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[Sierra Crysis]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Just don't change their personalities.

[shepskisaac]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
FemShep is playable for both men and women (as we all know, there's guys who play as femShep only or mostly her), though. It's not just a woman that has a say in that.

Of course, but they're the most similar to FemShep thus can identify with her the deepest and it's them that play FemShep the most, so wouldn't they know the best what's best for FemShep? That's just my opinion on lots of things. I have my own views on some FemShep aspects (like for example should there or shouldn't there be sexism towards FemShep in ME universe) and will speak about them but won't try to say I know better then female players or that my opinion should matter more. Same like I wouldn't say I know totally the best what should be fixed in a class I rarely play or don't play at all.

I guess the question is will you be even playing these male-male romances?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 juin 2011 - 06:30 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Just don't change their personalities.

Yes,  because this is OBVIOUSLY what everyone wants.  I want every bisexual female to suddenly go butch and all the bi males to become fabulous.  I mean how else am I suppose to know?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Just don't change their personalities.

No one wants that.   However, it has been two years, and a lot has happened to Kaidan and Ashley.  Who's to say that they'll be the same?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 28 juin 2011 - 06:31 .

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Yes,  because this is OBVIOUSLY what everyone wants.  I want every bisexual female to suddenly go butch and all the bi males to become fabulous.  I mean how else am I suppose to know?

Which is especially unlikely considering Ash just Mirandafied herself up and Kaidan put on some more muscules If anything, they seem to went even further into idealistic gender look lol. So no motorcycle lesbians and queeny gays

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 juin 2011 - 06:34 .

[VegasVance]

IsaacShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Yes,  because this is OBVIOUSLY what everyone wants.  I want every bisexual female to suddenly go butch and all the bi males to become fabulous.  I mean how else am I suppose to know?

Which is especially unlikely considering Ash just Mirandafied herself up and Kaidan put on some more muscules If anything, they seem to went even further into idealistic gender look lol. So no motorcycle lesbians and queeny gays

So now Ash is Kaidan-ified
And Kaidan is Ash-ified 

At least in mine images.wikia.com/masseffect/images/1/11/Virmire-The_nuke_explodes.png

Modifié par VegasVance, 28 juin 2011 - 06:36 .

[Twilight_Princess]

IsaacShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Yes,  because this is OBVIOUSLY what everyone wants.  I want every bisexual female to suddenly go butch and all the bi males to become fabulous.  I mean how else am I suppose to know?

Which is especially unlikely considering Ash just Mirandafied herself up Kaidan looks the same

He looks a bit more rugged to me, bit of grey in his hair visible stubble, less neat looking than he used to be. At first glance it looks like he's been fighting more in his spare time than ashley.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Hmmm....

It feels like Ron Weasley becoming the LI of Harry Potter in the last 2 books of the series.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Hmmm....

It feels like Ron Weasley becoming the LI of Harry Potter in the last 2 books of the series.

Or not...

*stare*  What.

Or like Dumbledore suddenly becoming gay, because how out of left field would that be!

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 28 juin 2011 - 06:52 .

[Raanz]

After reading 35 pages of this thread, I see four camps at this bonfire:

1. Folks who simply do not like homosexuals/bisexuals and want no part of that life style represented in a game they play.
They obviously get slammed for this

2. Folks who do not want first-run characters to be "changed" but would welcome s/s romances with new or non-prior LIs.
They get slammed because they do not agree with the angry mob (who might not all be angry or a mob, but a handful ruins it for the rest)

3. Folks that want s/s with old characters and don't care what others think as long as they get what they want (again, this is perception propagated by a few)
They get slammed by A). folks that do not care for the sexual preferences and . folks that feel that group "3" have an arrogance about them and eventually lump them into the group "1" category.

4. Folks who could care less one way or another, and wish it would all just go away.
They don't get slammed

I'm pretty sure these are the players in this *cough* debate.

[mya11]

Raanz wrote...

After reading 35 pages of this thread, I see four camps at this bonfire:

1. Folks who simply do not like homosexuals/bisexuals and want no part of that life style represented in a game they play.
They obviously get slammed for this

2. Folks who do not want first-run characters to be "changed" but would welcome s/s romances with new or non-prior LIs.
They get slammed because they do not agree with the angry mob (who might not all be angry or a mob, but a handful ruins it for the rest)

3. Folks that want s/s with old characters and don't care what others think as long as they get what they want (again, this is perception propagated by a few)
They get slammed by A). folks that do not care for the sexual preferences and . folks that feel that group "3" have an arrogance about them and eventually lump them into the group "1" category.

4. Folks who could care less one way or another, and wish it would all just go away.
They don't get slammed

I'm pretty sure these are the players in this *cough* debate.

Agree

[Rinji the Bearded]

Raanz wrote...

After reading 35 pages of this thread, I see four camps at this bonfire:

1. Folks who simply do not like homosexuals/bisexuals and want no part of that life style represented in a game they play.
They obviously get slammed for this

2. Folks who do not want first-run characters to be "changed" but would welcome s/s romances with new or non-prior LIs.
They get slammed because they do not agree with the angry mob (who might not all be angry or a mob, but a handful ruins it for the rest)

3. Folks that want s/s with old characters and don't care what others think as long as they get what they want (again, this is perception propagated by a few)
They get slammed by A). folks that do not care for the sexual preferences and . folks that feel that group "3" have an arrogance about them and eventually lump them into the group "1" category.

4. Folks who could care less one way or another, and wish it would all just go away.
They don't get slammed

I'm pretty sure these are the players in this *cough* debate.

5. People that oversimplify the matter and lump people together due to the "perception propagated by the few" instead of taking each argument as its own and not thinking it as part of some hidden agenda.

People in the above category should be ashamed of derailing the argument and not actually lending anything to said argument.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 28 juin 2011 - 07:11 .

[Captain_Obvious]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I was fine with LIs being bi in DA2 as well, as that's how they started out.

And sure, it's a game, but a story based game needs to have some believablility. Mind you, I'm not just talking about the sexuality of characters, I'm talking about everything. And yes, I do have some issues with ME3, but I won't complain about them as they are going to be in the game.

So what you're saying is that you are not willing to sacrifice believability when it comes to sexuality, but you are willing to sacrifice it for the sake of mass effect relays, people in space, alien civilizations, mono-gendered intelligent life forms, biotic powers, and glowey things that magically appear as computer interfaces?  To clarify, I use these examples because as far as I know, no one has a problem with the suspension of belief for them.  I do not know what other issues you may have with the game. 

It doesn't make sense to me to allow in inter-species romance, straight or otherwise, then claim believability as the standard for human bisexual and homosexual relationships.  As far as I know, people may argue about whether Liara is a S/S love interest or not, but no one has said outright "no sex with aliens, it's not believable".  I understand having a desire for continuity.  I don't however think that any one person's desire for continuity should color the entire experience of any other person's game. 

[Ryzaki]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I was fine with LIs being bi in DA2 as well, as that's how they started out.

And sure, it's a game, but a story based game needs to have some believablility. Mind you, I'm not just talking about the sexuality of characters, I'm talking about everything. And yes, I do have some issues with ME3, but I won't complain about them as they are going to be in the game.

So what you're saying is that you are not willing to sacrifice believability when it comes to sexuality, but you are willing to sacrifice it for the sake of mass effect relays, people in space, alien civilizations, mono-gendered intelligent life forms, biotic powers, and glowey things that magically appear as computer interfaces?  To clarify, I use these examples because as far as I know, no one has a problem with the suspension of belief for them.  I do not know what other issues you may have with the game. 

It doesn't make sense to me to allow in inter-species romance, straight or otherwise, then claim believability as the standard for human bisexual and homosexual relationships.  As far as I know, people may argue about whether Liara is a S/S love interest or not, but no one has said outright "no sex with aliens, it's not believable".  I understand having a desire for continuity.  I don't however think that any one person's desire for continuity should color the entire experience of any other person's game.

 
I have a few friends who say that.

I don't think they're against /s romances though. 

[Twilight_Princess]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I was fine with LIs being bi in DA2 as well, as that's how they started out.

And sure, it's a game, but a story based game needs to have some believablility. Mind you, I'm not just talking about the sexuality of characters, I'm talking about everything. And yes, I do have some issues with ME3, but I won't complain about them as they are going to be in the game.

So what you're saying is that you are not willing to sacrifice believability when it comes to sexuality, but you are willing to sacrifice it for the sake of mass effect relays, people in space, alien civilizations, mono-gendered intelligent life forms, biotic powers, and glowey things that magically appear as computer interfaces?  To clarify, I use these examples because as far as I know, no one has a problem with the suspension of belief for them.  I do not know what other issues you may have with the game. 

It doesn't make sense to me to allow in inter-species romance, straight or otherwise, then claim believability as the standard for human bisexual and homosexual relationships.  As far as I know, people may argue about whether Liara is a S/S love interest or not, but no one has said outright "no sex with aliens, it's not believable".  I understand having a desire for continuity.  I don't however think that any one person's desire for continuity should color the entire experience of any other person's game. 

That's not what I'm saying. I already said that I do have other problems with other things in Mass Effect.

Maybe variation is a better word? Ideally there should be a good mix of gay straight and bi characters , because slight limitation encourages you to play the other sex (just how being an elf or dwarf in DA meant people reacted to you different) and it would be a better portrayal of various kinds of sexualities that exist.

[Zkyire]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Just don't change their personalities.

No one wants that.   However, it has been two years, and a lot has happened to Kaidan and Ashley.  Who's to say that they'll be the same?

Exactly like Anders then?

Huge gaps in the storyline and then they appear as a very different person is a terrible thing.

in DA2 Anders changed in huuuuuuuge ways, but we saw absolutely none of that transition.

He's just "AWW KITTY" and then "GOD DAMNIT MUST KILL EVERY TEMPLAR SVFDSAFHDSGAJHGFJDSA!"

They passed it off as "Yeah I joined with Justice.. then he became Vengeance". But we didn't see any of that gradual transformation, at all. They may aswell have introduced a completely different character.

I hope they don't do this with Kaiden/Ashley. Yes things can change but a MASSIVE change in personality just because "Oh I'm a Spectre now" isn't going to be very fun.

[Captain_Obvious]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I was fine with LIs being bi in DA2 as well, as that's how they started out.

And sure, it's a game, but a story based game needs to have some believablility. Mind you, I'm not just talking about the sexuality of characters, I'm talking about everything. And yes, I do have some issues with ME3, but I won't complain about them as they are going to be in the game.

So what you're saying is that you are not willing to sacrifice believability when it comes to sexuality, but you are willing to sacrifice it for the sake of mass effect relays, people in space, alien civilizations, mono-gendered intelligent life forms, biotic powers, and glowey things that magically appear as computer interfaces?  To clarify, I use these examples because as far as I know, no one has a problem with the suspension of belief for them.  I do not know what other issues you may have with the game. 

It doesn't make sense to me to allow in inter-species romance, straight or otherwise, then claim believability as the standard for human bisexual and homosexual relationships.  As far as I know, people may argue about whether Liara is a S/S love interest or not, but no one has said outright "no sex with aliens, it's not believable".  I understand having a desire for continuity.  I don't however think that any one person's desire for continuity should color the entire experience of any other person's game. 

That's not what I'm saying. I already said that I do have other problems with other things in Mass Effect.

Maybe variation is a better word? Ideally there should be a good mix of gay straight and bi characters , because slight limitation encourages you to play the other sex (just how being an elf or dwarf in DA meant people reacted to you different) and it would be a better portrayal of various kinds of sexualities that exist.

I don't know.  Maybe we just have to agree that no matter what is in the game, someone is going to be disappointed.  Sort of like my prediction for the "Tali's face reveal".    No matter how you do it, you're screwed. 

For the record, I want a Kaidan s/s romance cuz he's been my favorite since he was Carth Onasi.  That's all. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Exactly like Anders then?

Huge gaps in the storyline and then they appear as a very different person is a terrible thing.

in DA2 Anders changed in huuuuuuuge ways, but we saw absolutely none of that transition.

He's just "AWW KITTY" and then "GOD DAMNIT MUST KILL EVERY TEMPLAR SVFDSAFHDSGAJHGFJDSA!"

They passed it off as "Yeah I joined with Justice.. then he became Vengeance". But we didn't see any of that gradual transformation, at all. They may aswell have introduced a completely different character.

I hope they don't do this with Kaiden/Ashley. Yes things can change but a MASSIVE change in personality just because "Oh I'm a Spectre now" isn't going to be very fun.

I highly doubt that Kaidan and Ashley will suddenly become terrorists, but I would be bored by them if they were just back to the status quo, especially after what happened on Horizon.

And I saw his transition beginning in DA:A, must I get my friend to get the hints out again?

[Zkyire]

RinjiRenee wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Exactly like Anders then?

Huge gaps in the storyline and then they appear as a very different person is a terrible thing.

in DA2 Anders changed in huuuuuuuge ways, but we saw absolutely none of that transition.

He's just "AWW KITTY" and then "GOD DAMNIT MUST KILL EVERY TEMPLAR SVFDSAFHDSGAJHGFJDSA!"

They passed it off as "Yeah I joined with Justice.. then he became Vengeance". But we didn't see any of that gradual transformation, at all. They may aswell have introduced a completely different character.

I hope they don't do this with Kaiden/Ashley. Yes things can change but a MASSIVE change in personality just because "Oh I'm a Spectre now" isn't going to be very fun.

I highly doubt that Kaidan and Ashley will suddenly become terrorists, but I would be bored by them if they were just back to the status quo, especially after what happened on Horizon.

And I saw his transition beginning in DA:A, must I get my friend to get the hints out again?

I know there will (and should be changes) but just not to the degree of DA2-Anders. Also what transition? He didn't actually have Justice within him during DA:A. That happened afterwards.

[AngelicMachinery]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Exactly like Anders then?

Huge gaps in the storyline and then they appear as a very different person is a terrible thing.

in DA2 Anders changed in huuuuuuuge ways, but we saw absolutely none of that transition.

He's just "AWW KITTY" and then "GOD DAMNIT MUST KILL EVERY TEMPLAR SVFDSAFHDSGAJHGFJDSA!"

They passed it off as "Yeah I joined with Justice.. then he became Vengeance". But we didn't see any of that gradual transformation, at all. They may aswell have introduced a completely different character.

I hope they don't do this with Kaiden/Ashley. Yes things can change but a MASSIVE change in personality just because "Oh I'm a Spectre now" isn't going to be very fun.

I highly doubt that Kaidan and Ashley will suddenly become terrorists, but I would be bored by them if they were just back to the status quo, especially after what happened on Horizon.

And I saw his transition beginning in DA:A, must I get my friend to get the hints out again?

I know there will (and should be changes) but just not to the degree of DA2-Anders. Also what transition? He didn't actually have Justice within him during DA:A. That happened afterwards.

Ander's is a crazy person,  I thought that much was obvious.  He may seem sane in DAA,  but,  he was obviously in a lucid period.  At least that's what I tell myself..  though,  I did see the blossoming of a revolutionary in him...  but never a whiny terrorist.  I haven't managed a play through yet where I can keep him a live,  he's just as big of a monster as Meredith.

[Zkyire]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Exactly like Anders then?

Huge gaps in the storyline and then they appear as a very different person is a terrible thing.

in DA2 Anders changed in huuuuuuuge ways, but we saw absolutely none of that transition.

He's just "AWW KITTY" and then "GOD DAMNIT MUST KILL EVERY TEMPLAR SVFDSAFHDSGAJHGFJDSA!"

They passed it off as "Yeah I joined with Justice.. then he became Vengeance". But we didn't see any of that gradual transformation, at all. They may aswell have introduced a completely different character.

I hope they don't do this with Kaiden/Ashley. Yes things can change but a MASSIVE change in personality just because "Oh I'm a Spectre now" isn't going to be very fun.

I highly doubt that Kaidan and Ashley will suddenly become terrorists, but I would be bored by them if they were just back to the status quo, especially after what happened on Horizon.

And I saw his transition beginning in DA:A, must I get my friend to get the hints out again?

I know there will (and should be changes) but just not to the degree of DA2-Anders. Also what transition? He didn't actually have Justice within him during DA:A. That happened afterwards.

Ander's is a crazy person,  I thought that much was obvious.  He may seem sane in DAA,  but,  he was obviously in a lucid period.  At least that's what I tell myself..  though,  I did see the blossoming of a revolutionary in him...  but never a whiny terrorist.  I haven't managed a play through yet where I can keep him a live,  he's just as big of a monster as Meredith.

See that's the kind of thing that would have been nice for the writers to have put in during DA:A, rather than having us go "Uh.. what the hell happened to you Anders?"

Anyway I don't want to get into a full blown discussion about Dragon Age in this thread, intention was only for a brief comparison.

[Rinji the Bearded]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

I know there will (and should be changes) but just not to the degree of DA2-Anders. Also what transition? He didn't actually have Justice within him during DA:A. That happened afterwards.

The hints were heavily dropped in DA:A, please read this.

The change didn't come out of nowhere.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 28 juin 2011 - 08:10 .