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[DefiLeRz]

(If this thread sounds redundant / you've heard this before, I apologize, I just can't find my answers. Thank you)

I only played ARPGs until now, and this game just blows my mind. But I'm also extremely confused about how to actually play/enjoy this game. I don't know anything about the D&D system and I'm not sure what do I need to know about it to understand the gameplay mechanics in NWN2.  Also, does normal difficulty detract from the experience ? Should I bump it higher ? I'd wish, but without a guide, I just don't know how can I enter this world. I tried google and gamefaqs, but they don't explay the D&D part, which for me at least seems to play a large part in the game.  The bottom line is, I don't want to play it blindly, I  NEED  to know what the beep is going on A large list of guides about D&D and the game itself would have been welcomed as stickies (and I couldn't find any here.. maybe I missed them ?).

I would love to get into this type of games, but I can't find the resources. So, anyone can point me in the right direction ? I just want the links/websites/wikis..

Also, I seemed to have encountered a bug: trying to save the game outside the 'home town' gives a 'insufficient harddisk space' error, when I have enough space on all my partitions (I have 600 MBs where NWN2 saves). Any insight into this as well would mean the world to me. I'm patched to the latest version and have no expansions.

Thanks for reading and hoping to hear from you guys soon..  I really want to enjoy this game, and I understood any game's mechanics until now (and if I didn't, I researched).. this one is a little harder without community support   These kind of games don't seem very popular/commercial and I just can't find proper reading material. Please don't condemn me to play the rubbish which they call 'games' these days..

Have a nice day ><

[kamal_]

All you could want to know.
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Though really just playing the game and enjoying things will teach you a lot as well. And welcome!

Modifié par kamal_, 26 juin 2011 - 06:05 .

[Lugaid of the Red Stripes]

www.dandwiki.com

The learning curve can seem steep at first, but most of the complexity comes from the magic system, and the different magic effects and saves. Just start with a melee type character, and then ease yourself into the magic side of things.

[Shallina]

The save is made in the documment diretory in the windows installation.

[DefiLeRz]

The NWN2 wiki started to shed some light on things I still got a lot to read though ^^ Keep them coming guys, they will be all read..

@Shallina Yes, I found them in "My Documents\\Neverwinter Nights 2". Care to share why does the insufficient space bug happen ? I'm on XP btw.

[The Fred]

Welcome thread (has some links and stuff).

DefiLeRz wrote...
I don't know anything about the D&D system and I'm not sure what do I need to know about it to understand the gameplay mechanics in NWN2.

Someone suggested a list of abbreviations or something and a sticky like that would've been useful, but I don't think it was ever made. The truth is, though, that to play the Original Campaign (OC), you don't need to know all that much. You'd have to build your characters pretty seriously wrong so as not to be able to play it through. That said, it's worth bearing in mind a few basics:

1) Thankfully, most things in 3rd Ed are better higher, making a lot of things obvious. If you have a +1 bonus to something, that's probably good (hence it's called a bonus).

2) A higher Armour class (AC), which can be gained from armour, shields, and a variety of magical items, spells and special effects, makes you harder to hit. If you have Damage Reduction (DR), that's even better because it actually soaks up damage when you do get hit.

3) A higher Attack Bonus makes you more likely to hit other people. If you are playing a fighter-type, you want to get your attack and damage as high as possible. If you are playing a spellcaster, you don't really need this that much since you'll have spells, but that's a whole different kettle of fish.

4) Saving throws are used to resist bad effects. If someone casts a spell on you, you usually get a saving throw which lets you ignore it if you are successful. Most damaging spells let you make a reflex save which will let you take only half damage, but a lot of debilitating ones can be resisted completely. If you have higher saving throw scores, you are more likely to resist these effects, which is important when fighting casters (they won't be attacking you, so your AC is not much good there).

If you're stuck on anything specific, your best bet is just to ask, if you can't find the answers on the wiki. It kind of depends on what character you're playing, though - a spellcaster has to get to grips with a different bunch of things to a melee fighter.

[NWN DM]

Well, you get the insufficient space message when you have... you know... insufficient space on the HD.

[kevL]

hi Def,

in addition to what kamal_ & LotRS (and everyone has) said, read J.R.R.Tolkien .. jk, kinda

Should you pump up the difficulty? heck yah!! Above 'normal' is 'hardcore' then 'very difficult' - hardcore is the realistic setting, in that they can do to you what you do to them.

But it depends on whether you're going to Pause a lot (spacebar) and Puppet around the companions yourself (toggle AI, near Rest button). Or let things run realtime .. (check your Options->keymapping to get a gist for ingame commmands)

- most things are based on d20 and the numbers you see are usually modifiers to a d20 roll.

Banshe has a great introduction with lots of links to the forums; browsing the Stickies should give an idea of what we're up to 'round these parts.


i'll 2nd the nwn2.wikia.com site for general information, and 2nd a suggestion to start with a melee character. The Original Campaign, if you're going to even play that, can be frustrating (with the ability to mod the game comes bugs!) but it will also introduce a wide set of Companions that can be mucked around with to learn about Leveling, Feats, Skills, Spells, etc.

ps. a save is (roughly) between 5 - 100 mb so don't know what's up there; you could load NwN2 w/ the following shortcut:

"F:\\Neverwinter Nights 2\\nwn2main.exe" -home F:\\nwn2_Clean <-- adjust for your system (quotations needed for paths w/ spaces).

Start in: "F:\\Neverwinter Nights 2", no Compatibility stuff (i'm running XP too, i think the game was made for xp). That should create a new "home" directory, in this case 'F:\\nwn2_Clean' - tell it to do its voodoo on a bigger drive if there is one! & Are you playing as an Administrator w/ full write privileges?


As soon as you get moddie-adventurous, load up TonyK's AI and Kaedrin's PrC Pack, from the Vault. Then see Essential Add-On's and Hak's

pps. since the Search on these forums doesn't work .. and Google picks up new pages fast, preface searches at Google w/ "site:social.bioware.com nwn2 "


/blahblah
/welcome
/enjoy!!!

[I_Raps]

You definitely need more hard drive space available. I just checked a random saved game at the finale, and it's 150mb. Earlier saves will be smaller, but a quick look at a few samples finds nothing smaller than 50mb. Some of your hard drive space is also used constantly as "virtual memory" - accessed on the fly as if it were RAM.

kevL mentions saves as small as 5mb - don't you believe it. Not for the official campaigns, anyway; maybe for some of the small user-created mods.

[edit]  My saves use about 25mb of extra space for extra characters due to a mod I use.  Yours won't be as big, but still big.

Modifié par I_Raps, 26 juin 2011 - 08:54 .

[DefiLeRz]

@The Fred Thank you, now it makes more sense. I'm playing a fighter (recommended) and I let the game choose for me when leveling.. I tried to understand why it was choosing those feats / improving those skills..

@NWN DM Yes, I know, it seems obvious, but I have enough space on that partition or so it seems.. I may try moving "My Documents" to another partition with much larger free space. But am I the only one to have experienced this ?

@kevL Well, I "kinda" read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings books some time ago Yes, I'm thinking of bumping to hardcore, I want to get the real experience ^^

And thanks for the technical info \\:D/ Yes, my user account has full privileges. Thank you for your help.. my experience is becoming much more enjoyable now ^^

Modifié par DefiLeRz, 26 juin 2011 - 09:09 .

[EEmotion]

http://www.gamebansh...rwinternights2/

http://www.thieves-guild.net/index.php

Enjoy....

/easier to navigate then the nwn2wiki. Also include walkthroughs.

[The Fred]

DefiLeRz wrote...
@The Fred Thank you, now it makes more sense. I'm playing a fighter (recommended) and I let the game choose for me when leveling.. I tried to understand why it was choosing those feats / improving those skills.

When the game choses things for you, it doesn't normally choose the best, given that the best tends to depend on what else you pick (i.e. certain combinations work well). However, it usually picks decent things. If you want the most powerful character ever born, you'll need to take control yourself, but the recommended button will give you a capable character who shouldn't suck or anything. The worst case scenario with feat and skill choice is usually that you waste them, anyway; it's not normally like you're going to be picking something which will actually harm you.

[nicethugbert]

I recommend using the pause button A LOT in this game, like for every move you make. There is too much stuff going on to be able to understand it in real time. Then you can look at the combat log to see what is happening. Move the camera around to look around the battle field before you make a move. This game lends itself poorly to run and gun type action.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 27 juin 2011 - 12:47 .

[foil-]

nicethugbert wrote...

I recommend using the pause button A LOT in this game, like for every move you make. There is too much stuff going on to be able to understand it in real time. Then you can look at the combat log to see what is happening. Move the camera around to look around the battle field before you make a move. This game lends itself poorly to run and gun type action.

And pause for a long time.  That drives the computer crazy.
knight to queen's bishop 3

[DefiLeRz]

Thank you all for contributing, all this stuff will keep me busy for a while If anyone else wants to add more links or important tips, feel free to do so.. I will surely read them and hopefully other newbies coming across this forum.

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[Clyordes]

Another thing you might want to consider is playing a few of the smaller community created modules from the vault (poor examples in my sig below :-) ) - That way you'll get experience of the system and playing different classes without having to re-play the Official Campaign over & over - if you're anything like me, playing the same adventure many times gets really dull, and you've got hundreds of really good quality adventures out there to choose from........

And as everyone else has said - don't be shy with the pause button - NWN is based on D&D & as such is a complex system with a lot to keep tabs on & decisions to make - its not a case of button mashing like some "CRPGs" out there.

And finally, if you don't like some aspect of the game, the odds are that someone else feels the same way & there's likely to be a fix for it somewhere on the vault - just raise a thread here if you can't see it & we'll let you know if it exists & where.

Have fun!

Cly.

[Adeph]

I've just started playing the game as well even though I've owned it for some time now, other games just seemed to keep getting in the way. I'm playing as a pure Monk and I'm enjoying it so far, at least once I got the camera and AI sorted. I realise I could make a stronger character by mixing classes but for RP reasons he's a pure Monk.

is there any way to see what influence you have with each companion?

It's so frustrating searching for answers about this game on the net as more often than not your answer is on the old Bioware forums, so much good inforamtion was lost when they shut those forums down

[The Fred]

Yes, monks are not the powerhouses they were in NWN1, though there is something to be said for staying pure so as to get the higher-level monk abilities, some of which are not to be sniffed at.

In the OC, you can't see your influence directly, though there might be a script you can call from the console which will tell you (I don't know what it is though, if it exists, but someone else might).

[Adeph]

The Fred wrote...

Yes, monks are not the powerhouses they were in NWN1, though there is something to be said for staying pure so as to get the higher-level monk abilities, some of which are not to be sniffed at.

To be honest I'm not that bothered about being 'uber' really and from all I've read the game is pretty easy anyway. I also have Kaedrin's class pack for intuiative attack so I can stack wisdom and I have the crafting mod that let's me enchant my gloves so I'm sure I'll be fine

While I'm not a hard core role player I do like to keep in character as much as I can in these games so I can't imagine how, for example, a character could go from being a Paladin to being a sorcerer to being a Red Dragon Disciple to being a Divine Champion.

I certianly don't begrudge people that play the game that way and find enjoyment, to each their own, but it's not for me personally.

I see Circle Kicj is as annoying in this game as it was in NWN, thankfully I saved ebfore I took the talent so I could spec out of it again. Nothing as bad as trying to burn down a spell caster only to have your Monk switch targets allowing the caster to get thier spell off 

[I_Raps]

Adeph wrote...

is there any way to see what influence you have with each companion?

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debugmode 1
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Modifié par I_Raps, 30 juin 2011 - 12:37 .

[Adeph]

Thank you I_Raps!

[BelgarathMTH]

If you play Mask of the Betrayer, "ueberness" might come into play at the very highest levels. Some of the battles there can only be won by very skilled players, even with difficulty set to minimum. Ueberundead (think Russel Edgington from "True Blood") and Archmagi (think Maryann) abound.

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 30 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[Adeph]

I've tried google searches, NWN2 wikia etc but I still can't find out what exactly it means when it says a Monk's fists are considered lawful for the purpose of damage reduction. Can anyone help me please?

I have the suspicion it's something so blatently obvious that no-one feels the need to explain it but  I'm clueless about it  

[-Semper-]

his fists (weapons) are treated as lawful so that everyone who has a damage reduction against lawful won't take damage, or lower damage than normal. see also here.

[Adeph]

-Semper- wrote...

his fists (weapons) are treated as lawful so that everyone who has a damage reduction against lawful won't take damage, or lower damage than normal. see also here.

Thank you, is it much use really, are there many mobs that have dr/lawful?

I more or less understand how DR works in relation to normal weapons, adamantine for golems, silver for devils, iron for demons etc but I'm not sure how all that relates to a Monk's fists if I'm honest.

I was fighting Succubi last night in the githyanki base and my monk was doing very little damage so I looked them up on the wikia and it says a succubus has dr 10cold iron/good so i assume the fists aren't considered cold iron for the purposes of DR then? what about mobs that need silver to bypass thier dr or need epic weapons, can a monk get past their dr at all?

But then if monks struggled against all these mobs with dr no-one would play monks would they? I'm confused