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[Ryzaki]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I didn't say he did. I'm saying that's what he could have been thinking.

But there's no evidence to support that. At all. Where's with the 'doesn't care about humans just about Shep'. It's straight from his mouth. 

[Mr.House]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
He could be thinking, "as long as she's a female."

 

Really? Where does Garrus even suggest something like that?

Is it when he's telling her humans aren't his thing? 

I didn't say he did. I'm saying that's what he could have been thinking.

Keyword.

[M8DMAN]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I still don't think he could be into male Shepard..

 

I don't see how he could be into female Shepard *without* being into male Shepard. 

True this.  Garrus doesn't even think of you sexually at all until you suggest "easing stress" together.  Then he just sort of takes it in stride.  He's not attracted to human women, he's attracted to Shepard.  For all we know Turian females look exactly like males anyway and there is no concept of feminity to attract them.  Yes, he talks about a female Turian, but the attraction is put in the context of her being the best warrior on the ship other than him.  Not that she had some sexy woman body.

It could also be the fact that Female Shepard has a vagina and M Shep doesn't.

Most of the evidence paints him as a Heterosexual. He slept with a female crewmate and was only interested in a Female Shepard.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 28 juin 2011 - 12:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
ok I didn't say he was physically attracted to human females, but I don’t see why the relationship couldn’t be comparable to someone sleeping or being with someone who they JUST  didn’t find physically attractive. Unattractiveness doesn’t mean you wouldn’t care if they were male or female is what I am saying. The fact that shep CAN sleep with garrus means there is compatibility between the species, so why is it so strange to think that a turian with an interest in only female turians wouldn’t just think of shep like an ugly turian or be able to go outside his comfort zone because her being female helps?


The thing is I haven’t SAID this is officially the case but some people have just outright said “he wouldn’t care if the human he slept with was male or female” like it was fact, how is what I just said “less right”  ?And again  Thane and tali ALSO did what Garrus did so they are equal s/s candidates, I don’t get how Garrus has more s/s potential than they do since all of them find shep’s character important first and foremost.

 

...Because there's absolutely nothing to support that. He himself tells femshep that he's not into humans. Full stop. He doesn't admit to curiosty about human females. It's no different than you wanting to sleep with a male Krogan. Would you be willing to sleep with a male Krogan over a female human because it's male? Or would be be like "lol no" to both? Would you be willing to sleep with Wrex? If so would that change if he was female? He goes something like "Humans aren't my thing Shepard but you..." why would that suddenly become a no go if Shep's male? It makes little sense. He's already doing the taboo. 

Tali's female so I wouldn't count her as m/m (I do think she's a perfect f/f option), Thane's dying. I don't want the one m/m option to be the one in a body bag at endgame. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2011 - 11:49 .

[Time4Tiddy]

Estelindis wrote...

Again, let me repeat that this doesn't mean it would be beyond the pale if, by coincidence, a large number of crewmembers on board a particular ship - say, all the LIs on the Normandy - turned out to be bi.  That's not unrealistic, simply unusual.  It would just strains credulity too much for me for all of them to be retconned at once.  But, again, that is just me.

As you all know from other threads, I am a huge fan of m/m options and would love to have a gay Kaidan.  But I do agree I don't want a complete retcon of every character.  As I have said on other threads, one or two significant retcons (Ash/Kaidan for example), with some realistic and believable explanatory dialogue (I was scared of rejection, I didn't know how to express my feelings, etc.), I'm fine with.  The ship turning into GLBT-central after two games in which Kelly was the only out bisexual in the whole galaxy - not so much.  I agree with Estelindis, it breaks me out of the story of the game.

[Aviena]

You would think that if you were willing to look past the fact that your partner is another SPECIES, their being the same gender wouldn't really faze you. :S

[Mr.House]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

VirtualStranger wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.

You didn't answer how many m/f...

M/F - 9
F/F - 2
M/M -  At least 1

Fixed.

Uh wut? Until ME3 comes ot there is no M/M romances. Nice try though.

[Ryzaki]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

VirtualStranger wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.

You didn't answer how many m/f...

M/F - 9
F/F - 2
M/M -  At least 1

Fixed.

Then you better change that 9 to a 10 or 11. Because unless the m/m option is new he's gonna be bi. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2011 - 12:23 .

[jlb524]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

VirtualStranger wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

As far as we know, at least 1 for ME3.

You didn't answer how many m/f...

M/F - 9
F/F - 2
M/M -  At least 1

Fixed.

Oh, that makes it better.

How do you get 2 f/f and 1 m/m?  We can't speculate on ME3 yet (because...there could be new m/f romances too).

[Han Shot First]

IsaacShep wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
So you advocate taking heterosexual characters out of the game completely then? Everyone is either gay, bi,  or a potentially closeted homosexual?

No thanks.

Did you pretend not to see my post when I told you it's already confirmed "everyone's bi" will not happen?

Did you miss that my post was not replying to you, but to VirtualStranger's comment that all people's sexuality is ambiguous unless proven otherwise?

IsaacShep wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
Bioware should keep it simple and have character's sexuality determined by whether or not they showed an interest in a Shepard of the same sex, or dated people of the same sex in the past. (like Jack)

So we have to retcon Tali and Garrus then, since in ME1 they didn't show any attraction to Shepard.

I was also against Tali and Garrus being made LIs for ME2, so I'm not sure what point you are tying to make. I never argued in favor of either character showing a sudden romantic interest in Shepard as of ME2.

I also thought I explained fairly clearly why I'm against having party members who previously showed no attraction towards a Shepard of the same sex in ME1 or ME2, being attracted to him in ME3.  It by default takes clearly defined heterosexual characters out of the game. Instead of using a character's backstory or dialogue with Shepard as in indication of their interests, now a character is only heterosexual if he or she is wearing a nameplate that says, "Hello I'm Ashley Williams, and I'm heterosexual." Otherwise they are either gay, bi. or ambiguous.

No thanks.

[Estelindis]

IsaacShep wrote...
how does loving a woman in the past makes him solely a heterosexual?

This is a strawman argument.  It doesn't.  But I never said it did.  I was simply listing examples external to Kaidan's attraction to FemShep (which is universal to all FemShep's LIs, and therefore not worth mentioning for present purposes of identifying best candidates for S/S) where we can see evidence of attraction to women.  I see, however, no evidence of corresponding attraction to men.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, whether for Kaidan or for any of the other LIs I listed.  It just means that past experience of the character leads one to perceive him as being more attracted to females than to males.  We are then left to compare them (in order to see who would work best as a S/S romance), since that is the case for all of FemShep's male LIs - unlike ManShep's female LIs, not a single one of them fails to have some past history with the opposite sex (which makes one wonder if masculine LIs have to be presented as having previous experience in order to be "properly manly," whereas it's okay for feminine LIs to be geeky virgins like Liara or Tali; double standards ftw).

IsaacShep wrote...
This is FemShep romance line. You expect him not to use lines like this when trying to flirt with a FemShep?

It's from the FemShep romance dialogue tree, but I don't think it's really about the two of them per se.  It's about Kaidan's sense of adventure and what's romantic.  But that is just my take on the line.

IsaacShep wrote...
He LIKES women. Do you know what bisexuality means?

There is no need to be rude.  I have not given you any cause to accuse me of ignorance in this respect.

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 juin 2011 - 12:00 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Han Shot First wrote...
Otherwise they are ambiguous.

Yes.

[Skirata129]

lol. I voted for kaiden to be the only m/m romance option. works for me since I always sacrificed him on virmire.

[jlb524]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Liara and kelly for f/f.
 
And possibly those new romances are available to s/s? So that would mean m/m.

If Kelly counts, bump the m/f total up to 10.

New romances will also be available to o/s as well, so assuming one new f/f and one new m/m...

M/F:  12
F/F:  3
M/M:  1

Modifié par jlb524, 27 juin 2011 - 11:58 .

[Han Shot First]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
Otherwise they are ambiguous.

Yes.

Sorry, but I don't think Bioware should pander to a vocal minority that wants to take clearly defined heterosexual characters out of the game, and instead of have everyone who isn't clearly bi or gay, be ambiguous.

Instead they just keep it simple and have a character's interests be determined by whatever they reveal about their past dating history, and whether or not they show an interest in Shepard.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juin 2011 - 12:00 .

[Time4Tiddy]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Aviena wrote...

You would think that if you were willing to look past the fact that your partner is another SPECIES, their being the same gender wouldn't really faze you. :S

No.

Barring a few differences like number of toes or skin color:
Asari look like women.  Tali looks like a woman in a suit.  There is no stretch here to say that a man wouldn't find them attractive or that they wouldn't count as same sex for a femShep.

Thane looks like a man, right down to having pecs.  Again, no stretch to say that a woman wouldn't find him attractive or that he wouldn't be same sex if it's manShep.

Garrus on the other hand, has no gender identifying characteristics other than his voice.  Same with Wrex.  They don't have masculine bodies, if anything they have bodies that seem free of gender.  Their women look basically the same as their men. 

You want to say that Garrus must be straight because he "knows" Shep is a female, but for all we know female Turians lay eggs and there is no "sex" beyond rubbing bodies (working of stress through wrestling) for purely tactile sensation.  He probably could care less that she has breasts and a vajayjay when females of his species have neither.

[VirtualStranger]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Liara and kelly for f/f.
 
And possibly those new romances are available to s/s? So that would mean m/m.

Kelly does not count as a "true" romance, though, since she does not give you the paramour achievement, does not override any other LI, and gets next to no character development.

Modifié par VirtualStranger, 27 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Han Shot First wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
Otherwise they are ambiguous.

Yes.

Sorry, but I don't think Bioware should pander to a vocal minority that wants to take clearly defined heterosexual characters out of the game, and instead of have everyone who isn't clearly bi or gay, be ambiguous.

Being ambigious doesn't make you bi or gay dear,  though, it does leave the door open to the possibility.  As it's already been confirmed that TEH GAIS aren't going to take up the majority of the crew though your entire argument is based on false logic.

[Twilight_Princess]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
ok I didn't say he was physically attracted to human females, but I don’t see why the relationship couldn’t be comparable to someone sleeping or being with someone who they JUST  didn’t find physically attractive. Unattractiveness doesn’t mean you wouldn’t care if they were male or female is what I am saying. The fact that shep CAN sleep with garrus means there is compatibility between the species, so why is it so strange to think that a turian with an interest in only female turians wouldn’t just think of shep like an ugly turian or be able to go outside his comfort zone because her being female helps?


The thing is I haven’t SAID this is officially the case but some people have just outright said “he wouldn’t care if the human he slept with was male or female” like it was fact, how is what I just said “less right”  ?And again  Thane and tali ALSO did what Garrus did so they are equal s/s candidates, I don’t get how Garrus has more s/s potential than they do since all of them find shep’s character important first and foremost.

 

...Because there's absolutely nothing to support that. He himself tells femshep that he's not into humans. Full stop. He doesn't admit to curiosty about human females. It's no different than you wanting to sleep with a male Krogan. Would you be willing to sleep with a male Krogan over a female human because it's male? 

Right humans , so why can't that be comparable to a man saying they don't like fat/thin/tall/whatever women AT ALL but then if he does sleep with a fat/thin/tall/whatever  woman does that  mean they might as well have been the other sex because that unattractiveness overrides their sexual preference? There is nothing to support garrus would shrug at a male human either so again why isn’t this just likely a possibility? And since he did romance femshep over manshep (and can tell the genders apart I'm sure) then we could say sex alone was the only deciding factor so it COULD be important.
 
And for the krogan question... unlike turians they aren't compatible with humans so I'm pretty sure both sexes of krogan would kill me . BUT if it were a harmless candlight date on tuchunka (LOL) I would go for the dude without question, hopefully wrex, he's awesome.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 28 juin 2011 - 12:02 .