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[Nerevar-as]

But that´s not for certain. With the data we have so far, BM is not the Dark Side of the Force, just another way to power up magic and control others.

To OP, that scene crosses the line between cute naive and complete idiot to me. IMHO Merrill is constantly crossing that line, is the reason I don´t like her as much as other characters. Even so, she´s still the only LI I could romance.

[Zeratul20]

Nerevar-as wrote...

But that´s not for certain. With the data we have so far, BM is not the Dark Side of the Force, just another way to power up magic and control others.

To OP, that scene crosses the line between cute naive and complete idiot to me. IMHO Merrill is constantly crossing that line, is the reason I don´t like her as much as other characters. Even so, she´s still the only LI I could romance.

Except that it technically requires you to consort with demons, who have a strong urge to possess you, if you slip up. (Though some doubt still remains concerning that, thanks to Merrill.)

[Robhuzz]

Gotta love Merrill for saying things like that. This one also made me laugh:

Merrill: I would like to know more about being a guard, Aveline.
Aveline: I don't think that's the job for you.
Merrill: I know, but it might help me not get caught.
Aveline: You probably shouldn't have said that part.
Merrill: Why?
Aveline: Just... never mind.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 28 juin 2011 - 11:23 .

[Rrend]

Foolsfolly wrote...

He's a terrorist with no plans for the future. He's got a massive chip on his shoulders and murders innocents to prove a broken point:

Mages aren't dangerous and deserve to be treated as human beings, now watch me blow up the organization that feeds and shelters orphans, helps the poor, and has remained stubbornly neutral in this storyline so far...

It's just...I don't like it. They took a carefree funny guy and turned him into a madman with ambitions but no follow-through. It's not even like it had the desired affect...unless Anders just wanted wanton slaughter through the streets.

/signed

[Rrend]

Robhuzz wrote...

Gotta love Merrill for saying things like that. This one also made me laugh:

Merrill: I would like to know more about being a guard, Aveline.
Aveline: I don't think that's the job for you.
Merrill: I know, but it might help me not get caught.
Aveline: You probably shouldn't have said that part.
Merrill: Why?
Aveline: Just... never mind.

LOL!!!  Many of the side conversations are hilarious.  I wish I played slower... usually they end up getting cut off by an area transition or a fight.

[Nerevar-as]

Zeratul20 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

But that´s not for certain. With the data we have so far, BM is not the Dark Side of the Force, just another way to power up magic and control others.

To OP, that scene crosses the line between cute naive and complete idiot to me. IMHO Merrill is constantly crossing that line, is the reason I don´t like her as much as other characters. Even so, she´s still the only LI I could romance.

Except that it technically requires you to consort with demons, who have a strong urge to possess you, if you slip up. (Though some doubt still remains concerning that, thanks to Merrill.)

Jowan learned form a book, so I don´t know about the demon thing. Tevinters are said to have learned from the OG, but it´s the Chantry who says it, so who knows.

I don´t think Merrill was particularly stupid in her demon dealings. She knew the risks, unlike Anders she also knew to be careful with any kind of spirit, and was aware what restoring the Eluvian might cost her. What she never considered was that others would choose to pay the price for her. On the other side Flemeth warned her her eyes were closed, but trusting Flemeth is about as intelligent as trusting a demon, so who knows.

[Hatchetman77]

Skyplant wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If they make Merrill evil in DA3, I will rage harder than a Rage Demon using the Pokemon moves Rage, Fury Swipes, and Thrash.


@Foolsfolly: What about Varric?

If she is back that's definitely what will happen though, she's too flirty with demons to not be possessed and destroy thedas.

I don't think she'll be back as a companion but I also don't think they'll turn her evil.  Well, actually scratch that, after all the missteps in story BioWare made in DA2 mabey they WILL make her evil.  She's much more effective as a repentant character trying to do right.  I see her ending up in the Brecillian Forest, either helping the werewolves and the lady of the forest if the elves were killed in Origins or helping the great oak take care of some insanely powerful magical mcguffin in the forest that is driving the other trees mad. 

Of course I see DA3 being a globetrotting adventure with Isabella's ship acting as the Normandy did in Mass Effect and Hawke sailing all over the world on quests. 

[Sajuro]

I bet she would be cute even if she was evil, you couldn't go wrong with that voice.

[FieryDove]

Skyplant wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If they make Merrill evil in DA3, I will rage harder than a Rage Demon using the Pokemon moves Rage, Fury Swipes, and Thrash.


@Foolsfolly: What about Varric?

If she is back that's definitely what will happen though, she's too flirty with demons to not be possessed and destroy thedas.

I think pride demon, she doesn't rage well enough for a rage demon.

[ShadyKat]

Yeah Merill was cute and adorable, while being borderline retarded at the same time. Still ended up liking her, any way.

[Agamo45]

Merril must be one of the stupidest characters in the whole game. I never understood why the game didn't let me turn on Merril and allow her to be lynched by her clan. You can betray Isabela and Fenris, why not Merril? Instead, I'm forced to wipe out the entire clan unless I take responsibility for Merril's stupidity and evil.

Modifié par Agamo45, 30 juin 2011 - 11:35 .

[Davillo]

kinda of topic but if I imported a dalish warden from origins does it change anything for meriil, does she atleast acknowledge that ye dude from my clan is the hero of ferelden or something ?

[dragonflight288]

She has some side banter with other party members, like Anders about Dalish Hero of Ferelden and how they knew him/her.

[CitizenThom]

Foolsfolly wrote...

He's a terrorist with no plans for the future. He's got a massive chip on his shoulders and murders innocents to prove a broken point:

Mages aren't dangerous and deserve to be treated as human beings, now watch me blow up the organization that feeds and shelters orphans, helps the poor, and has remained stubbornly neutral in this storyline so far...

It's just...I don't like it. They took a carefree funny guy and turned him into a madman with ambitions but no follow-through. It's not even like it had the desired affect...unless Anders just wanted wanton slaughter through the streets.

I agree there was a bit of a change in Anders. He was one of the better characters in Awakening... but he wasn't the same in DA2. I barely used him in my first playthrough of DA2, eventhough he was pretty constant as a member of my Awakenings party.

[DVDuck]

On topic: II really glad they had someone like Merrill in the story. He add a nice sense of nativity. For me at least.

Off-Topic: I read someone stating the chantry sent out the seekers to seek hawke. Isn't that false? I remember Varric stating that the templars and seeker broke off from the chantry completely, thus they seekers were looking for hawke for their own accord?

[HSHAW]

Agamo45 wrote...

Merril must be one of the stupidest characters in the whole game. I never understood why the game didn't let me turn on Merril and allow her to be lynched by her clan. You can betray Isabela and Fenris, why not Merril? Instead, I'm forced to wipe out the entire clan unless I take responsibility for Merril's stupidity and evil.

step 1: Hawke betrays Merill

step 2: Merill uses blood boil

step 3: Hawke and the clan die

step 4: Cassandra calls Varric out on lying and you have to redo the scene

[MinotaurWarrior]

You know, I really wish they had done something like that for a lot of scenes in the game. Try to kill sister Petrice? Unwinnable fight with a hundred Templar Hunters.

[Porenferser]

I still didn't manage to kill that stupid (whatever)

Modifié par Porenferser, 02 juillet 2011 - 12:04 .

[Vinix Tea]

ShadyKat wrote...

Yeah Merill was cute and adorable, while being borderline retarded at the same time. Still ended up liking her, any way.

I felt the same way. It almost feels like a trick. They made her so absolutely loveable, and funny, but just kind of... blatantly stupid at times? Basically, there are times when I adore her, and times where my head meets my desk repetetively. And another thing that bothers me is that she's not a very strong character, even though her clan spues a neverending fountain of hate her way. I understand how that could make her more needy and vulnerable, but she's not even a little guarded. It just irks me a little, I guess. ;
If Merrill returns in DA3, I really hope she is a more hardened character. And based on the options; Marethari dying and her clan either attacking her, or just hating her even more, I don't see her being any other way. 

[LobselVith8]

Agamo45 wrote...

Merril must be one of the stupidest characters in the whole game. I never understood why the game didn't let me turn on Merril and allow her to be lynched by her clan. You can betray Isabela and Fenris, why not Merril? Instead, I'm forced to wipe out the entire clan unless I take responsibility for Merril's stupidity and evil.

The clan commits suicide by Hawke when they foolishly decide to murder Hawke and Merrill for telling them the truth about Marethari being foolish enough to accept a demon into her body based on her speculation alone. There was no evidence, no proof, that Audacity was going to use the Eluvian to enter the real world, and it was all in Marethari's head. Honestly, it seems more like Audacity played Marethari than Merrill - I wouldn't be surprised if Marethari was Audacity's real goal the whole time.

As for Merrill, she knows her intellect countless times - her proficiently with ordinary magic and blood magic, never becoming an abomination, being able to tell whether Keran is possessed, being able to distinquish what type of demon resides in the Profane Abomination, and understanding that all spirits are dangerous. And I don't see what's evil about a character who wants to improve the lives of the elves across Thedas, since the People have been without a kingdom for centuries.

Merrill being in Kirkwall was a Dalish elf who had little to no knowledge about human culture dealing with it for the first time, so she dealt with culture shock. It's not surprising, especially if she had not been accustomed to the Common Tongue with other humans and only learned it from the Dalish Keeper and speaking with the other elves.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 02 juillet 2011 - 01:12 .

[In Exile]

River5 wrote...
However,
given the limitations of the gameplay, and the very little support I
was able to provide Anders, I thought that him going after the ROOT of
the problem (the Chantry's control over the population) instead of
attacking the symptom (Meredith, the Templars, and/or the Circle) was
the smartest thing one could have done in an effort to bring some long
lasting change to the world.

This is like saying you want to overthrow the Catholic Church in the 13th century. You are quite literally talking about destroying a religious institution which the majority of Thedas holds sacrosant. This scenario is mages vs. everyone, and the end result might be no more Circles, but only because the more ferverent of the Chantry will just execute every mage they can get their hands on.

[DKJaigen]

Foolsfolly wrote...

However,
given the limitations of the gameplay, and the very little support I
was able to provide Anders, I thought that him going after the ROOT of
the problem (the Chantry's control over the population) instead of
attacking the symptom (Meredith, the Templars, and/or the Circle) was
the smartest thing one could have done in an effort to bring some long
lasting change to the world.

The Chantry isn't the enemy. Even if in the unlikely event that everyone casts down the Chantry distrust of mages is deeper than that. If not the Chantry some organization will rise to put down the threat of mages.

People fear what they don't understand and it's quite clear that your average Joe in Thedas fears mages. Even some of the more exceptional characters like the Arishok fears mages.

The chantry is the enemy. Because of their incompetence the entire world will suffer greatly in the coming mage- templar wars. And the mistrust for the mages is aggravvated not reduced. So when the mages strike at them its not killing of innocence its just a form justice.

Furthemore if you havent noticed but the chantry is involved in more crimes against humanity then the mages .

the dissolution of the dales? war against pagans? mass murder on qun converted humans? WTF dude the chantry is responsible for some of the greatest ****ups in history. If you the so called innocent of the chantry i do so for justice for the mages the elves the pagans and all the others the chantry have killed

[Foolsfolly]

The chantry is the enemy. Because of their incompetence the entire world will suffer greatly in the coming mage- templar wars.

Because of their incompetence all of Thedas is free from the shackles of the Magister Lords. Because of their incompetence orphans and the homeless are taken care of. Because of their incompetence mages are placed in the Circle where they learn how to master their magic instead of being killed by townsfolk who fear them as witches.

Welcome to organized religion. For every good they do there's two bads. Just look at our own.

[FieryDove]

LobselVith8 wrote...

As for Merrill, she knows her intellect countless times - her proficiently with ordinary magic and blood magic, never becoming an abomination, being able to tell whether Keran is possessed, being able to distinquish what type of demon resides in the Profane Abomination, and understanding that all spirits are dangerous. And I don't see what's evil about a character who wants to improve the lives of the elves across Thedas, since the People have been without a kingdom for centuries.

Merrill is one companion you can hate to love or love to hate or something.

There would be nothing wrong with her wanting to help her clan but the way she goes on about it is all "The Dalish will die next week if the past is not recovered now! Oh noes!

Really that's how it comes across to me.

If she really was all that intelligent about spirits/demons etc, she would never have started fooling with one nor make a deal with the other one in the quest *night terrors*. If she had been the one stuck in the nightmare she would have come out tranquil. She betrayed Hawke because of the "fate of her people" see again there it is all dalish will die without the past...need magic mirror. bah

The old Merrill seemed much more mature and self-assured. I don't think that Merrill would have been so foolish.

The new Merrill can be very cute and adorable but also very foolish and unless you rival her she continues thinking she is right and the whole world including her clan and keeper are wrong. Just makes me go...