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Time4Tiddy wrote...

Well, in a slightly different direction, let's consider the shift from ME to ME3 in the general usage of DLC. EA wants to make a ton of money, DLC is pretty much the way of gaming nowadays. So bring back the crew of ME1, add four new squadmates, and then force us to buy DLC like LOSB in order to reunite with the ME2 crew. If they add one DLC for every significant ME2 character, that's close to $100 on top of price of game. Don't be surprised if this is what they do. Everyone raves about LOSB.

Ouch, i thought i was cynical lol.

While i agree there will definetly be DLC, if they went this route i think Bioware would be finished in terms of its longtime fans, to create a situation whereby the only way to finish a characters story arc would be in dlc would create a s***storm of epic proporations. Some maybe like Zaeed and Kasumi considering they were originally Dlc characters but all of the rest no way they'd get away with it.

Not to mention the fact they've already shown examples of Mordin and Legion playing a in game role.

Seriously how many people would trust anything Bioware ever said again or continue to support them if they went this route?

Imagine the publicity they'd get for making a trilogy where in order to finish the story you have to pay over $180 to do so.

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EJ107 wrote...

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well, I've made my thoughts on this clear. Bioware has confirmed that there will be new characters in ME3, so we can only hope that they will be introduced in a way that will keep everyone happy, and will not detract from previous characters.

Finally something we can both agree completely on lol.

Seriously i get your position and i think you get mine, we can agree to disagree on a lot of things, but in the end we both want the same thing, the best ME3 possible.

[Jacksor1]

What a touching display of civility. <_<


Interesting discussion though. As many have pointed out, people are already very emotionally invested in the existing characters and don't want to end up being the "acceptable losses."

[IndigoWolfe]

Valentia X wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

So new characters are pointless, time consuming, unnecessary and a waste of resources.

Tell that to the Thane fangirls.

I'm pretty sure we're one of the quieter aspects of these forums, don't drag us into the fight. <_<

Perhaps you misconstrued my point. My point was, from my experience, a good majority of Thane fangirls were fans of Kaidan from ME1, and if Bioware viewed new characters as "pointless, time consuming, unneccesary and a waste of resources" then the people who like Thane would have most likely not experienced his character. Most likely, they would have gone on liking Kaidan --if he'd had the slot that Thane possessed in ME2-- but would have missed out on a new and compelling character who --while not 'neccessary' by Zeel's apparent standards-- added something fresh and unexpected for female fans to appreciate.

[Xeranx]

The character dialogues left a lot to be desired. It's Bioware's fault, but I don't think Garrus' voice actor will ever get over being "in the middle of some calibrations". Heck I had a field day with that just the other day:
Brother: Hey, can you give me a ride to work?
Me: Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

And Garrus is one of the 5 you have to pick up to move on. Before the middle of the game arrives (or somewhere around there) he has nothing else to say.

12 characters and dialogue absolutely suffered. Two of the characters weren't interactive. In fact the most under-developed -I mean seriously under-developed- character (Morinth) had more interactivity in the game than Zaeed or Kasumi, and you can pick both of them up way before you even get to Samara and her loyalty mission.

And the development of ME3 is less than ME2 by almost a full year? Nevermind that the release date for ME3 is March 6th of next year. Developers were saying the game was ready... in March or thereabouts. It was slated to be released in the fall. Of course there's going to be people who don't want any new characters.

[IndigoWolfe]

Eshaye wrote...

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Because it's a TRILOGY. You don't introduce a brand new cast mid show or in the last leg of it. That's some bad story telling in any medium. You will have new characters, but only a few and hopefully that CONTRIBUTE to the story and plot.

There was no point were I said "replacing all the characters from the previous games with an all-new cast would be okay", because it wouldn't be. You're right, it is a trilogy, and characters who have been prominantely featured in both preceeding games have already been confirmed to have roles in the last game.

What I was objecting to was the nay-saying of the basic concept of featuring new characters which people seem to be doing.

A lot of the criticism of the characterization of ME2 was that characters were added or made into LI's purely for fan service and while there's some exaggeration to these complaints there's a measure of truth as well.

ME3 should be about tying up loose ends and ending story arcs, adding a whole bunch of characters with their own backgrounds and stories will not help achieve this. It's too much baggage. When you read a series of books how many new important characters do you see revealed in the last book? Not many if any.

True, not many usually are. But like I said; a sizable portion of old characters have already been confirmed to have relevance with the plotlines.

And introducing new characters is distruptive to the resolution of existing plotlines only if the character's backgrounds and stories do not contribute to the tying of the loose ends and the resolution of story arcs, which is entirely possible, but is assumed to be not the case, which is what I am objecting to.

For instance; you could introduce another quarian who sides with the geth in ME3, relating to the geth/quarian conflict and Tali's character arc, and whose own character arc contributes to the resolution of these two plotlines.

[Eshaye]

People don't want their favorite and established characters to take a back seat to new ones. That's what it comes down to. And that's understandable.There have been so many characters already introduced each with their own fans it would be fair of BW to dedicate a portion of time to each. But time isn't infinite and they have to release the game at some point, making sure everyone gets dialogue, side quests, story and whatever PLUS adding more interesting characters to meet will add unnecessary bulk that more then likely won't be adding much to the story.

Reminds me of a series I was reading this winter, The Crown Of Stars. Series went on and on forever with the plot ever evolving deeper with new characters getting added over time and interesting branches going every way. By the last book it became obvious the writer was crunched for time and just fast forwarded the plot lines to disappointing and sometimes confusing conclusions.

I don't want to see that for ME3. I'd like to see a crisp finale that explains most things with the characters we've come to care about find an adequate resolution. Like the end of Lord of the Rings, that left me satisfied.

We are getting new characters anyway just not that many. 

Oh right also people wamt their favorite existing characters to evolve and find out more about them. That's one of the things that really upset me in ME2, it's not that I didn't think new characters wouldn't be interesting and I DID come to care about most of them, but I wanted to know more about the ones I had already. Kaidan, Ash, Liara, Wrex and Garrus to a point were really sore points. I really hated these guys took a back seat just to have new squad mates or so it seemed. 

Do not want in ME3. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 27 juin 2011 - 03:15 .

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Eshaye

Very well said, you managed to put across the point i tried in a much clearer and concise way, leaving me obsolete lol.

Ah well, looks like i'll just have to spend my time calibrating instead.