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[Ghost Lightning]

Ringo12 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote... the best games are coming out on Xbox 360 .

Shooters? No thank you for any console exclusives which tend to only be J-rpgs liek Ni No Kuni and Disgea I have my PS3 

Mass Effect was once a 360 exclusive once remember. But still, I wish people didn't care so much about exclusivity...and that nintendo would just stop making things...any things...forever.

[slimgrin]

I never got the accessories. I played games like Castlevania, Megaman, Zelda. These are the legacy of the NES. And yet Nintendo keeps churning out more silly gimmicks. Cracks me up. I hope the company doesn''t make it beyond next year, cause they're too stupid to realize that people grow up, most of their fanbase has moved on. No one wants to play Zelda forever.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:03 .

[silver_sparrow]

They're going to need a little more than an Ipad controler and HD graphics to get my money. :/

[Rockworm503]

LOL I must be crazy.
I was raised to not judge things on their cover. I didn't care for the Wii but the Wiiu might be different.
No nintendo made one console that we hate so they'll never ever make one that we like ever again.
NES
SNES
N64
even Gamecube
All moot because the Wii exists.
I still fire up my N64 from time to time because its that great.
Do I expect the Wiiu to be that great? No but I'm not going to jump on the hate wagon on a system thats still a year away from being released.
Also you call it a gimmick I call it what Sony and Microsoft will be stealing from them a year later.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[Chromie]

greengoron89 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote... the best games are coming out on Xbox 360 .

Shooters? No thank you for any console exclusives which tend to only be J-rpgs liek Ni No Kuni and Disgea I have my PS3 

LOL. PS3 has no shortage of exclusive shooters, so that argument is out the window.

Nah, I'll take Xbox 360 any day. PS3 has always been a little lacking in the games department, other than a few standout titles like Heavy Rain and the Uncharted trilogy.

Also, PS3 is missing out on more than just Xbox 360 exclusives - there are a number of titles the 360 and PC share that never make their way onto PS3 either.

But this isn't a PS3 vs. 360 debate - this topic is all about Nintendo and their latest gimmick.

All I said I use my PS3 for is Jrpgs and well blurays ofcourse.

Modifié par Ringo12, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Rockworm503]

Well thats kind of their biggest problem. 3rd party support. They are promising tons of it now and even EA is behind it. Dumb name and gimmicky controllers aside Nintendo's only shortcoming as of late has been 3rd party support and what I'm hearing that seems to be what they've been working on.

[chrisuuuu]

it's been a rule of thumb to never count out Nintendo. Here are facts:


www.vgchartz.com/article/3364/the-50-best-selling-console-games-of-this-decade-so-far/

1. Out of the top 10 selling games of the decade that just passed, ALL TOP 5 titles were from
Nintendo. In fact Nintendo has 9 of the top 10 titles in sales for that entire decade. They have 16 of the top
20 selling games for that entire decade.

2. The WII has outsold both the PS3 and Xbox 360.

3. Critics adore Nintendo. Super Mario Galaxy 2 has a 97 metacritic score, higher than EVERY Bethesda and Bioware title. Zelda: Ocarina of Time is even higher and has an astounding 99 metacritic score and is generally regarded by the industry at large as the greatest video game of all time and is always featured at the top or very near the top on just about every damn 100 games of all time list.

4. Nintendo single handedly resurrected the dead console video game market with the NES.

5. Shigeru Miyamoto (creator of Mario, Zelda, etc..) is considered one of the best ever. In fact, IGN put out a list of top 100 game creators of all time and Miyamoto was #1. Here is a video of other developers praising Miyamoto (including Bioware's own Ray Muzyka)

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:49 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I seriously don't understand how any sane person could be interested in the Wii U...I've been a long time Nintendo supporter and I still think this is one of the dumbest things Nintendo has done....coupled with the struggling 3DS I really can't say the Wii U is a smart move...especially since I have a feeling this year Sony/MS will announce their new consoles this spring, or the early prototypes for 2013 fall.

[slimgrin]

Never count them out? I suppose as long as 10 yr olds exist, Nintendo will have a market, and we'll have 'Zelda, legend of yet another 32 bit adventure.'

Myself, I'm interested in games that at least try to appeal to adults. Got tired of jumping on mushrooms years ago.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:49 .

[Rockworm503]

slimgrin wrote...

Never count them out? I suppose as long as 10 yr olds exist, Nintendo will have a market, and we'll have 'Zelda, legend of yet another 32 bit adventure.'

Myself, I'm interested in games that at least try to appeal to adults. Got tired of jumping on mushrooms years ago.

Yeah because if your not playing the witcher 2 your automatically a 10 year old.
You go on this lame posts about how you grew up past nintendo yet you just act like a child against it.
The mature response would be to say I don't care for Nintendo so this doesn't interest me.  But now gotta insult anyone who does show any interest.
You can ignore all the sales and rave reviews all you want but there's an audience for it and its not all just kids <_<

Modifié par Rockworm503, 18 décembre 2011 - 02:56 .

[chrisuuuu]

The same thing has been said of gaming on the iphone. I remember when everybody and their grandma would jeer at Apple when the iPad was released. Angry Birds? That stupid childish game would never sell.

I've seen more adults play Angry Birds than play these "mature" games you are alluding too.

iOS gaming has exploded and is taking market share from traditional games. And what type of games have dominated in sales on iPhone and Android? Doodle Jump, Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Bejeweled. Some of these games make Zelda look like Silent Hill.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 18 décembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[chrisuuuu]

greengoron89 wrote...

Well, I've always been more of a Plants vs. Zombies man myself - but I digress.

No, Nintendo does seem to be losing a little bit of steam as of late - the last decade might have fared well enough for them, but I'm not so sure it will last, especially if the 3DS and Wii U bomb.

We shall see soon enough, I suppose.

The 3DS is on life support, and the Vita will be DOA. There's absolutely nothing stopping this iOS/Android juggernaut. When analysts are calling for 280 million iOS devices to be sold in 2012, that's a whole lot of potential gamers for Angry Birds Deluxe Miami Platinum.
http://news.cnet.com...claims-analyst/
And that's not even including Android devices, which has seen skyrocketing numbers in sales too. The WII U, I'll just wait and see.

Apple is having a harder time gaining traction in China, but the potential is staggering. China has more than 950 MILLION MOBILE PHONE USERS. That's a ton of Angry Birds and moolah though selling apps might prove difficult considering piracy is so rampant there.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 18 décembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

chrisuuuu wrote...

The same thing has been said of gaming on the iphone. I remember when everybody and their grandma would jeer at Apple when the iPad was released. Angry Birds? That stupid childish game would never sell.

I've seen more adults play Angry Birds than play these "mature" games you are alluding too.

iOS gaming has exploded and is taking market share from traditional games. And what type of games have dominated in sales on iPhone and Android? Doodle Jump, Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Bejeweled. Some of these games make Zelda look like Silent Hill.

Although you are right in the sense that what you are saying with respect to casual games is true, there is a bit of distinction, these are casual and shovelware games more or less, with success on a platform basis as well as marketing to casual/general public. On a serious note, I think it is these consumers and this marketing direction which is bad overall for gaming and is resulting in reduced quality from everyone across the board for games...with some exceptions (tips hat at Skyrim, may be hope for gaming after all).

[chrisuuuu]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

The same thing has been said of gaming on the iphone. I remember when everybody and their grandma would jeer at Apple when the iPad was released. Angry Birds? That stupid childish game would never sell.

I've seen more adults play Angry Birds than play these "mature" games you are alluding too.

iOS gaming has exploded and is taking market share from traditional games. And what type of games have dominated in sales on iPhone and Android? Doodle Jump, Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Bejeweled. Some of these games make Zelda look like Silent Hill.

Although you are right in the sense that what you are saying with respect to casual games is true, there is a bit of distinction, these are casual and shovelware games more or less, with success on a platform basis as well as marketing to casual/general public. On a serious note, I think it is these consumers and this marketing direction which is bad overall for gaming and is resulting in reduced quality from everyone across the board for games...with some exceptions (tips hat at Skyrim, may be hope for gaming after all).

I agree but it's a sign of the times and not changing anytime soon. With so many distractions nowadays, people are finding less time to concentrate on just one game, that's why you see these pick up and play games on iOS exploding in popularity. I would never say I enjoyed Cut the Rope more than my console library. But like so many of my buddies, we find convenience is king and anything that can provide little chunks of gaming on the go will have to do.

Cell phone tech is evolving so fast, that I'm afraid the Vita's specs will get surpassed in a couple of months if it already hasn't right outside the box. With iOS and Android getting some well known developers on board (Ubisoft, Capcom, etc) it's only a matter of time before dedicated portable gaming devices will be totally obsolete. Why should I buy a portable that can play games when I can buy a portable that plays games, makes calls, send email, create spreadsheets, give gps directions, and a whole array of other features. And you have to factor in cost, we just got out of the greatest downturn in decades. With a few exceptions the entire world is f'd up financially. Here in the states, almost every economist is pegging gdp growth at a paltry 2-3% a year for the forseeble future. Suddenly that $.99 game looks way more enticing than a $60 one.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 18 décembre 2011 - 03:36 .

[slimgrin]

Nintendo, who has created an entire market on casual gamers, is going to get swallowed up by casual gaming on handhelds and other platforms. And their only answer is yet another gimmick. It won't work.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 décembre 2011 - 03:27 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

chrisuuuu wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

The same thing has been said of gaming on the iphone. I remember when everybody and their grandma would jeer at Apple when the iPad was released. Angry Birds? That stupid childish game would never sell.

I've seen more adults play Angry Birds than play these "mature" games you are alluding too.

iOS gaming has exploded and is taking market share from traditional games. And what type of games have dominated in sales on iPhone and Android? Doodle Jump, Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Bejeweled. Some of these games make Zelda look like Silent Hill.

Although you are right in the sense that what you are saying with respect to casual games is true, there is a bit of distinction, these are casual and shovelware games more or less, with success on a platform basis as well as marketing to casual/general public. On a serious note, I think it is these consumers and this marketing direction which is bad overall for gaming and is resulting in reduced quality from everyone across the board for games...with some exceptions (tips hat at Skyrim, may be hope for gaming after all).

I agree but it's a sign of the times and not changing anytime soon. With so many distractions nowadays, people are finding less time to concentrate on just one game, that's why you see these pick up and play games on iOS exploding in popularity. I would never say I enjoyed Cut the Rope more than my console library. But like so many of my buddies, we find convenience is king and anything that can provide little chunks of gaming on the go will have to do.

As with anything in life, you have to make the time to sit down and play a great game. I too find less and less time, I've got literally dozens of games I've just got sitting around with no real gametime on it, but again the quality isn't there, the design is different and simply not comparible, and marketing to the masses is destroying the niche which videogaming was (see 1990s...high time for gaming imo..into early 200X, our best hope is that freeware forces devs out of the casual market), thus studios will again focus on large scale and high quality products as opposed to cash grabs...

But I do understand everything you are saying (I know it is happening too), I just think it is all bull**** and it saddens me video-gaming has changed so much in so little a time (then again in terms of its existence it hasn't been that long)

[Rockworm503]

slimgrin wrote...

Nintendo, who has created an entire market on casual gamers, is going to get swallowed up by casual gaming on handhelds and other platforms. And their only answer is yet another gimmick. It won't work.

*sigh I think your just trying to goad me so I wont bother.  Just gonna say that the exact same thing was said about the Wii.

[chrisuuuu]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

The same thing has been said of gaming on the iphone. I remember when everybody and their grandma would jeer at Apple when the iPad was released. Angry Birds? That stupid childish game would never sell.

I've seen more adults play Angry Birds than play these "mature" games you are alluding too.

iOS gaming has exploded and is taking market share from traditional games. And what type of games have dominated in sales on iPhone and Android? Doodle Jump, Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Bejeweled. Some of these games make Zelda look like Silent Hill.

Although you are right in the sense that what you are saying with respect to casual games is true, there is a bit of distinction, these are casual and shovelware games more or less, with success on a platform basis as well as marketing to casual/general public. On a serious note, I think it is these consumers and this marketing direction which is bad overall for gaming and is resulting in reduced quality from everyone across the board for games...with some exceptions (tips hat at Skyrim, may be hope for gaming after all).

I agree but it's a sign of the times and not changing anytime soon. With so many distractions nowadays, people are finding less time to concentrate on just one game, that's why you see these pick up and play games on iOS exploding in popularity. I would never say I enjoyed Cut the Rope more than my console library. But like so many of my buddies, we find convenience is king and anything that can provide little chunks of gaming on the go will have to do.

As with anything in life, you have to make the time to sit down and play a great game. I too find less and less time, I've got literally dozens of games I've just got sitting around with no real gametime on it, but again the quality isn't there, the design is different and simply not comparible, and marketing to the masses is destroying the niche which videogaming was (see 1990s...high time for gaming imo..into early 200X, our best hope is that freeware forces devs out of the casual market), thus studios will again focus on large scale and high quality products as opposed to cash grabs...

But I do understand everything you are saying (I know it is happening too), I just think it is all bull**** and it saddens me video-gaming has changed so much in so little a time (then again in terms of its existence it hasn't been that long)

It's sad, and I miss the heyday gaming of the 90s. You have CoD and it's clones utterly hijacking the industry and Apple's marketing muscle transforming the industry with $.99 - $4.99 gaming apps. I'm too lazy to find the link, but I read somewhere that they did some study and found that game completion rate is like at an all time low or something to that effect.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Rockworm503 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Nintendo, who has created an entire market on casual gamers, is going to get swallowed up by casual gaming on handhelds and other platforms. And their only answer is yet another gimmick. It won't work.

*sigh I think your just trying to goad me so I wont bother.  Just gonna say that the exact same thing was said about the Wii.

Although not to intrude on the debate, he does have a point, that casual gaming is pretty much the main reason for the Wii's success (a combination of pricepoint and broad range of titles). Of course you will always have those loyal to the Nintendo titles, but as with the gamecube as proof, their numbers are lesser than what can be attributed to the Wii's.

And with casual gaming market from iPads and everything else increasing as well as the general Kinect,PSMove,Wii (the original) I have a feeling the Wii U won't do nearly as well as you are thinking it will...well, lets put it this way, it won't do as well as the Wii for certain. Its like the 3D TV relative to the regular HD TV (with Wii U and Wii respectively, why should the general consumer upgrade?) Anyhow I've wasted enough time this evening lol, cheers.