RinjiRenee wrote...
LeVaughnX wrote...
Well damn you restored my faith in humanity a bit by being so nice; thank you very much! I appriciate having a nice conversation with someone for once.
Romances in general are a minor part to the game but in the final of the series I figure it would play a larger role based on what you're doing with whom; everything has some cheezy love thing at the end you know that xD. Regardless of that I do have faith in Bioware a little; but they kind of dropped the ball by making a few key mistakes in ME1 and 2; adding salt to the wound just would irate me further. I did love both games, and I do read the books over and over, I'm a junkie for it. I just don't feel like it would be right to make some characters gay. If one could make a decent argument without it sounding like """OH WELL YOU CANT PROVE BLAH BLAH BLAH""" then maybe I'd see it their way more; but so far most people supporting S/S are as you see here - very mean and narrow minded...
Maybe you can take a crack at it?
*Make the characters bisexual, you mean. I hate to be nitpicky over this, but it's really not the same thing. I know what you mean, but I just wanna clear the air there.
My main argument for former characters becoming s/s (not all, two at most) actually has to do with another "a*spull" (I'm sure you can fill in the letter there lol) that was done in ME2 -- and that was Garrus and Tali. A lot of fans enjoyed them in ME1, but they showed no former interest in Shepard. All of a sudden, I play ME2, and Tali is getting all flustered when talking to my Shepard. Garrus is suddenly a romance option for Femshep, while he even admits to not being attracted to humans. Just Shepard.
I think most will agree that the Garrus and Tali romances were more or less given to the fans because they were popular characters. Well, if the writers are going to give those fans a bone, I don't see why turning former LIs (especially Ash and Kaidan) into s/s would be a huge deal. Garrus and Tali can apparently throw away the species barrier for Shepard, but the gender barrier seems to be stronger than that? I don't know, that seems kinda silly to me.
Yes, they weren't available for s/s in ME1, I understand. But making male Shepard able to flirt with males (which was impossible in the previous two games) would be somewhat of the same boat, wouldn't it? I mean, why make male Shepard able to flirt with males now, in the third and final game of the Shepard arc? Why waste the effort? As much as people say that Shepard is a vehicle for the player, he/she is only mostly that. There are still elements of the character that make Shepard his/her own person.
Now, my preference for former LIs turning s/s stem from the narrative. While the idea of finding that one new special person out there (where there was absolutely no one before) seems nice, I kind of like the idea of someone that you've known for quite a while to suddenly come around. It's not really a matter of fair or not fair... but rather a love story that seems less tacked on and out of the blue (all romances feel tacked on to me, just to reiterate). To compare, for example, it would be like all the ME1 fans of Garrus and Tali getting new romances in ME2, a new male Turian and a new female Quarian. Sure, the alien romance is now an option, but... it's not the same character you fell in love with. It's fanservice dealt in the coldest way possible.
Am I making sense?
Ahhhh this is a very good response, I applaud you for it! No one so far has given me ANY sort of intelligent reply - but this one is just awesome in every way shape or form!
Let me say flat out that I think the Species Barrier is broken only because Garrus had time to warm up to Shepard and same with Tali. However even in real life Gender is a touchy thing. I had a gay friend who tried his best to be straight for a long time; he ended up turning kind of Bisexual but that was alright - he genuinely felt like it was meant to be what he was you know? I didn't see him as a pure straight male or gay; wouldn't have made sense. His mannerisms and his attitude, how he looked, how he acted toward certian people etc all kind of made him seem like he went down both roads - no problem there.
Garrus never seemed interested in another man though; otherwise he may have shown some sort of sign about him liking another male in the Turian Species; butttt he did go on and have fun with a female during a "fist fight" cough cough heh...
Tali - The thing I can say off hand about that is (sorry I'm kind of irritated over the uh massive flamewar going on) Kelly (a psychologist?...wewiohuiosfuiosdh blehhhh...) suggests her body language is different if you're a male Shepard. Where as if you're female Kelly (to my knowledge) doesn't see it; though its her job to kind of do so.
I'm sure I could come up with (or someone could) more reasons why certian people can't be "Bisexual" - but meh..Kaidan I can kind of see it...its more about his "looks" and don't tell me that some people don't have "eyes" that give them away or anything. Eyes tell more about people sometimes than anything else really; and its true all mothers who care about their kids know this, its how they knew we lied about detention hah. Ashley however...I don't really know what to say about her anymore; they really seemed to mess her character up during the transition between 1 and 2 in my mind.
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