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[Duskeyboy]

i don't want kaidan s/s, i want garrus or wrex

[Berkilak]

Enkindlers! What have I spawned?!

[Rinji the Bearded]

This is why you can't have nice things.

[ElitePinecone]

My head hurts.

I seriously just want Bioware to announce the freaking options so we don't have another eight months of this crap.

[BeastMTL]

ElitePinecone wrote...

My head hurts.

I seriously just want Bioware to announce the freaking options so we don't have another eight months of this crap.

Agreed. Doesnt the PS3 and default non-import automatically make the VS the opposite gender ? If that's the case I doubt Kaidan would be the s/s LI.

[Rinji the Bearded]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I'm not trying to be rude, but couldn't you just ignore the threads? It's not mandatory to look at them. And if it's a troll, just report it. I find it funny when people complain about threads they don't have to read. You could say that about people talking about romances, but it's best to try and be the better person.

That can go both ways, you know.

[Rinji the Bearded]

BeastMTL wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

My head hurts.

I seriously just want Bioware to announce the freaking options so we don't have another eight months of this crap.

Agreed. Doesnt the PS3 and default non-import automatically make the VS the opposite gender ? If that's the case I doubt Kaidan would be the s/s LI.

Now that people can play the comic, you can choose which one survives.  ME3 will have something similar allegedly.

[Zeratul20]

78stonewobble wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...
I hate it when women start (over)generalizing, corr! (That is a joke.)

On a more serious note: recent studies have shown that the male and female "minds" are not so different. Most differences are induced by social stereotypes and upbringing. The differences among women themselves appear to be far greater than the differences between men and women in general.

On a more on-topic note: if he turns bi/gay, then let it be done in a sensible, well-written fashion. (E.g.: "being in the closet", etc.) As long as it's not a strange and obscure "twist" to the character's personality, I don't think anyone would mind.

Who the hell needed a study to know that?
 
Well to know that differences between individuals are atleast as big as gender differences.

*sigh* people amaze me sometimes.

First off: the study shows that gender differences are virtually non-existant, except for those that are a result of social stereotype, etc.
Second: It is important, to disprove and counteract ridiculous claims such as "you're a woman, you can't possibly understand, because this is MEN-TALK!" or "Yeah, I know how "men" think.", thankyouverymuch.

[ScotGaymer]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Now that people can play the comic, you can choose which one survives.  ME3 will have something similar allegedly.

Apparently the comic sucks.

It leaves out Noveria entirely apparently. :S

[Berkilak]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Now that people can play the comic, you can choose which one survives.  ME3 will have something similar allegedly.

Apparently the comic sucks.

It leaves out Noveria entirely apparently. :S

Because it's a vehicle for player choice, not something that goes through excruciating detail... saving the colonists or not, in the long run, doesn't matter.

[ScotGaymer]

Berkilak wrote...

Because it's a vehicle for player choice, not something that goes through excruciating detail... saving the colonists or not, in the long run, doesn't matter.

Um, that was Feros. Was it Feros that the comic missed?

[Estelindis]

Berkilak wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

It leaves out Noveria entirely apparently. :S

Because it's a vehicle for player choice, not something that goes through excruciating detail... saving the colonists or not, in the long run, doesn't matter.

Indeed, I believe FitScotGaymer meant Feros.  (Noveria could hardly be skipped; it has the rachni choice.)  But what about letting Shiala live or not?

When it comes to the comic and romance, the whole thing did seem to be trying to push Shepard towards Liara rather than Ashley or Kaidan, which I found a bit annoying.  I recall a thread at the time complaining that this would have been the perfect time to include same-sex romances choices (well, excluding Liara) as an option at relatively low dev cost, but, that said, it would have given comic-users a choice that ME1 players don't actually have and I imagine that would have kicked up a storm (especially considering Bioware has gone on to charge for the PC/XBox version). 

On the topic of a Kaidan romance with male Shepard, then, I notice a lot of people have modded ME1 to be able to play the FemShep romance as a man.  For anyone who has done this, do you intend to import that savegame into ME3?  Devs are on record as saying that they don't intend to try to fix any aspect of importing that gets messed up as a result of modding, and it's quite possible that the import of a Kaidan romance won't work for ManShep.

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 juin 2011 - 01:14 .

[ElitePinecone]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
 but couldn't you just ignore the threads? It's not mandatory to look at them. 

I could, but I like to keep up with the debate. 

It's not the threads specifically, although it's bad enough that there are five or six of them now. It's the sheer unedifying discussion and paucity of good debate.

There are many people (yourself included) who approach the topics willing to have a conversation and discuss stuff reasonably and civilly. Bt so many more - on both sides - just aren't willing to change their minds, or else barge into the middle of a thread with some facile comment that spawns another 10 pages of nothingness that masquerades as an argument. 

It's probably the nature of an internet forum, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to read. 

Then there's the sheer absurdity of basing two hundred pages of discussion on something we know nothing about. This forum seems to love hypothetical fearmongering (or, alternatively, over the top predictions of joy from the other side). 

[Berkilak]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

Because it's a vehicle for player choice, not something that goes through excruciating detail... saving the colonists or not, in the long run, doesn't matter.

Um, that was Feros. Was it Feros that the comic missed?

Yeah. You have the option to let the queen live or die.

[Berkilak]

By all means, lock the thread. I merely tried to ask a question, but people reacted against it more vehemently than if I had attacked beliefs held by generations of their families.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Both sides can act pretty foolish, but keep this topic to one thread if you can.

[Zeratul20]

I thought most people were rather calm and sensible about this. Admittedly, I've only started reading at, say, page 25 or so.

Nevertheless, ElitePineCone has a point. Nothing's been confirmed yet, so it's all up in the air. (Personally, I don't feel that the romances are the most important aspect of the game, anyway. But I respect the fact that others appear to enjoy them immensely. Even though some people's devotion to one specific character is a bit over the top and possibly unhealthy...)

Modifié par Zeratul20, 28 juin 2011 - 01:26 .

[Roachbugg]

Berkilak wrote...

 Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against homosexuality, but he's shown no signs of "batting for the other team," so to speak, so far. And it would be quite odd to have him changing teams all of a sudden. Remember how weird it was when Anders came onto you out of the blue?

It would just feel incredibily forced if he were to "come out" at this point.

He was orginally intended to be bi but was cut because of time constraints there for its really not hat out of the park think of it more as fixing a dumb mistake they made in the first game. honestly this whole issue would have been alot less annoying if bioware had S/S romaces from ME1 to begin with.

[KyreneZA]

Zeratul20 wrote...

First off: the study shows that gender differences are virtually non-existant, except for those that are a result of social stereotype, etc.
Second: It is important, to disprove and counteract ridiculous claims such as "you're a woman, you can't possibly understand, because this is MEN-TALK!" or "Yeah, I know how "men" think.", thankyouverymuch.

I predict a study will/already disprove/s what that study proved. It's the nature of studies, citing them and the proof they 'prove.' Kinda like the butter/margarine studies.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Zeratul20 wrote...

I thought most people were rather calm and sensible about this. Admittedly, I've only started reading at, say, page 25 or so.

Nevertheless, ElitePineCone has a point. Nothing's been confirmed yet, so it's all up in the air. (Personally, I don't feel that the romances are the most important aspect of the game, anyway. But I respect the fact that others appear to enjoy them immensely. Even though some people's devotion to one specific character is a bit over the top and possibly unhealthy...)

We're pretty much all barking at shadows at this point.

[ElitePinecone]

Berkilak wrote...

By all means, lock the thread. I merely tried to ask a question, but people reacted against it more vehemently than if I had attacked beliefs held by generations of their families.

Your original question was entirely reasonable - but unfortunately this topic tends to get hijacked by ideologues of every type. 

To attempt an answer: there are hundreds of reasons people like Kaidan as a character and a possible S/S LI. 

I would argue that because his sexuality wasn't explicitly established in the first game, and has remained ambiguous throughout the series, it would be within the ability of Bioware's writing team to craft a romance with a male Shepard in ME3 if that's the path they want to go down. 

He wouldn't be gay, he'd be bisexual - having had feelings for at least one woman, in Rahna. We don't know the gender of the doctor he was apparently 'dating' in ME2. 

I can appreciate that this isn't popuar, and it may be that Bioware opts to have totally new character as the S/S option - but I think it's important to point out that the character's sexuality has not been defined, and if Bioware do want to proceed with that option, it wouldn't be breaking the continuity in any way. 

[Zeratul20]

Kyrene wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

First off: the study shows that gender differences are virtually non-existant, except for those that are a result of social stereotype, etc.
Second: It is important, to disprove and counteract ridiculous claims such as "you're a woman, you can't possibly understand, because this is MEN-TALK!" or "Yeah, I know how "men" think.", thankyouverymuch.

I predict a study will/already disprove/s what that study proved. It's the nature of studies, citing them and the proof they 'prove.' Kinda like the butter/margarine studies.

Which is why I mentioned that it was a recent study. (Which I'm trying to find, right now, so I can link it... It's outside my field, so I didn't keep the bloody reference. My apologies.)