One thing that I found odd in ME is the fact that the reapers seem to be solely focussed on our galaxy (the Milky way). Space is far bigger than that, there are milions of other galaxies out there. So why the focus on the Milhy way? What about Andromeda (for starters)?
Is our galaxy the only one that has (ever) develloped life? No, probably not. There could be thousands of species out there for reapers to reap. Why did they focus on our galaxy? Are we the only galaxy with mass relays? IF yes why? Reapers reside in dark space, so one could argue that another galaxy isn't too far away for the reapers.
Are the more reapers who take care of other galaxies? Is there an even bigger threath that does target galaxies instead of systems? Is this an oversight of the makers? Is this the deus ex machina you'd expect (suprise, the reapers nemesis are in another galaxy, but now there here).
Discuss. Personally I think it's an oversight by BW, left out intentionally cause other wise it would become to big.
a galaxy isn't the universe
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:56
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Because our galaxy has a mass relay network which organic species can discover and base their technology on.
Finding a whole new galaxy and risk the encounter with a race that might be even more advanced than the Reapers themselves because they have never reaped that galaxy while they're setting up another relay network is not the smartest move.
Better to just stick with what they have.
Finding a whole new galaxy and risk the encounter with a race that might be even more advanced than the Reapers themselves because they have never reaped that galaxy while they're setting up another relay network is not the smartest move.
Better to just stick with what they have.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:59
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In a galaxy far far away.....
-"My lord, intel suggests that our ancient enemy is having issues with their latest energy recoup. Their barriers are faltering. What are your orders?"
-"Commence the attack. Let nothing live..."
-"Yes Darth Revan..."
Sorry. Couldn't help it...
-"My lord, intel suggests that our ancient enemy is having issues with their latest energy recoup. Their barriers are faltering. What are your orders?"
-"Commence the attack. Let nothing live..."
-"Yes Darth Revan..."
Sorry. Couldn't help it...
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:00
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SalsaDMA wrote...
In a galaxy far far away.....
-"My lord, intel suggests that our ancient enemy is having issues with their latest energy recoup. Their barriers are faltering. What are your orders?"
-"Commence the attack. Let nothing live..."
-"Yes Darth Revan..."
Sorry. Couldn't help it...
It all makes sense now!
:o:o:o:o
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:04
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"In 1999 the Hubble Space Telescope estimated that there were 125 billion galaxies in the universe", "A recent German supercomputer simulation put that number even higher: 500 billion"
The Reapers in our galaxy are solely successful because they have the element of surprise and organise "chaos" by allowing organics to exist along the lines they set via mass relays. The fact in ME3 they don't have this organisation gives the aura already that they can be defeated.
In a Galaxy where there is no organisation to their standards they dont have too much of an upper hand. This makes assumptions of course that organics have discovered mass effect field travel themselves. With isnt unrealistic knowing how innovative we can be if we try. The Reaper losses will be heavy and we know their ways of "reproducing" are slow.
Still we dont know the Reapers purpose. But thinking they go from Galaxy to Galaxy doing this is unrealistic. Not just for their vast trillions upon trillions they need in numbers to begin with. I think the Reapers purpose is different to what Sovereign initially led on, but I dont think this is a sustainable or achievable goal.
The Reapers in our galaxy are solely successful because they have the element of surprise and organise "chaos" by allowing organics to exist along the lines they set via mass relays. The fact in ME3 they don't have this organisation gives the aura already that they can be defeated.
In a Galaxy where there is no organisation to their standards they dont have too much of an upper hand. This makes assumptions of course that organics have discovered mass effect field travel themselves. With isnt unrealistic knowing how innovative we can be if we try. The Reaper losses will be heavy and we know their ways of "reproducing" are slow.
Still we dont know the Reapers purpose. But thinking they go from Galaxy to Galaxy doing this is unrealistic. Not just for their vast trillions upon trillions they need in numbers to begin with. I think the Reapers purpose is different to what Sovereign initially led on, but I dont think this is a sustainable or achievable goal.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:13
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Galaxys are generally really far apart. I mean Reapers could maybe make the journey, but why bother?
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:15
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well, they could have another network set up in andromeda, finish up here, and while new life evolves, they could go to exterminate life in andromeda. By the time they come back, new life has evolved here and is ready to be reaped.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:16
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Do you have any understanding of how far away other galaxies are? Even with the Reapers' level of technology reaching another galaxy would be impractical.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:22
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MEsuperfan wrote...
well, they could have another network set up in andromeda, finish up here, and while new life evolves, they could go to exterminate life in andromeda. By the time they come back, new life has evolved here and is ready to be reaped.
They come back every 50,000 years. There's nothing special we know of about that number is terms of setting up life to be harvested so apparently they have all the "material" they need right now.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:32
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Who's to say they didn't already at least probe the possibility and found it 'uneconomical' when they were much younger. When you get to a certain level of technological prowess, 'efficiency in action' becomes a primary focus of almost all motives, ignoring cultural and latent instinctual imperatives they may have had left over from their own evolution. I mean they chow down then sleep off a sapience-buffet bender for 50,000 years.
However, we are talking about a collection of beings that thinks building a giant version of there enemy (humans), with liquefied remains of said enemy, is a good idea. Sure they could be so advanced that they have become unknowable to our feeble understandings but its pretty silly.
Their method of free-range farming, where the crop can potentially prevent there own demise is also highly suspect in logic... Can't expect much of that though.
However, we are talking about a collection of beings that thinks building a giant version of there enemy (humans), with liquefied remains of said enemy, is a good idea. Sure they could be so advanced that they have become unknowable to our feeble understandings but its pretty silly.
Their method of free-range farming, where the crop can potentially prevent there own demise is also highly suspect in logic... Can't expect much of that though.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:33
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How do you know this?Tripedius wrote...
One thing that I found odd in ME is the fact that the reapers seem to be solely focussed on our galaxy (the Milky way).
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:34
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Do we know for sure they haven't? I can't remember anything.
All I've seen is information about the ones trying to kill us. There could be more reapers than we know bout and since they are machines, traveling the distance shouldn't be impossible.
All I've seen is information about the ones trying to kill us. There could be more reapers than we know bout and since they are machines, traveling the distance shouldn't be impossible.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:38
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
How do you know this?Tripedius wrote...
One thing that I found odd in ME is the fact that the reapers seem to be solely focussed on our galaxy (the Milky way).
Exactly. Maybe this is the Reaper : Milkyway division.
I sure hope the other divisions are occupied while we kick "our" Reapers´ asses, or we´re in for a bad surprise xD
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:50
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Dose anyone know how they would get over that sayid discharge problem in their drive cores by the way. Also maybe darkspace is 'just' outside the galaxy and they still can't reach another galaxy, maybe that IS their goal.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 12:54
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
How do you know this?Tripedius wrote...
One thing that I found odd in ME is the fact that the reapers seem to be solely focussed on our galaxy (the Milky way).
We don't, but isn't that the whole meaning of the word 'seems'? Like, it looks like that, but I don't know for sure?
As for the size of the galaxy someone earlier mentioned, I don't think it would be a problem. The andromeda galaxy is 2,5 milion light years away from earth. The milky way is 100.000 light years across. The end shot in ME2 suggests that they are a good way away from our galaxy (by size one could say at least 100.000 light years). So it could be impractical (why drive to France if you can get milk around the corner in Holland) but not impossible.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 01:09
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I guess the Reapers don't want to draw to much attention.
When they start to expand they are bound to find other species that ar as or even more advanced then the Reapers.
Its not hard to imagine what those species will do with the Reapers once they know what the Reapers do with other organic life once they are superiour.
When they start to expand they are bound to find other species that ar as or even more advanced then the Reapers.
Its not hard to imagine what those species will do with the Reapers once they know what the Reapers do with other organic life once they are superiour.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 01:24
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While it's possible that the Reapers spend some of their freetime in those 50,000 year gaps antagonising other galaxies, I think it's suggested that there are no secret Reaper-only intergalactic relays. If there were, the Reapers wouldn't be plodding along at FTL-speeds to reach us. They'd just hop on one of those secret relays and take us by surprise.
(Then again, maybe the Citadel relay WAS an intergalactic relay. We may never know!)
(Then again, maybe the Citadel relay WAS an intergalactic relay. We may never know!)
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 01:37
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What's to say the reapers aren't busy raping other galaxies when they're not in the milky way?
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 02:12
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With the exception of a dwarf galaxy and the Magellanic Clouds, the nearest galaxy to us is the Andromeda galaxy, at a distance of 2 million light years.
In comparison, the diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years.
So before the relay system, it would take the Reapers with FTL about 22 years to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other. Comparatively, it would take the Reapers over 400 years to travel to the nearest galaxy. A round trip would be over 800 years.
Now for an immortal creature, 800 years isn't so much. However, considering that FTL requires a ship to periodically discharge the drive charge and there is only the odd atom of hydrogen between the Milky Way and Andromeda, travel between the two galaxies might not be physically possible. It would also likely require a tremendous amount of element zero.
In comparison, the diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years.
So before the relay system, it would take the Reapers with FTL about 22 years to travel from one end of the galaxy to the other. Comparatively, it would take the Reapers over 400 years to travel to the nearest galaxy. A round trip would be over 800 years.
Now for an immortal creature, 800 years isn't so much. However, considering that FTL requires a ship to periodically discharge the drive charge and there is only the odd atom of hydrogen between the Milky Way and Andromeda, travel between the two galaxies might not be physically possible. It would also likely require a tremendous amount of element zero.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 02:21
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The only oversight, is your own for not realising exactly how big space is.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 02:44
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Aviena wrote...
While it's possible that the Reapers spend some of their freetime in those 50,000 year gaps antagonising other galaxies, I think it's suggested that there are no secret Reaper-only intergalactic relays. If there were, the Reapers wouldn't be plodding along at FTL-speeds to reach us. They'd just hop on one of those secret relays and take us by surprise.
(Then again, maybe the Citadel relay WAS an intergalactic relay. We may never know!)
But what about the alpha relay we found in Arrival? That relay had a lot of ground covered and it was the Reapers back-up plan. This (and the Citadel)suggests that there are many relays varying in power, perhaps even powerful enough for inter-galactic travel.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 02:45
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The distances between galaxies are unimaginably vast. It would take thousands of years to reach even relatively close by neighboring galaxies. They could run into lifeforms completely beyond even their comprehension with technlogy even more advanced. The Milky Way is all they know, and I highly doubt their motives are as simple as complete domination of life itself.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 02:46
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The universe isn't a galaxy but the known universe could be only a galaxy.
Adjectives are powerful things.
Oh, and the Reapers are everywhere. They're space lice on the fabric of time.
Adjectives are powerful things.
Oh, and the Reapers are everywhere. They're space lice on the fabric of time.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 02:48
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Casterdael wrote...
But what about the alpha relay we found in Arrival? That relay had a lot of ground covered and it was the Reapers back-up plan. This (and the Citadel)suggests that there are many relays varying in power, perhaps even powerful enough for inter-galactic travel.
I doubt it. We don't have any relays that span the galaxy. The relay that connected the Reapers in darkspace to our galaxy was huge - the citadel, in fact. A relay that would connect us to a nearby galaxy would be several orders of magnitude larger.
