark.

And it has nothing to do with Wrex having been killing for a millennia and then point a gun at Shepard, right?

[Vertigo_1]

AresXX7 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

The other crewmembers may make racist remarks from time to time, but Ashley is the only one who murders Wrex.

I find it strange when people bring this up, and word it this way.

From what I've seen on YouTube, she doesn't murder Wrex, Shepard signals her to take him out, if s/he cannot or chooses not to talk him down. In other words, she is following Shepard's orders.

(I had to watch it on YT because I've never had, or chosen to kill Wrex - he's too cool to kill )

Ashley can also do it herself without Shepard's approval.  Her defense was that she had a duty to protect her commander.

[LiquidCraigor]

I think looking at it from a personality viewpoint with Ash growing up under a military family that has since been at odds with Alien species since first contact, that of course there will be underlying racism....Of course there is no real excuse for how she behaves, if anything it could just be years of just reflex coming into play from parents etc etc...

Just look at how The Illusive Man turned out after 'a certain event', he now heads humanities most forefrontal group on the superiority of humanity...by all means it doesn't entirely make him a racist because if given the light of day im sure he only intends to defend humanity if it needed to, no different to how a turian or a Quarian or a Krogan would...the difference between Ashley and TIM however is their means.

Walked off the beaten track there...my bad.

[GodWood]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Ashley can also do it herself without Shepard's approval.  Her defense was that she had a duty to protect her commander.

How dare she!

[Nashiktal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Collider wrote...

And as I quoted, Ashley randomly brings up race during the romance confrontation with Liara. Just out of nowhere.

Out of nowhere? Last I checked this had to do with an alien. You know, that blue one with the freckles.

Don't forget the head tentacles. Those are pretty noticable too.

In any case we do have to remember that Humanity as a whole has barely been part of the galactic community for two decades. Humanity, an entirely new and alien culture suddenly finds itself part of a bigger community thats been established for longer than the humans even thought about space travel.

Not to mention first contact involved an Alien race that threatened to conquer the entire human species. Hell if the council had not intervened we would have been steamrolled, and likely a client race underneath the Turians. 

Hell while her opinions might be colored by her family history, she is being pretty practical here.

[AresXX7]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

The other crewmembers may make racist remarks from time to time, but Ashley is the only one who murders Wrex.

I find it strange when people bring this up, and word it this way.

From what I've seen on YouTube, she doesn't murder Wrex, Shepard signals her to take him out, if s/he cannot or chooses not to talk him down. In other words, she is following Shepard's orders.

(I had to watch it on YT because I've never had, or chosen to kill Wrex - he's too cool to kill )

Ashley can also do it herself without Shepard's approval.  Her defense was that she had a duty to protect her commander.

Really? I'll have to look it up again.
The only ones I've seen are where the player picks "Signal Ashley", or something like that.
(Like I said, it's something I've never tried myself)

[DoNotIngest]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

...Who hadn't just been talking about how dumb humans look with that seaweed growing out of their flat, non-tentacly heads...

Let's see, humans who have evolved to copulate together and then you throw in an alien. She didn't feel she should have to compete with an alien because in her mind it is only natural that a human should be more attracted to another human than they are an alien.


EDIT

Also, Wrex got what he deserved. You don't point a gun at your CO and expect to get off lightly. If Ashley shoots Wrex she is completely justified and she saved Shepard's life.

Guess it was a low blow to Miss Human, then.


And Shepard is only the CO of Ashley & Kaidan. Garrus is a partner, Tali is an ally, Liara is an interested party, and Wrex thinks you might be worth his time, so he tags along. You can use the "his ship, his rules" bit, but they weren't on his ship, were they?

My Virmire experience:


Wrex *pulls out gun*: Shepard, man, don't kill all these Krogan, they're my people!
Me: Woah, Wrex, buddy! I thought we were bros? Plus, you said it yourself, only stupid people work for Saren, and this is a stupid-Krogan factory. Bad job, that.
Wrex: Sh!t, sorry man. Let's go kill some Geth.
Ashley: Hey Shepard, you want me to shoot that alien?
Me: Oh, looky, a choice between two humans...!



(Last two lines are just teasing  was more or less serious on the first three, though)

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 26 juin 2011 - 06:31 .

[RO-Bear]

^^^If he's sorry *and doesn't try to kill Shepar* Ashley doesn't shoot him. (Not sure if he's sorry he "has" to kill Shepard)

Your argument is pretty much invalid.

Modifié par RO-Bear, 26 juin 2011 - 06:35 .

[S.A.K]

After comig into this thread. I regret saving Ashly on virmire because I always saved her

[DoNotIngest]

I pity the trolls that lack comedy. Go ask Zeely for pointers, he's gold at times.

Saphra Deden wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

And Shepard is only the CO of Ashley & Kaidan. Garrus is a partner, Tali is an ally, Liara is an interested party, and Wrex thinks you might be worth his time, so he tags along. You can use the "his ship, his rules" bit, but they weren't on his ship, were they?

What the hell are you talking about?

When they were on Virmire, they weren't on the Normandy. Derp?



If you're confuzzled on the ranking issue, I do believe you should review all-Human Alliance ranks, and see where a Turian vigilante, a Quarian machiniste, an Asari archaeologist and a Krogan battlemaster fit in there.

[ObserverStatus]

AresXX7 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

The other crewmembers may make racist remarks from time to time, but Ashley is the only one who murders Wrex.

I find it strange when people bring this up, and word it this way.

From what I've seen on YouTube, she doesn't murder Wrex, Shepard signals her to take him out, if s/he cannot or chooses not to talk him down. In other words, she is following Shepard's orders.

(I had to watch it on YT because I've never had, or chosen to kill Wrex - he's too cool to kill )

My orders were "just drop it, he'll be fine" but she still decided to murder him.

[DoNotIngest]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

When they were on Virmire, they weren't on the Normandy. Derp?

They're still under Shepard's command, most especially if they are an actual member of the Alliance Navy, which Ashley is.

Whether Wrex is legally obligated to follow Shepard or not is irrelevant. He was pointing a gun at him and prepared to kill him. That's a big no-no.

I'm confused why you'd even bring this up.

Bring up that racially-uncomfortable Ashley was the one to shoot the Big Bad Alien?


You sure are confuzzled a lot, Saphy-girl!

[S.A.K]

Saphra Deden wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

After comig into this thread. I regret saving Ashly on virmire because I always saved her

I pity the weak minded.

I saved her not because I liked her but didn't like Kaidan much. Now I think I should have saved him!

Modifié par S.A.K, 26 juin 2011 - 08:01 .

[RO-Bear]

[quote]bobobo878 wrote...

My orders were "just drop it, he'll be fine" but she still decided to murder him.
[/quote]

[quote]RO-Bear wrote...

Hey, it's fiction. Why do you think these people play the game in the
first place? First mention of anything realistic and reasonable is
baaaaad >

Modifié par RO-Bear, 26 juin 2011 - 06:48 .

[Eddo36]

Ashley's a xenophobe who doesn't consider herself a xenophobe.

[Made Nightwing]

SAK, don't let the haters turn you off the character. I've pretty much given up on trying to convince people. Haters are gonna hate and that's a fact.

Simply put, the reasons I like the character are:

1. She reminds me of myself. A tradition of military service in the family, one that she wants to live up to.

2. An uncomplicated view of how the world works. She's brutally pragmatic (not the same as racist) and equally pessimistic (again, not racist)

3. An interesting backstory without being too messed up. She wants to redeem the family name through service, and that's it. Some characters have complicated/tragic backstories and that's fine for them. But Ashley's past just complements her character and makes her more real to me.

To address the OP, I take the view that Garrus simply grew out of his dislike for Quarians, the same way Ashley changed her opinions about working with aliens after serving with them for a while. Experience is the best teacher, and those that have doubts/fears about species all learn and grow as characters. That's why I love the game.

[DoNotIngest]

Saphra Deden wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

My orders were "just drop it, he'll be fine" but she still decided to murder him.

She didn't murder him, she saved your life. It's clear you are a danger to yourself. Good thing you have (had) Ashley around to protect you from that harsh world out there.

Funny, my reason protected me from my sad old friend Wrex. I would think that Ashley was the one who was a danger to herself, wandering off with that "Hold the Line!" club. And they weren't even human!


She proved to be the one to flaunt a bit too much with danger. After all, that was the day I started calling her *puts on sunglasses* Ash.






Edit: Pssst... Just trolling for teh lulz back and forth with Saphra, don't take offense to my sillyness.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 26 juin 2011 - 06:50 .

[S.A.K]

Made Nightwing wrote...

SAK, don't let the haters turn you off the character. I've pretty much given up on trying to convince people. Haters are gonna hate and that's a fact.

You are right. I didn't like Ash to begin with but I'll judge her after playing ME3.