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[Abispa]

Or maybe not.

A long time ago one of the major comic book companies (I think it was DC Comics) had something called a "no prize" that would be awarded to fans who would write in to to a column's editor and try to make sense out of a continuity error that readers were complaining about. Something like "Why didn't Batman have Robin with him on the night he actually needed a young punk kid to fit into a small sewer drain? It wasn't a school night after all!" and the fans would write in to say that while it wasn't a school night, it was in October during Homecoming season and he was probably attending his school's night rally or something.

Sometimes they were mundane or stupid, but often they were interesting or funny. It did make me think about how hard it is for writers to write "perfect" stories and be more forgiving of their mistakes, it made me less anal about continuity, and allowed me to mentally come up with my own explainations so I wouldn't require the writer's to spoon feed me every detail of their comic universe.

As much as I enjoyed DA2, it needs a lot of "no prizes." In a way this is a complaint thread, but I hope you'll meet some conditions to make it unique and keep it fun.

1) If you HATED EVERYTHING about DA2, feel that Bioware has personally betrayed you, think everyone involved with the game should be fired, believe anyone who doesn't think DA:O was video game perfection is a complete idiot, and preaches that EA doesn't care about the fans, just go somewhere else. Please.

2) If you think that Bioware can do no wrong, don't believe that DA2 had any continuity errors because your particular play-throughs had none, think DA2 is video game perfection, can't understand why anyone would have a problem with it and have a desire to accuse all critics of "trolling" just because they don't agree with you, just go somwhere else. Please.

3) Be specific and try not to use generalizations. Yes, we know that most Templars are morons and just about every mage loves wearing an ass-hat, but pick a specific character or particular scene that doesn't make sense to you. Then you can ask for others to suggest how they would make sense of it, or make your own suggestion.

4) If you don't like someone else's suggestion, or think you have a better one, post it. Praise the ones you think are amusing or rational enough to work. Maybe even help build a consensus on whether "Abispa" has bad ideas but "PulledPorkSandwich" is a genius. Don't be rude, and try not to be oversensitive to criticism.

Or you can ignore this thread and let it die. I won't take it personally.

[Abispa]

EDIT: When I originally created this thread during a bout of insomnia, I forgot to add that this thread is also about SPECIFIC badly written scenes or characters that SHOULD totally ruined immersion, but you with your wit and intellect have figured out a way for it to work after all. Not just continuity errors, though those are always important to deal with.

Madame Nightingale. Liliana was killed in one of my play throughs, but there she is blushing at Isabela in front of Hawke. How is this possible?

I humbly suggest (and I admit I'm not the only one who has thought of this) that it may actually be Flemeth, and that perhaps Flemeth has played/replaced several other characters in the series in order to influence events. Her manipulations of the Chantry could make sense if she is, as I and others have theorized, Andraste herself, unhappy with the Chantry in it's current form.

Modifié par Abispa, 26 juin 2011 - 01:57 .

[rwscissors702]

Madame Nightingale. Liliana was killed in one of my play throughs, but there she is blushing at Isabela in front of Hawke. How is this possible? Feign death, Rogue ability. I killed her once too. You don't get to loot her corpse, because she wasn't dead.

[Abispa]

@ rwscissors702 -- To be honest, I'VE never killed Liliana in any of my play throughs, though some of my friends have, so I admit that I am a big ignorant of how the whole scene plays out. Your explanation has the advantage over mine that it is simple and doesn't require a huge epic subplot to explain it.

[Foolsfolly]

Marvel gave out no prizes.

That is all.

[Abispa]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Marvel gave out no prizes.

That is all.

Thank you. I meant no offense. But since it's cheaper to buy a used video game than to buy a single comic in some cases anymore, it has been a while since I bought one.

Modifié par Abispa, 26 juin 2011 - 06:54 .

[Abispa]

Filament wrote...

Hawke's mom was dead all along. Hawke interrupted her tune up (removing obvious signs of necrosis etc) and killed the good samaritan blood mage who was keeping her alive at great personal expense.

Not so much an explanation of a continuity error as much as it is a rewrite. I'm afraid I prefered the original tale better. But thank you for posting.

Modifié par Abispa, 26 juin 2011 - 06:55 .

[rwscissors702]

I have no idea if they were thinking about her plot armor that far in advance. I remember it because I was pissed I couldn't get my good bow back after I "killed" her.

[Abispa]

rwscissors702 wrote...

I have no idea if they were thinking about her plot armor that far in advance. I remember it because I was pissed I couldn't get my good bow back after I "killed" her.

You angered the Maker.

[Maria Caliban]

Can you give us an example of the continuity errors?

Is this another thread about the darkspawn, qunari, and elves looking different?

Abispa wrote...

A long time ago one of the major comic book companies (I think it was DC Comics) had something called a "no prize" that would be awarded to fans who would write in to to a column's editor and try to make sense out of a continuity error that readers were complaining about.

That was Marvel and Stan 'the Man' Lee.

No no-prize for you!

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 26 juin 2011 - 07:05 .

[Abispa]

[quote]Maria Caliban wrote...

Can you give us an example of the continuity errors?

Is this another thread about the darkspawn, qunari, and elves looking different?

[quote]Abispa wrote...

"snip"

That was Marvel and Stan 'the Man' Lee.

No no-prize for you![/quote]

As for the "no prize," someone else already pointed out my error, but thank you anyway.

Continuity errors are about plot, and no, redesigns are not a continuity error, but I prefered the original darkspawn and the "new" elves and qunari.

[Abispa]

@ Filament -- I can't remember Hawke telling Leandra about the Lilly Killer in any of my play-throughs. I'm not saying it never happened, just that I've never seen it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

One way to fix one of the most idiotic and hilarious moments in the game:


Have Cullen finally come to his senses and call his Templars to surround Anders. Anders, angered for being betrayed, unleashes Vengeance in a blast of fury and manages to escape.

....was that so hard?

EDIT: I just realized this may not be the purpose for this thread. Apologies.

Um so why did Cullen not do that?....

....lyrium and...thin veil and.... [inappropriate coment removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 29 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[rwscissors702]

I have a new favorite DA2 video!

[Foolsfolly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

One way to fix one of the most idiotic and hilarious moments in the game:


Have Cullen finally come to his senses and call his Templars to surround Anders. Anders, angered for being betrayed, unleashes Vengeance in a blast of fury and manages to escape.

....was that so hard?

EDIT: I just realized this may not be the purpose for this thread. Apologies.

Um so why did Cullen not do that?....

....lyrium and...thin veil and.... [inappropriate comment removed]

Damnit, KoP! How many times must I read from the BioWare dictionary before you understand!

Ahem...

"Ambiguity- n. all choices are wrong and many cases nonsensical."

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 29 juin 2011 - 12:09 .

[MinotaurWarrior]

Grace willingly allowed herself to become possessed by a Rage demon, like Arl Eamon's kid. That's why she flipped out and attacked her fellow blood mage, who had previously saved her from the templars.

Orsino was actually the villain of the whole game. He was aiding the white lily killer because the passion of his life is stitching dead bodies together. He was keeping the tome of Koslun away from the Qunari until they were at their breaking point, so he'd have more bodies to work with. When you successfully killed all those templars, he freaked out at the opportunity to use their corpses to finally ascend into harvester-hood. His shadowy dealings are also why the kirkwall templars are so stupidly extreme: after finding several dead bodies skinned, flayed, and stitched together, anyone would start to freak out.

The Cullen we meet in DA][ isn't Cullen "massacre the mages" from DA:O. It's simply a common name.

Isabella continued to fear Castillon after slaying two mature male dragons, and felt that he was a greater threat than the Arishok, because... I can't think of anything to make this make sense. Anyone want to help me out here?

[Get Magna Carter]

The "No prixe" was originally a literal description of what people won for pointing out mistakes.
It changed to be a certificate (after people complained that nothing had arrived in the post) for offering explanations.
Of course Marvel had a lot of errors in some comics.
Take the issue of Kazar, in which the villain, having ended the previous issue demanding his pilot take them away before the police arrives is now objecting to the pilot trying to do that (the villain insists he's not afraid of the police)
The pilot does not look remotely similar to how he did in the previous issue (and his flying vehicle is signifficantly different).
Another character mentioned by name in the previous issue appears with a completely different name.
The savage land has apparantly relocated from one polar region to the other
etc

The discrepencies in Dragon Age don't come close

Modifié par Get Magna Carter, 26 juin 2011 - 11:39 .

[Fallstar]

rwscissors702 wrote...

Madame Nightingale. Liliana was killed in one of my play throughs, but there she is blushing at Isabela in front of Hawke. How is this possible? Feign death, Rogue ability. I killed her once too. You don't get to loot her corpse, because she wasn't dead.

One of my wardens beheaded her as a death animation...

[Plaintiff]

DuskWarden wrote...

rwscissors702 wrote...

Madame Nightingale. Liliana was killed in one of my play throughs, but there she is blushing at Isabela in front of Hawke. How is this possible? Feign death, Rogue ability. I killed her once too. You don't get to loot her corpse, because she wasn't dead.

One of my wardens beheaded her as a death animation...

She's really good at it.

[Abispa]

@ KnightOfPheonix -- Actually, I want to thank you. This thread was, in my sleep deprived mind, SUPPOSED to deal with specific badly written scenes and characters as well as continuity errors. I only ask that they be specific because I don't want this to become "this game sucks!" all over again.

[Abispa]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

Grace willingly allowed herself to become possessed by a Rage demon, like Arl Eamon's kid. That's why she flipped out and attacked her fellow blood mage, who had previously saved her from the templars.

Orsino was actually the villain of the whole game. He was aiding the white lily killer because the passion of his life is stitching dead bodies together. He was keeping the tome of Koslun away from the Qunari until they were at their breaking point, so he'd have more bodies to work with. When you successfully killed all those templars, he freaked out at the opportunity to use their corpses to finally ascend into harvester-hood. His shadowy dealings are also why the kirkwall templars are so stupidly extreme: after finding several dead bodies skinned, flayed, and stitched together, anyone would start to freak out.

The Cullen we meet in DA][ isn't Cullen "massacre the mages" from DA:O. It's simply a common name.

Isabella continued to fear Castillon after slaying two mature male dragons, and felt that he was a greater threat than the Arishok, because... I can't think of anything to make this make sense. Anyone want to help me out here?

Cullen is cool in both game, in my opinion, but I'm fine if that works for you.

As for Isabela and Castilon, um, well.... I think Isabela is always "afraid" to kill someone she might want to "use" later...