Captain_Obvious wrote...
Agreed, but I really don't think a game about mass effect relays and faster than light travel is a place to quibble about certain degrees of realism. I really don't understand why people are willing to suspend disbelief in the laws of physics for a video game, but will argue incessantly about how having a ship full of bisexuals "lacks realism". Realism is being stuck on Earth doing a job you hate for less money than you are worth for people you don't like. Realism is not "space opera is sweet, tantalus dive cores FTW, but don't you retcon those darn gheys!!!" My 0.02 cents, and my opinion only.![]()
Why are people gunning for a Kaidan same-sex romance so much?
#526
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:26
#527
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:26
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Females nonetheless. I don't know, but Garrus screams "bro" more than s/s romance, though.
So a straight man would be attracted to a female Krogan? Hey they're female!
Really?
In all seriousness, I might hit it.
Right you'e obviously not most straight men.
Most people aren't gonna be attracted to a different species just because it's the same gender that they're attracted to. It's not happening. I think turians look weird. I'd be willing to romance Garus because hey it's Garrus. But any other turian? No. So I somewhat see where Garrus is coming from.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 11:27 .
#528
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:26
Busy masturbating.Russalka wrote...
Where are the hordes of naysayers when a woman does it?NICKjnp wrote...
That was a bit of a shock to me too...she went from Xander and Oz to lesbian almost overnight. And the same goes for Claire Bennet on Heroes.VirtualStranger wrote...
I want to know where all of these "NO RETCONS" people were when they watched Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer go directly from straight to lesbian.
#529
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:31
My Shepard and Garrus are Heterosexual life partners. Nothing gay about it.The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
He expresses an interest in females, though.
TURIAN females.
Is Shepard a turian?
I mean he does not express an interest in human females. He distinctly says he's not attracted to humans period. Male, female whatever. He doesn't do humans.
He does do Shepard.
Females nonetheless. I don't know, but Garrus screams "bro" more than s/s romance, though.
It's just Guy love, between two guys!
Modifié par M8DMAN, 27 juin 2011 - 11:36 .
#530
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:32
Russalka wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
VirtualStranger wrote...
I want to know where all of these "NO RETCONS" people were when they watched Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer go directly from straight to lesbian.
That was a bit of a shock to me too...she went from Xander and Oz to lesbian almost overnight. And the same goes for Claire Bennet on Heroes.
Where are the hordes of naysayers when a woman does it?
Not everyone wants to keep the old characters from being s/s because the are against the idea of gay or bisexual romances. Some people actually think that if it wasn't established (even if it wasn't not established) then it is a change to the character and they don't want the old characters changed. And yes I was against the Tali and Garrus romance...Siansonea can vouch for that.
#531
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:34
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Females nonetheless. I don't know, but Garrus screams "bro" more than s/s romance, though.
So a straight man would be attracted to a female Krogan? Hey they're female!
Really?
In all seriousness, I might hit it.
Right you'e obviously not most straight men.
Most people aren't gonna be attracted to a different species just because it's the same gender that they're attracted to. It's not happening. I think turians look weird. I'd be willing to romance Garus because hey it's Garrus. But any other turian? No. So I somewhat see where Garrus is coming from.
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..
#532
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:34
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.
You didn't answer how many m/f...
#533
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:35
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..
I don't see how he could be into female Shepard *without* being into male Shepard.
#534
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:35
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
jlb524 wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.
You didn't answer how many m/f...
The point of me answering a question we probably all know is what?
#535
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:36
M/F - 9jlb524 wrote...
You didn't answer how many m/f...The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.
F/F - 1
M/M - 0
#536
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:37
VirtualStranger wrote...
M/F - 9jlb524 wrote...
You didn't answer how many m/f...The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.
F/F - 1
M/M - 0
OMG BIOWARE IS PANDERING TO THE GAYS!
#537
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:38
Modifié par makenzieshepard, 27 juin 2011 - 11:38 .
#538
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:38
At the age of 17. Should we assume he wasn't with anyone else for the next 15 years until he met Shepard? Or maybe Rahna was mentioned in the first because she was relevant to the Vyrnnus story? More over, how does loving a woman in the past makes him solely a heterosexual?Estelindis wrote...
Kaidan loved Rahna in BAaT
This is FemShep romance line. You expect him not to use lines like this when trying to flirt with a FemShep?Estelindis wrote...
thinks about the romantic archetype of exploring space to prove himself worthy of a woman he loves
He LIKES women. Do you know what bisexuality means?Estelindis wrote...
and in games with ManShep shows that he appreciates Liara's beauty
#539
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:39
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..
I don't see how he could be into female Shepard *without* being into male Shepard.
True this. Garrus doesn't even think of you sexually at all until you suggest "easing stress" together. Then he just sort of takes it in stride. He's not attracted to human women, he's attracted to Shepard. For all we know Turian females look exactly like males anyway and there is no concept of feminity to attract them. Yes, he talks about a female Turian, but the attraction is put in the context of her being the best warrior on the ship other than him. Not that she had some sexy woman body.
#540
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:40
My turn to call for evidence since ya'll keep pulling this shiz:
#541
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:41
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..
I don't see how he could be into female Shepard *without* being into male Shepard.
He could be thinking, "as long as she's a female."
#542
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:41
I'll never say "those darn gheys!!!" or any similar thing, so I hope you're not putting me in a group with people who would. Please bear in mind that I already stated twice that I have no problems with all LIs being bi if it's implemented well from the start (as it was in DA2), but I think it breaks what one would expect of humaninteraction to have all LI characters come out as bi during the final game.Captain_Obvious wrote...
I really don't think a game about mass effect relays and faster than light travel is a place to quibble about certain degrees of realism. I really don't understand why people are willing to suspend disbelief in the laws of physics for a video game, but will argue incessantly about how having a ship full of bisexuals "lacks realism". Realism is being stuck on Earth doing a job you hate for less money than you are worth for people you don't like. Realism is not "space opera is sweet, tantalus dive cores FTW, but don't you retcon those darn gheys!!!" My 0.02 cents, and my opinion only.![]()
There's a difference between including advanced technology as part of sci-fi world-building and reconfiguring human relationships. Unless one makes some fairly severe technological changes, human beings are still going to desire a lot of the same things in life. While Mass Effect's relay technology breaks some boundaries in physics, its main result is to make the enormous scale of the galaxy manageable; little else. That's really not sufficiently radical to make my expectations of what's realistic in terms of human desires and sexual behaviour change a great deal. For that, one would have to look further afield to some works that do interesting things with sci-fi technology when it comes to human sexuality. [i]As part of the advanced technology element of world-building[i], some novels in Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan series have elements as unusual as genetically engineered hermaphrodites and a planet populated only by men (who reproduce using donated and/or genetically-engineered eggs and uterine replicators). Iain M Banks's Culture series shows societies so technologically advanced that almost no restrictions of any kind (barring negative actions towards others) have existed at all for millennia upon millennia, leading to very different patterns of sexual realism. Mass Effect just doesn't accomplish feats like these.
Again, let me repeat that this doesn't mean it would be beyond the pale if, by coincidence, a large number of crewmembers on board a particular ship - say, all the LIs on the Normandy - turned out to be bi. That's not unrealistic, simply unusual. It would just strains credulity too much for me for all of them to be retconned at once. But, again, that is just me.
Modifié par Estelindis, 27 juin 2011 - 11:42 .
#543
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:42
IsaacShep wrote...
At the age of 17. Should we assume he wasn't with anyone else for the next 15 years until he met Shepard? Or maybe Rahna was mentioned in the first because she was relevant to the Vyrnnus story? More over, how does loving a woman in the past makes him solely a heterosexual?Estelindis wrote...
Kaidan loved Rahna in BAaT
And more, who says he was sexually attracted to her? He never says he loved her, he says she was important to him. In a scary place, going through a rough time, she was his best (or only) friend. He tried to protect her from getting hurt, she was scared of him and never spoke to him again. This would impact anyone gay or straight, male or female.
#544
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:42
makenzieshepard wrote...
VirtualStranger wrote...
M/F - 9jlb524 wrote...
You didn't answer how many m/f...The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.
F/F - 1
M/M - 0
OMG BIOWARE IS PANDERING TO THE GAYS!
Apparently so.
#545
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:42
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
He could be thinking, "as long as she's a female."
Really? Where does Garrus even suggest something like that?
Is it when he's telling her humans aren't his thing?
#546
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:42
makenzieshepard wrote...
OMG BIOWARE IS PANDERING TO THE GAYS!
#547
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:43
I so feel like putting this in my sig. It sums up this argument perfectly.makenzieshepard wrote...
OMG BIOWARE IS PANDERING TO THE GAYS!VirtualStranger wrote...
M/F - 9
F/F - 1
M/M - 0
#548
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:43
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
He could be thinking, "as long as she's a female."
Really? Where does Garrus even suggest something like that?
Is it when he's telling her humans aren't his thing?
I didn't say he did. I'm saying that's what he could have been thinking.
Keyword is "could."
Modifié par The Big Bad Wolf, 27 juin 2011 - 11:44 .
#549
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:44
Time4Tiddy wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..
I don't see how he could be into female Shepard *without* being into male Shepard.
True this. Garrus doesn't even think of you sexually at all until you suggest "easing stress" together. Then he just sort of takes it in stride. He's not attracted to human women, he's attracted to Shepard. For all we know Turian females look exactly like males anyway and there is no concept of feminity to attract them. Yes, he talks about a female Turian, but the attraction is put in the context of her being the best warrior on the ship other than him. Not that she had some sexy woman body.
Exactly. I'm not sure where this "as long as she's female." is coming from :/ for all we know turian females act more masculine than human women and Garrus may find some of femshep's mannerisms odd.
#550
Posté 27 juin 2011 - 11:44
Ryzaki wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..
I don't see how he could be into female Shepard *without* being into male Shepard.
ok I didn't say he was physically attracted to human females, but I don’t see why the relationship couldn’t be comparable to someone sleeping or being with someone who they JUST didn’t find physically attractive. Unattractiveness doesn’t mean you wouldn’t care if they were male or female is what I am saying. The fact that shep CAN sleep with garrus means there is compatibility between the species, so why is it so strange to think that a turian with an interest in only female turians wouldn’t just think of shep like an ugly turian or be able to go outside his comfort zone because her being female helps?
The thing is I haven’t SAID this is officially the case but some people have just outright said “he wouldn’t care if the human he slept with was male or female” like it was fact, how is what I just said “less right” ?And again Thane and tali ALSO did what Garrus did so they are equal s/s candidates, I don’t get how Garrus has more s/s potential than they do since all of them find shep’s character important first and foremost.
Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 27 juin 2011 - 11:45 .




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