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[Computer_God91]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Why don't you come up with some definitive proof that Kaidan is gay? You want me to back up my arguements back up you're own.

Also Kaidan has always talked about the woman he's been with and never once said anything homosexual. But apparently that means he's gay because he's been hiding it all this time. Which following that logic everyone is a homosexual now.

He's not homosexual.  He could be bisexual, though.

People are capable of hiding things, or not understanding a part of themselves, believe it or not.

I've met far more bisexual women in my life then men. It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

[Bocks]

Shouldn't all these threads tell you guys that people are genuinely worried for the s/s romance choices made by Bioware? I'm very worried as well.

[jbblue05]

RinjiRenee wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

And Kaidan, who is a character in a video game, whose fate depends on his writer, has a preference of choice how...?

Oh, are you Kaidan's writer?  Excuse me. 

Neither are the people demanding him be s/s.

Bioware has altered characters like Garrus and Tali to appease their fanbase, even though it wasn't their intention to make them romanceable.

[Rinji the Bearded]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Hey...maybe that's how we could solve the incessant whining about possible "gay ninjamances" in ME3?

Imagine: as each character first appears, the surroundings freeze and the camera zooms in; isolating the individual who turns to the camera with a gleam in the eye and a winning smile, saying:

"Hi! I'm Garrus Vakarian, and I like naked men. Oh ja~!"

This would also serve to alleviate any potential discomfort for those who cannot fathom the idea that people don't necessarily project their sexuality as though it was something absolutely central to their being.

Or better yet, let's just start branding their sexuality on their foreheads, so we don't even have to speak to them if we don't want to be flirted with, or god forbid, see optional flirting dialogue!  EW NO ****** BRO.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 27 juin 2011 - 05:47 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

jbblue05 wrote...

Neither are the people demanding him be s/s.

Bioware has altered characters like Garrus and Tali to appease their fanbase, even though it wasn't their intention to make them romanceable.

But you seem to be the ultimate authority on what Bioware's intentions are for Kaidan, I was just confused.  Sorry.

[Maugrim]

Computer_God91 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Don't worry your pretty little head about it I know you have nothing but ugly stereotypes and preconceptions to back it up.

You know it. Anything I have to say against homosexuality can only ever be backed up by ugly stereotypes and preconceptions, never anything logical.

Computer_God91 wrote...

I've met far more bisexual women in my life then men. It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

By the Maker I didn't think you'd do it so bloody quickly.

[happy_daiz]

Kaiden likes girls. He already stated in ME1 that he was into adventurous
women, and in ME2, he hooks up with a female doctor. In ME3, he's going to sweep my (female) Shepard off her feet, and ride off into the sunset. Sorry if that breaks any male Shepard hearts, but that's how it is.

Edit: I guess it was just a doctor; gender wasn't specified. Oops. Regardless, Kaidan is mine.

 

Modifié par happy_daiz, 27 juin 2011 - 05:50 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

happy_daiz wrote...

Kaiden likes girls. He already stated in ME1 that he was into adventurous women, and in ME2, he hooks up with a female doctor. In ME3, he's going to sweep my (female) Shepard off her feet, and ride off into the sunset. Sorry if that breaks any male Shepard hearts, but that's how it is. 

He does like women.

But that doesn't stop him from liking men, either.  

I hope that doesn't ruin any potential for future nuptials or anything.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 27 juin 2011 - 05:49 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Computer_God91 wrote...

It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

Citation please.  Personal anecdotes are not evidence. 

[Computer_God91]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Don't worry your pretty little head about it I know you have nothing but ugly stereotypes and preconceptions to back it up.

You know it. Anything I have to say against homosexuality can only ever be backed up by ugly stereotypes and preconceptions, never anything logical.

Computer_God91 wrote...

I've met far more bisexual women in my life then men. It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

By the Maker I didn't think you'd do it so bloody quickly.

You are so smart you should get a medal. Apparently I just tossed out a stereotype and/or preconception just now.

But wait there's more. It's called making an observation ******. Apparently that's stereotyping and/or preconceiving now.

[HopHazzard]

happy_daiz wrote...

Kaiden likes girls. He already stated in ME1 that he was into adventurous women, and in ME2, he hooks up with a female doctor. In ME3, he's going to sweep my (female) Shepard off her feet, and ride off into the sunset. Sorry if that breaks any male Shepard hearts, but that's how it is. 

I have no doubt that's how you'll play your game. What does it have to do with mine?

[Maugrim]

happy_daiz wrote...

Kaiden likes girls. He already stated in ME1 that he was into adventurous women, and in ME2, he hooks up with a female doctor. In ME3, he's going to sweep my (female) Shepard off her feet, and ride off into the sunset. Sorry if that breaks any male Shepard hearts, but that's how it is. 

Sorry to break your heart honeybuns!

MarqueAZ wrote...

Since there is a big deal about the S/S coming up which is partly my fault (had no idea the news would be so big for you all!), I’ll paraphrase it as best as I can.

A podcaster (I forgot their name, but you all tracked down who it was!) introduced himself and asked Raphael “Let’s say I played a Male Shepard. In Mass Effect 3, would I be able to romance/engage a romance with you/Kaidan?” The audience chuckled a bit, and Raphael started to respond, then thought for a moment, then nodded a few times and said (paraphrasing). “You know! I think so! They mentioned it. I believe they’re still working on the writing.” Some people in the audience looked confused/amused, so he asserted: “Now, I’m all for it. I think it’s great.”

P.S. Bisexuals like women and men, shocking eh?

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 27 juin 2011 - 05:51 .

[Computer_God91]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

Citation please.  Personal anecdotes are not evidence. 

You people are pathetic.

[Sierra Crysis]

Mash Mashington wrote...
trolololo

Learn to play without the healer,lower the difficulty, play a spirit healer yourself gdi. You don't need a healer in DA2, that's the craziest delusion i've seen on this site. Besides, Anders is a lousy healer anyway

I'm speechless. I'm sorry, you're assuming I somewhere said that was the most important aspect and have somehow missed the other points. Nowhere have I said that you had to have a healer. Maybe you didn't notice the if you want section there... Oops.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Computer_God91 wrote...

I've met far more bisexual women in my life then men. It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

I would offer in disagreement that perhaps it is deemed more socially acceptable (and still not acceptable) by men for women to be bisexual.  See the common notion that "two women together are hot" whereas two guys together are not seen in that way.  Perhaps you have met men who are bisexual but have not mentioned that aspect of their sexuality to you.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 27 juin 2011 - 05:53 .

[happy_daiz]

HopHazzard wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Kaiden likes girls. He already stated in ME1 that he was into adventurous women, and in ME2, he hooks up with a female doctor. In ME3, he's going to sweep my (female) Shepard off her feet, and ride off into the sunset. Sorry if that breaks any male Shepard hearts, but that's how it is. 

I have no doubt that's how you'll play your game. What does it have to do with mine?

Nothing, 'twas a joke. 

[bleetman]

Computer_God91 wrote...

You people are pathetic.

If you were wondering why only certain people are supposedly "pandered to" whilst others aren't taken seriously, this is why.

[LiquidGrape]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Or better yet, let's just start branding their sexuality on their foreheads, so we don't even have to speak to them if we don't want to be flirted with, or god forbid, see optional flirting dialogue!

Brilliant!

Ambiguity is lyke, soooo 1967 anyway. I mean, the quicker we can make assumptions about people and thereby shape incomplete and limited perceptions of the same people, the quicker we can get on with all the fun stuff!

...I really hope my snark is evident. I've been taken seriously before for less.

[ipgd]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I see alot, but not what you see. Are you meaning to tell me that you can play through a game with a neutral opinion? Especially one that you can play for long enough that you can't beat it in a single day, and say you didn't have an opinion about Anders and the sloppy romance until the climax? I don't see how you can overlook the little humorless whipped puppy bit because of the ending. Establishing the fact that it even makes sense, it's easy to see in merely 5 seconds how people can be frustrated with the change from a character you want in your party, to one you practically have to have if you want a healer.

That's not what I said? I see it differently because I approached it without a preconceived determination to hate it because it was different, and as such was able to more objectively assess the themes and literary purposes behind the arc. Again, it is a tragedy -- it would kind of defeat the point if you could look back at Awakening and say "OH MAN ANDERS IS LIKE 800X MORE BADASS NOW WHAT IS HE COMPLAINING ABOUT". It's supposed to be upsetting that he's progressively losing himself. Through Awakening, the game provides you a frame of reference for a person who was likable and was at least somewhat comparatively stable that really informs just how much he means it when he says merging with Justice was a mistake.

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I'm sorry, I don't know too many people who seriously 'intend' on being ironic. It might be clever writing, but it makes for one hell of a lame character.

There is a distinction between an "unlikable person" and a "bad character". I can completely understand why someone might not like Anders as a person, given the fact he is a catty, whiny, manic-depressive headcase who SPOILERS up a SPOILER, but he is a very strong character with a well crafted arc and a well integrated romance that fits seamlessly into the overarching narrative of the game, both thematically and through direct textual involvement. It is not necessary to like a character as a person for him to be a good character.

Mash Mashington wrote...

trolololo

Learn to play without the healer,lower the difficulty, play a spirit healer yourself gdi. You don't need a healer in DA2, that's the craziest delusion i've seen on this site. Besides, Anders is a lousy healer anyway

what.jpg

Modifié par ipgd, 27 juin 2011 - 05:58 .

[jlb524]

jbblue05 wrote...

Neither are the people demanding him be s/s.

Bioware has altered characters like Garrus and Tali to appease their fanbase, even though it wasn't their intention to make them romanceable.

No one is demanding he be s/s or insisting that Kaidan is bisexual.

People interested in Kaidan are simply asking for the possibility of having him open for m/m in ME3 because there's nothing from the past that contradicts that possibility and then you have to consider the possibilities of coming out. 

Then people jump on them with statements such as, 'nuh uh, Kaidan is straight' so they are the ones making an absolute claim about Kaidan's sexuality and the burden of proof lies with them.  They can only prove that Kaidan likes girls, but can't prove he doesn't like boys.  So he could still possibly be bisexual but not necessarily so and we need more info...if they writers decide he also likes boys...then he does and he's bisexual.

Modifié par jlb524, 27 juin 2011 - 05:58 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

LiquidGrape wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Or better yet, let's just start branding their sexuality on their foreheads, so we don't even have to speak to them if we don't want to be flirted with, or god forbid, see optional flirting dialogue!

Brilliant!

Ambiguity is lyke, soooo 1967 anyway. I mean, the quicker we can make assumptions about people and thereby shape incomplete and limited perceptions of the same people, the quicker we can get on with all the fun stuff!

...I really hope my snark is evident. I've been taken seriously before for less.

Read you loud and clear. ;D

[Computer_God91]

Village Idiot wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

I've met far more bisexual women in my life then men. It would seem men only like to swing in one direction not both.

I would offer in disagreement that perhaps it is deemed more socially acceptable (and still not acceptable) by men for women to be bisexual.  See the common notion that "two women together are hot" whereas two guys together are not seen in that way.  Perhaps you have met men who are bisexual but have not mentioned that aspect of their sexuality to you.

I agree with you that it is more accepted for two females to be together and for it to be attractive were two males are not seen in this light. However, I'm done trying to argue with homosexuality because anything I say that doesn't include "I LOVE HOMOSEXUALITY YOU GUYS ARE SO GREAT" makes me a moron who's only spitting out stereotypes and preconceptions. Not making observations.