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[Skirata129]

Seboist wrote...

Takio wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

Koji-san wrote...

Kaiden?! No sir..I let him burn. No hippy Elvis is gonna get in my FemShep's armor!

Damn straight! Zaeed is the PERFECT choice for renegade femsheps everywhere and Bioware failed us all...hopefully they correct that mistake in 3 somehow.

What do you expect for a DLC Character? I wanted to tap Kasumi, but no dice. 

When it comes to LI, Zaeed and Kasumi > Miranda and Jacob.

eh...I have to disagree. miranda tops kasumi.

literally, I think. like, if they had a relationship, miranda would be on top.

Modifié par Skirata129, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[Seboist]

The problem with Miranda is the inconsistent characterization and suddenly becoming Paragonized in the ending. That hurts her being a good Renegade Manshep LI.

And Miranda being on top of Kasumi? That would be.... a nice sight.

[Sepewrath]

Seboist wrote...

The problem with Miranda is the inconsistent characterization and suddenly becoming Paragonized in the ending. That hurts her being a good Renegade Manshep LI.

And Miranda being on top of Kasumi? That would be.... a nice sight.

Well I don't know what you consider paragon, but two people don't have to believe the same thing about everything to be compatible.

[Seboist]

Sepewrath wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The problem with Miranda is the inconsistent characterization and suddenly becoming Paragonized in the ending. That hurts her being a good Renegade Manshep LI.

And Miranda being on top of Kasumi? That would be.... a nice sight.

Well I don't know what you consider paragon, but two people don't have to believe the same thing about everything to be compatible.

When Miranda justifies experiments on husks on the basis of "they were already dead" but doesn't apply the same logic to keeping the Collector base then something is up. It's a clear cut case of inconsistent writing and character assassination among others that she endured in ME2.

[Sepewrath]

Seboist wrote...
When Miranda justifies experiments on husks on the basis of "they were already dead" but doesn't apply the same logic to keeping the Collector base then something is up. It's a clear cut case of inconsistent writing and character assassination among others that she endured in ME2.

Well not to derail this topic, but notice she said "seeing it first hand..." There is a big difference between saying something is fine and defendable, when you look at it from the outside and doing it personally. She watched people get turned to slurry herself, the people from her team or crew potentially die who came on a mission to destroy the place. There's a big difference from saying what others do is fine and doing it yourself. Its like saying its fine to kill someone who invades your home, when someone else does it. But when, your tasked with doing it yourself, easier said than done.

[Seboist]

Sepewrath wrote...

Seboist wrote...
When Miranda justifies experiments on husks on the basis of "they were already dead" but doesn't apply the same logic to keeping the Collector base then something is up. It's a clear cut case of inconsistent writing and character assassination among others that she endured in ME2.

Well not to derail this topic, but notice she said "seeing it first hand..." There is a big difference between saying something is fine and defendable, when you look at it from the outside and doing it personally. She watched people get turned to slurry herself, the people from her team or crew potentially die who came on a mission to destroy the place. There's a big difference from saying what others do is fine and doing it yourself. Its like saying its fine to kill someone who invades your home, when someone else does it. But when, your tasked with doing it yourself, easier said than done.

This is the same woman who labeled the Lazarus workers as "expendable", calls Veetor a "blabbering idiot" and uses deadpan humor right after gunning down Niket and Wilson. This is also the same woman who's been a longtime Cerberus operative and has risen up in rank to the point of having the honor to meet TIM in person.

In short, that explanation doesn't jive with what we've been presented.

Kasumi and Zaeed have more consistent characterization than her despite being DLC and that's freaking sad.

[flemm]

Seboist wrote...


Kasumi and Zaeed have more consistent characterization than her despite being DLC and that's freaking sad.

I think it's more that Miranda is complex, with nuances that evolve over the course of the game, whereas you prefer the character as initially presented. Perfect consistency is not even the goal, as people do not really behave like that, and it leaves little room for growth.

Modifié par flemm, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:08 .

[Sepewrath]

Well the Veetor thing is a terrible example, both Niket and Wilson are both traitors, who almost got her killed, so those are also terrible examples. The closest thing to have there to making a point is the Lazarus workers, but it would actually mesh with what I said. Like she said, the point of the project was to bring Shepard back and the hell with everyone else there. And the mission was to stop the Collectors and destroy all traces of them for what they did, not to pick up where they left off. You have yet to give any example of inconsistency.

[HogarthHughes 3]

 In regards to this Miranda thing, I'll just quote myself from another thread.

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Miranda is another character that I changed my opinion of after spending some time with her, but in the opposite direction.  Supposed ice queen who is happy to suggest mind controlling Shepard in order to ensure Cerberus benefits from their investment, then she turns around and opens up about daddy/self-esteem issues the second conversation with her (after already miraculously being quite friendly in the first aboard the Normandy).  The thing that really made me lose interest in Miranda as a character though is her sudden change of heart in the Collector Base.  I can understand many of the other characters lack of faith in TIM, or their unwillingness to cross much in the way of ethical boundaries, but Miranda?  

The "Cerberus cheerleader" who apparently must have no idea what Cerberus' modus operandi is.  Murdering Alliance Admirals?  All good.  What about political or religious leaders who don't fall in line with the goals of Cerberus?  No problem there.  Experiments to manipulate husks (remember they're mutilated and defiled corpses) into becoming shock troops for Cerberus rather than the Reapers?  Hell yeah!  What about murdering thousands of children to produce a few biotics because TIM feels that they're necessary for humanity's future?  Why not eh?  Oh but preserving technology that was used to murder innocent people in a horrific way in order to learn more about the mecha-Cthulhu-space-cuddlefish (or at least the technology of their minions) that are very likely going to wipe out all life in the known galaxy?  Well that just feels like a betrayal!  People died in there y'know!    

True Miranda likely doesn't know everything I listed, but being so high up in Cerberus as to be in the same room as TIM (as something other than a consort ) could she really be so ignorant?  Or was she just fooling herself all along, she never really believed in Cerberus and had only stuck with them for protection from her father (or perhaps a sense of belonging/purpose)?  Perhaps I'm simply overthinking it and should just chalk it up to an out-of-character moment and ignore it, but I don't like doing that.  If the character did it, then they did it.

Anyways, to be marginally on-topic:  Zaeed is awesome and my 2nd favorite squadmate in ME2 (after Garrus).

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:32 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Why is there no Zaeed on this page?

[Xilizhra]

Or was she just fooling herself all along, she never really believed in Cerberus and had only stuck with them for protection from her father (or perhaps a sense of belonging/purpose)?

This seems likely. I don't believe she was ever as devoutly attached to Cerberus as she liked to think she was.

[Seboist]

Hogarth hit the nail on the head.

On topic, fanart of a femshep who left Kaidan for Zaeed.

[Dave of Canada]

On the topic of Miranda, I'd feel more comfortable about her loyalty shift if they at the very least hinted at it throughout the game. As it stands, she's fiercely devoted and then switches because it's funny.

That or it made no sense if she was still loyal to TIM that she'd let Shepard destroy the base, so rather than letting players have to fight her they decided "Consequences? What's that!" and made her loyalty shift.

[HurricaneGinger]

Please please please don't bring Miranda up. I don't want to be a troll...don't make me a troll. Hogarth is right about her, and that is ALL I am going to say on the subject.

BACK TO ZAEED PLZ.

Seboist wrote...

Hogarth hit the nail on the head.

On topic, fanart of a femshep who left Kaidan for Zaeed.

If Zaeed became an LI in ME3...I'd gladly ignore the fact I can get back together with Kaidan. Booyah.

Anyways, question: Did we ever figure out how exactly Zaeed survived being shot in the head? Cybernetics are a given, but did one of his men maybe drag his body away to the nearest clinic or...something?

[Dave of Canada]

Rage is a hell of an anaesthetic.

[Seboist]

My canon femshep would have gladly dumped Kaidan for Zaeed in an instant as opposed to having to choose Kelly instead of the three clowns we get for a full fledged "romance".

[HogarthHughes 3]

PhantomGinger wrote...

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If Zaeed became an LI in ME3...I'd gladly ignore the fact I can get back together with Kaidan. Booyah.

Anyways, question: Did we ever figure out how exactly Zaeed survived being shot in the head? Cybernetics are a given, but did one of his men maybe drag his body away to the nearest clinic or...something?

I'll bet that either a Blue Suns mercernary with a bit of guilt or some random passerby helped him get care.  Unless he wasn't even shot in the brain, though I suspect that Vido would be able to tell if he was only injured in that case.  It wouldn't matter how little pain he felt if his brain was torn to shreds, so maybe he was only shot in the cheek (kinda where that big scar is).

[naledgeborn]

 Kaidan looks like a **** in that picture. I kind of feel sorry fot him.

[Tup3x]

Zaeed is indeed awesome! I hope that we see him in ME3 too.

[Koji-san]

I love the action screenies you guys get where FemShep and Zaeed are gunning down baddies together. The perfect date!

Oh yes and if anybody brings up another character for more than 3 posts again, they will suffer the fan-girling of myself over Shoker. So seriously, don't go there. I could give a crap about Miranda and Kaiden but they have their own threads in other places and that's cool.

Also, DLCs can be LIs. See Sebastian (even though that romance was an angry-maker). They have one last chance to get this right in ME3

[Battlepope190]

PhantomGinger wrote...


Anyways, question: Did we ever figure out how exactly Zaeed survived being shot in the head? Cybernetics are a given, but did one of his men maybe drag his body away to the nearest clinic or...something?

Because he's so goddamn cool, he likely just got up and walked his ass to the nearest clinic, lol.

[JRCHOharry]

PhantomGinger wrote...

Anyways, question: Did we ever figure out how exactly Zaeed survived being shot in the head? Cybernetics are a given, but did one of his men maybe drag his body away to the nearest clinic or...something?

I don't think Zaeed had any influence left in the blue suns by the time he got shot in the head, so I doubt it was one of the mercs who saved him. My guess is that Jessie, his loyal gun, dragged him out of the mud and carried him to a nearest clinic.


Yep.

[Nyreen]

I read this thread as "Rape is a hell of an anesthetic."

[Skirata129]

Celestina wrote...

I read this thread as "Rape is a hell of an anesthetic."

I highly doubt it would be?

[Zakatak757]

Seboist wrote...
And Miranda being on top of Kasumi? That would be.... a nice sight.

I'm going to sleep well tonight.