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[ElitePinecone]

Computer_God91 wrote...
BOOM! Winner.

Name one NPC that's definitively established a sexual preference. 

Not just through their actions or past romances - because we've only seen a few hours of their fictional lives - but one that's actually said, in-game, "I'm interested in men/women/lizard people". 

[Rinji the Bearded]

mya11 wrote...

I am fan of Bioware since Baldure's gates and the romance since dragon age and mass effect 1 but I don't want the same romance of Dragon age 2, I hope for the final mass effect 3 the fans are not disapointed .

S/S options were open even before DA:O, I'm not sure why DA2 is to blame here.

[HopHazzard]

*snipped wall of quotage*

Computer_God91 wrote...

Exactly what I'm pointing out. The people that are screaming the loudest are getting what they want will other people who quietly suggest things are brushed off. I don't think thats right.

You're fighting against human nature, you realize that?

[Maugrim]

Computer_God91 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

BOOM! Winner.

We've been waiting for years for this conclusive evidence, where is it? <_<

Don't worry your pretty little head about it I know you have nothing but ugly stereotypes and preconceptions to back it up.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 27 juin 2011 - 05:35 .

[Sierra Crysis]

ipgd wrote...
"Thrown in" is not something I would criticize Anders for. The way it is done is thoroughly atypical, and as you have acknowledged, repulsive to many. Why would they have written such a depressing, cynical arc if their intent were to pander by tacking on the ability to suck his dick? I guarantee to you it would look much, much different if making a base appeal were the motivation behind making him a romance option.

If anything, changing him so he would be a more typically appealing romance option sounds exactly like the kind of pandering you're complaining about.

Who's complaining? I'm having an adult conversation with a couple of responsive adults. Thrown in is something EVERYONE should use when referring to the Anders LI, please dear god let me lay another sweet nothing into your ear main protagonist... I've only a few more years to live..! It's something you see in a bad 50's movie, except they don't even have the ability to blame it on the entertainment of the decade they live in.

[Shade of Wolf]

Kaidan, seriously? Even if you could lol. I however support the notion.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Kaidan apparently has free will to stand up and say "I AM STRAIGHT," breaking the fourth wall and proving all of us haters wrong.

Color me surprised.

[ipgd]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Except, it's much more than five seconds of scrutiny.. It's an entire game's worth of scrutiny to the point that five seconds of dialogue in a M. Night Shambledoodle plot twist isn't enough to save it.

Playing a game through once isn't what I'd call "scrutiny". If you aren't paying attention, and your judgments are clouded by a desire to make knee-jerk declarations of dissatisfaction based on "they changed it now it sucks", it's pretty easy to glaze over the actual literary implications and intent in favor of accepting face-value discomforts that agree with an opinion you previously decided you wanted to have.

Yes, they changed it. They had reasons for doing so. The changes fit very well with the overarching narrative and themes of the game. But not all changes are bad, and I can't really wrap my head around these complaints. (Actually, I can, but I think the reasons are absurd and just a little bit silly and very reactionary).

It's not like I've been, uh, writing essays about this game for four months or anything, but I guarantee to you there is more there than you seem to be willing to see.

Sierra Crysis wrote...

And agree. The problem I have with it is that when you look at it from that perspective the LI is tacked on. I'm of the train of thought if you can't do it well than don't do it at all, and I still maintain the fact that his over-eagerness to love is just a blight upon his character, bisexual or not.

How? Why? It's played as a character fault.

The romance perfectly mirrors the themes approached by the core narrative. I don't understand your use of the term "tacked on". It does not constitute.

Modifié par ipgd, 27 juin 2011 - 05:35 .

[jbblue05]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

And Kaidan, who is a character in a video game, whose fate depends on his writer, has a preference of choice how...?

[mya11]

RinjiRenee wrote...

mya11 wrote...

I am fan of Bioware since Baldure's gates and the romance since dragon age and mass effect 1 but I don't want the same romance of Dragon age 2, I hope for the final mass effect 3 the fans are not disapointed .

S/S options were open even before DA:O, I'm not sure why DA2 is to blame here.

I saw, I am ok for the the romance variety (******, gay or bi) it's not a problem for me, but it's just my opinion I home Kaidan his personality don't change, I was disapointed for his comportement in horizon and in mass effect if he change personnality, I left him the gay romance...

[Berkilak]

RinjiRenee wrote...

mya11 wrote...

I am fan of Bioware since Baldure's gates and the romance since dragon age and mass effect 1 but I don't want the same romance of Dragon age 2, I hope for the final mass effect 3 the fans are not disapointed .

S/S options were open even before DA:O, I'm not sure why DA2 is to blame here.

Because they were the first to do it badly.

[Maugrim]

Berkilak wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

mya11 wrote...

I am fan of Bioware since Baldure's gates and the romance since dragon age and mass effect 1 but I don't want the same romance of Dragon age 2, I hope for the final mass effect 3 the fans are not disapointed .

S/S options were open even before DA:O, I'm not sure why DA2 is to blame here.

Because they were the first to do it badly.

No.

[Rinji the Bearded]

RinjiRenee wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

And Kaidan, who is a character in a video game, whose fate depends on his writer, has a preference of choice how...?

Oh, are you Kaidan's writer?  Excuse me. 

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 27 juin 2011 - 05:38 .

[mya11]

Well I finish this conversation because they are too people hungry.

I wait now the news

[jlb524]

jbblue05 wrote...
It violates the NPC's preference of choice

Any romance could do that...perhaps Kaidan only likes blondes...

And I've seen some force a brunette Shepard on him...the horror.

Berkilak wrote...

Because they were the first to do it badly.

How so?  I enjoyed my big gay Merrill romance greatly, and I consider myself to be an f/f connoisseur.

Modifié par jlb524, 27 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[lv12medic]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Name one NPC that's definitively established a sexual preference. 

Not just through their actions or past romances - because we've only seen a few hours of their fictional lives - but one that's actually said, in-game, "I'm interested in men/women/lizard people". 

Would Jack count?  (I don't know for sure, I remember trying to be nice to Jack and she flipped out about not "swinging that way" or something with a femshep).

[Computer_God91]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
BOOM! Winner.

Name one NPC that's definitively established a sexual preference. 

Not just through their actions or past romances - because we've only seen a few hours of their fictional lives - but one that's actually said, in-game, "I'm interested in men/women/lizard people". 

Why don't you come up with some definitive proof that Kaidan is gay? You want me to back up my arguements back up you're own.

Also Kaidan has always talked about the woman he's been with and never once said anything homosexual. But apparently that means he's gay because he's been hiding it all this time. Which following that logic everyone is a homosexual now.

[Rinji the Bearded]

mya11 wrote...

Well I finish this conversation because they are too people hungry.

I wait now the news

Want a sandwich?

[ipgd]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Who's complaining? I'm having an adult conversation with a couple of responsive adults. Thrown in is something EVERYONE should use when referring to the Anders LI, please dear god let me lay another sweet nothing into your ear main protagonist... I've only a few more years to live..! It's something you see in a bad 50's movie, except they don't even have the ability to blame it on the entertainment of the decade they live in.

A complaint is literally a statement of discontent with a subject. If I were disparaging you I would have said "whining".

I've said it a couple of times but maybe you missed it, but you know all that stuff is like... intended to be ironic, right? It starts off extremely cheesy, over the top and completely in line with the most flaboyant depictions in the romance genre -- in order to set up your expectations for what kind of narrative it is going to be, through recalling the typical tropes it raises -- and when it reaches its most bloated point it cuts it open, spills its guts and then sets the whole rotting mess on fire. It's a demonstration of the most unhealthy and self-destructive aspects of that kind of relationship.

Modifié par ipgd, 27 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Why don't you come up with some definitive proof that Kaidan is gay? You want me to back up my arguements back up you're own.

Also Kaidan has always talked about the woman he's been with and never once said anything homosexual. But apparently that means he's gay because he's been hiding it all this time. Which following that logic everyone is a homosexual now.

He's not homosexual.  He could be bisexual, though.

People are capable of hiding things, or not understanding a part of themselves, believe it or not.

Zevran was with a woman that he loved very much before the game.  He is also capable of sleeping with men.  Does this contradict? 

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 27 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[Sierra Crysis]

ipgd wrote...

Playing a game through once isn't what I'd call "scrutiny". If you aren't paying attention, and your judgments are clouded by a desire to make knee-jerk declarations of dissatisfaction based on "they changed it now it sucks", it's pretty easy to glaze over the actual literary implications and intent in favor of accepting face-value discomforts that agree with an opinion you previously decided you wanted to have.

Yes, they changed it. They had reasons for doing so. The changes fit very well with the overarching narrative and themes of the game. But not all changes are bad, and I can't really wrap my head around these complaints. (Actually, I can, but I think the reasons are absurd and just a little bit silly and very reactionary).

It's not like I've been, uh, writing essays about this game for four months or anything, but I guarantee to you there is more there than you seem to be willing to see.

I see alot, but not what you see. Are you meaning to tell me that you can play through a game with a neutral opinion? Especially one that you can play for long enough that you can't beat it in a single day, and say you didn't have an opinion about Anders and the sloppy romance until the climax? I don't see how you can overlook the little humorless whipped puppy bit because of the ending. Establishing the fact that it even makes sense, it's easy to see in merely 5 seconds how people can be frustrated with the change from a character you want in your party, to one you practically have to have if you want a healer.

[Computer_God91]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Don't worry your pretty little head about it I know you have nothing but ugly stereotypes and preconceptions to back it up.

You know it. Anything I have to say against homosexuality can only ever be backed up by ugly stereotypes and preconceptions, never anything logical.

[LiquidGrape]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Kaidan apparently has free will to stand up and say "I AM STRAIGHT," breaking the fourth wall and proving all of us haters wrong.

Color me surprised.

Hey...maybe that's how we could solve the incessant whining about possible "gay ninjamances" in ME3?

Imagine: as each character first appears, the surroundings freeze and the camera zooms in; isolating the individual who turns to the camera with a gleam in the eye and a winning smile, saying:

"Hi! I'm Garrus Vakarian, and I like naked men. Oh ja~!"

This would also serve to alleviate any potential discomfort for those who cannot fathom the idea that people don't necessarily project their sexuality as though it was something absolutely central to their being.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 27 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[Maugrim]

The thundering stupidity of people who don't know the difference between bisexual and gay never fails astound me. It shouldn't considering how often they display their stupidity but it does. Dictionaries are your friends! Don't be afraid to crack one open and wash away the ignorance.

[Sierra Crysis]

ipgd wrote...

I've said it a couple of times but maybe you missed it, but you know all that stuff is like... intended to be ironic, right? It starts off extremely cheesy, over the top and completely in line with the most flaboyant depictions in the romance genre -- in order to set up your expectations for what kind of narrative it is going to be, through recalling the typical tropes it raises -- and when it reaches its most bloated point it cuts it open, spills its guts and then sets the whole rotting mess on fire. It's a demonstration of the most unhealthy and self-destructive aspects of that kind of relationship.

I'm sorry, I don't know too many people who seriously 'intend' on being ironic. It might be clever writing, but it makes for one hell of a lame character.