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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...
Take her line "I'm no fan of aliens"
Replace "aliens" with "blacks", "jews", "asians" or any other race and it's pretty damn racist.

Untrue. If she's not a fan, she can still be neutral towards those groups.

you say the cutest things.

[ObserverStatus]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm neutral towards other ethnicities. I guess I'm a racist?

Not necessarily, but if you said it the way Ashley did it might be interpreted that way.  What do you think would happen if someone important got on the TV and told the world "I'm not a fan of (muslims/asain people/gays)"?

[Icinix]

True Zarken wrote...

Seriously? Ash isn't racist. She's concerned about non-humans on the most advance alliance warship which I can understand. She's concerned for the safety of her commanding officer who has their guard down.

If she was racist she'd be with Cerberus and a supporter of the Terra Firma party which she is not.

I will never understand why so many people think Ash is a racist.

Amen.

Until I started spending time on these forums I had never heard anyone declare Ash as racist.

She claims that other races put themselves first before any other race, and shes right, humans do it, turians do it, asari do it.  In all of my playthroughs I have never, ever once thought Ash was racist, and will fail to understand how people see her as racist. Unless they're getting totally different dialogue to what I'm getting.

Also - Renegade shep says "Big Stupid Jellyfish" <--THAT is arguably one of, if not the most, racist comment in the entire ME series.

[ObserverStatus]

Saphra Deden wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Not necessarily, but if you said it the way Ashley did it might be interpreted that way.  What do you think would happen if someone important got on the TV and told the world "I'm not a fan of (muslims/asain people/gays)"?

People like you wound insist they be silenced.

Afterwards they would apologize, say that they didn't know what they were thinking, and go to rehab for a week to save face.

[PMC65]

bobobo878 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Not necessarily, but if you said it the way Ashley did it might be interpreted that way.  What do you think would happen if someone important got on the TV and told the world "I'm not a fan of (muslims/asain people/gays)"?

People like you wound insist they be silenced.

Afterwards they would apologize, say that they didn't know what they were thinking, and go to rehab for a week to save face.

Is that the "indoctrinated program" that I've heard so much about? I don't like sea monkeys ... crap, you've just changed that to Jews ... I'm a racist.

Ash does not say that she hates any group .. she simply does not trust other species. Even Nihlus tells Shepard that humans have no idea how dangerous the galaxy is. If you have to change what the person says to justify your reason, well .....

[ObserverStatus]

mrsph wrote...

Maybe Wrex deserved a good killing.

ok, now you're just being silly

Modifié par bobobo878, 26 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[David1234567890123]

I dont dont know and I dont care...Ashley is hot

[Icinix]

David1234567890123 wrote...

I dont dont know and I dont care...Ashley is hot

That was the whole point of the bewb job she got for ME3 - it killed any discussion of if she was racist dead in its tracks.

Modifié par Icinix, 26 juin 2011 - 08:42 .

[PMC65]

David1234567890123 wrote...

I dont dont know and I dont care...Ashley is hot

Get out of my mind ... I am trying to stay focused here.

[ObserverStatus]

David1234567890123 wrote...

I dont dont know and I dont care...Ashley is hot

So the reason Ashley decided to steal Samus's zero suit is she thought she could get away with more murder if she looks hot?

Modifié par bobobo878, 26 juin 2011 - 08:45 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

It's not murder, if she kills aliens.

[PiercedMonk]

I find it interesting that Ashley specifically mentions how uncomfortable she is with Wrex and Garrus being given free reign of the ship, but doesn't mention the quarian who's playing around in the engine room. Granted, if I'm remembering correctly, some of her elevator conversation with Tali comes off as a bit ig'n'ant, but Tali is, obstensibly, the one who should be the greatest cause for concern.

Anyways! Ashley certinally isn't the only character in the serries who's speciest, but I think part of the problem is that her prejudicies are based on inexperiance. Garrus telling Tali that he hopes her people are properly contrite for unleashing the geth is undoubtly a jackhole thing to say, but he has the advantage of being very experianced in encountering all sorts of different life and that the geth are flashlight faced murderbots.

Now, obviously it's not cool for Garrus to imply that Tali has some personal responsibility for the geth, or even for the rest of the races to treat the quarians as scum for a mistake perpetuated by their forebearers, but you can at least understand the motivations for such, even while condeming them. Ashley's initial xenophobia though is basically nothing more than "Aliens are different!" which is kind of embrassing, especially when you've got Kaidan saying, "Aliens are just people, too."

As for Grunt, who says things far worse than anything Ashley says, he's A) a tank bred murder machine, who's esentially been programed with his prejudices already in place, so it's kind of hard to blame him, and hilarious.

Modifié par PiercedMonk, 26 juin 2011 - 08:52 .

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trobbins777 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Tali doesn't say anything "racist" against geth. You can't be racist to a geth, it is not a person, it is a machine.

The quarians were right to try and destroy them.

I never said she was racist... 

I said she was genocidal.

Hm. Yeah. When vaccuum cleaners develop sentiency and strangle 6.4 billion humans, and cause the rest to travel around in subterranean caverns for three hundred years and lose any light tolerance, you can tell me that you shouldn't hold a grudge.



The dogs were onto something, y'hear? Oh, they'll laugh at me, they will... They'll see...

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 26 juin 2011 - 09:00 .

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DoNotIngest wrote...
Hm. Yeah. When vaccuum cleaners develop sentiency and strangle 6.4 billion humans, and cause the rest to travel around in subterranean caverns for three hundred years and lose any light tolerance, you can tell me that you shouldn't hold a grudge.
The dogs were onto something, y'hear? Oh, they'll laugh at me, they will... They'll see...

The humans got what they deserved, they shouldn't have tried to unplug the vacuum cleaners when they developed sentiency.

[PMC65]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

It's not murder, if she kills aliens.

Why do I have a deep desire to be a red straw?

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bobobo878 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
Hm. Yeah. When vaccuum cleaners develop sentiency and strangle 6.4 billion humans, and cause the rest to travel around in subterranean caverns for three hundred years and lose any light tolerance, you can tell me that you shouldn't hold a grudge.
The dogs were onto something, y'hear? Oh, they'll laugh at me, they will... They'll see...

The humans got what they deserved, they shouldn't have tried to unplug the vacuum cleaners when they developed sentiency.

Look, it was asking me for a PB&J sandwhich without the crust, toasted, with crunchy peanut butter, and blueberry jam on one side, strawberry on the... GAH! Damnit, man, machines serve me, not the other way around.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

You make light of the situation they faced. Stunning proof that you really don't understand it.

Wait, are you talking to me...? Look, I can make light of anything. Don't make me be eerily inhuman about it, because I'll poke fun at the most disturbing, depressive topic you can find.

[Mathy16]

In my eyes everyone is a racist in the ME universe:
- Mordin never expected one of his own to do stupid experiments, but he did expect it from a Krogan
- When on the flotilla you can hear a Quarian say: 'I never expected a HUMAN could speak that well'
- Krogan just hate every other species
- Shepard said something like this in LotSB: 'Shouldn't ou be dancing like every asari?'
- Batarians just hate humans
- There was that Turian during Thane's loyalty mission that was also anti-human
- There was an Asari on the Citadel that was also anti-human
- Pressly didn't like all those aliens aboard of the Normandy SR1
- If you let the council die, the turian shopkeeper on the Citadel is also anti-human
....

Almost everyone in Mass Effect is a Racist

[SkittlesKat96]

 Eh all squad mates have a little bit of racism I think but Ashley just seems way more racist to me...she has unneccessary feelings against aliens

[lovgreno]

Saphra Deden wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

You sure you're not talking about the Volus? Last i checked humanity was given an incredible amount of power in thirty years.

The volus have been a part of the galactic commnity for centuries and they've got less power than we do.

Humanity has earned what it has because it is relentles and won't take "no" for an answer. We were "given" nothing. We had to fight for it and leave the aliens with no other choice.

The volus are too passive.

The volus have basicaly no enemies and most strong players have a interest in seeing them safe and prosperous. The humans primitive bully style however is very close to make them very alone in a harsh galaxy where you need allies more than anything else.

The volus are mature enough to swallow their pride and cooperate, wich is not passivity.