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[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Berkilak wrote...

That fiery, idealistic personality should have shown more often, and it just seems that the tacked-on romance resulted in his character being toned down from what it could have been in order to pander to fans.

How are you arriving to these conclusions? You make these statements with no evidence or examples to back them up and I have to wonder where on earth you're getting them from other than "I'm repeating things I've heard other people say about it".

His romance dialogue is almost entirely the same as his normal dialogue plus a few special scenes and lines.

You lose out on a few interesting conversations (on rivarly at least) if you romance him. But it's not that much (though it is enough to make me wanna not romance him more often than so). 

[Dean_the_Young]

Why?

Because Kaidan looks like he'd bottom, unlike just about every other prospective M/M romance so far.

[jbblue05]

jlb524 wrote...

[Testostorone?   I thought he had more 'balls' in DA2.

I thought he had PMS throughout DA2

[Ryzaki]

jbblue05 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

[Testostorone?   I thought he had more 'balls' in DA2.

I thought he had PMS throughout DA2

Oh for pete's sake. You could bother saying he had the male version IMS. There's no way he can have PMS without being a woman. 

[upsettingshorts]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Perhaps it was a coping mechanism, before, but if it were, would he concievably do it more, or just as badly after joining with Justice..?

Not really, considering what Justice does for his psyche in general.  His new way of coping with the injustice he already saw in the world - before the merger - is decisive, proactive action, spurred on by the singular devotion of a Fade spirit who can't comprehend any other approach.  He writes manifestos and goes out of his way to help other mages and blows things up. 

Sierra Crysis wrote...

My point is whether or not they have a reason to change him, that they killed any light by changing him in that manner.. And then they give you all the reason in the world to want to slit his throat. Just as well, the character was dead from the beginning of the game on anyways.

Sure, but that's got little or nothing to do with Kaidan S/S, or even Anders S/S.  It has a tremendous amount to do with what happens in Dragon Age 2 overall, however, and Thedas in general.  Breaking down the cheerful guy into someone dark and violent is a pretty effective storytelling device, and I think they pulled it off well with Anders.  It shows that even a merger with a "good" Fade spirit can have disastrous, life-altering consequences - something we as an audience had previously only associated with possession by demons of vice.

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I can't do anything about it, but I'll sigh and shake my head.

I'm not sure I can respond to this paragraph as I'm unable to relate to your premise.  Is it your contention that you simply want an LI who can be defined as "normal" and "assertive?"

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I still stand by the fact that it won't be Kaiden or Ash, because of the aforementioned reasons. (It would also be really weird if Ash came onto me because she's more like a sister in my MEverse, lol, and if it popped up some kinda flirty thing from me typically being paragon to friends or she started reading poetry to me, well.. I'd just face-palm.

Isn't that just another way of saying that you don't want it because it violates your head canon?  Which as a subjective position relating to desires - "I want ME3 to be this" - is fine, but it's really not much more than that, ultimately, is it?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 juin 2011 - 04:19 .

[jbblue05]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

[Testostorone?   I thought he had more 'balls' in DA2.

I thought he had PMS throughout DA2

Oh for pete's sake. You could bother saying he had the male version IMS. There's no way he can have PMS without being a woman. 

well I thought he was very feminime in DA2

[Berkilak]

Siansonea II wrote...

That's your perception, and your opinion about writing quality and "pandering". You'll understand if others have differing opinions?

I merely asked why, and that's been answered, for the most part. However, people began personal attacks as I tried to discuss it, and thusly became defensive in my sleep-deprived state. I'll take my leave now, my question having been answered.

If they do it, I just hope they do it well and convincingly... and not ignore the fact that showed no interest during ME1. I prefer strictly homosexual or strictly heterosexual relationships in games since they can be more dynamic than a romance that needs to be applied to two genders. But if it can be done well... all the more power to you.

[VegasVance]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

[Testostorone?   I thought he had more 'balls' in DA2.

I thought he had PMS throughout DA2

Oh for pete's sake. You could bother saying he had the male version IMS. There's no way he can have PMS without being a woman. 

Possessed Man Syndrome, duh.  You not thinking bro? 

[ipgd]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

Perhaps it was a coping mechanism, before, but if it were, would he concievably do it more, or just as badly after joining with Justice..? My point is whether or not they have a reason to change him, that they killed any light by changing him in that manner.. And then they give you all the reason in the world to want to slit his throat. Just as well, the character was dead from the beginning of the game on anyways.

What gave you the impression that Justice is a humorous, funny guy? Justice strips him of his ability to ignore the injustices he's been faced with. Anders's humor was almost entirely based on deflecting and running away from his problems, so it would make little sense for him to keep that up.

The idea he really was some kind of face-value petulant fratboy in Awakening is kind of absurd. Recall he spent an entire year in solitary confinement. His character in Awakening is pretty consistent with a manic-depressive on a manic upswing, in retrospect.

[Ryzaki]

jbblue05 wrote...

well I thought he was very feminime in DA2

*facepalm* Even if he was feminine (which he isn't) he still wouldn't be a woman.

VegasVance wrote...
Possessed Man Syndrome, duh.  You not thinking bro? 

Nice.  I wasn't thinking. 

[NICKjnp]

This is all personal opinion. In the end it isn't up to any of us but rather Bioware. Everyone has an opinion on the implementation of s/s options in-game. And those opinions run the rull gambit of the spectrum. And since it is an opinion nobody is right and nobody is wrong...it is all personal opinion. The only time it becomes "wrong" is when people start telling each other that only their opinion matters and that everyone else is wrong because they don't agree.

Like the OP I don't think that Kaidan should be a s/s option. I don't think he should be one because he wasn't an option in previous games and I think that him being bisexual now and not before doesn't make sense (and it just seems tacked on). I think that for all the characters. Then again that is only my opinion and it is neither right or wrong. Some people feel differently and have interpreted some of the things he says in ME2 to be the opposite. That is their opinion and it doesn't make it right or wrong. It doesn't make is more or less valid than the opinion of anyone else.

So let's please stop all the fighting in the threads. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

[amcnow]

NICKjnp wrote...

This is all personal opinion. In the end it isn't up to any of us but rather Bioware. Everyone has an opinion on the implementation of s/s options in-game. And those opinions run the rull gambit of the spectrum. And since it is an opinion nobody is right and nobody is wrong...it is all personal opinion. The only time it becomes "wrong" is when people start telling each other that only their opinion matters and that everyone else is wrong because they don't agree.

Like the OP I don't think that Kaidan should be a s/s option. I don't think he should be one because he wasn't an option in previous games and I think that him being bisexual now and not before doesn't make sense (and it just seems tacked on). I think that for all the characters. Then again that is only my opinion and it is neither right or wrong. Some people feel differently and have interpreted some of the things he says in ME2 to be the opposite. That is their opinion and it doesn't make it right or wrong. It doesn't make is more or less valid than the opinion of anyone else.

So let's please stop all the fighting in the threads. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

This.

[jbblue05]

Ryzaki wrote...




*facepalm* Even if he was feminine (which he isn't) he still wouldn't be a woman.

  He acted like a female personailty wise to me

Modifié par jbblue05, 27 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[Ryzaki]

jbblue05 wrote...
  He acted like a female personailty wise to me

Let me put this in small words. 

You can't have PMS unless you're a woman. 

Do you understand? 

[ipgd]

jbblue05 wrote...

  He acted like a female personailty wise to me

No he didn't.

[VegasVance]

Also as long as they don't do this www.youtube.com/watch.
I'm fine.

[Ryzaki]

VegasVance wrote...

Also as long as they don't do this www.youtube.com/watch.
I'm fine.

 

That should totally be optional to  Male Shepard though. 

[upsettingshorts]

NICKjnp wrote...

This is all personal opinion.

Opinion + Justification + Public = Invitation to discussion.

As a general rule if you don't want your opinions challenged, keep them to yourself.

NICKjnp wrote...

Then again that is only my opinion and it is neither right or wrong.

I'm not sure who I should blame for ingraining this notion that opinions cannot be right or wrong in peoples' minds, but it's, well, wrong.  Expressing an opinion in a convincing and coherent fashion is called rhetoric, and it's not a new thing.

NICKjnp wrote...

So let's please stop all the fighting in the threads. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

No.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 juin 2011 - 04:27 .

[jbblue05]

ipgd wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

  He acted like a female personailty wise to me

No he didn't.

[NICKjnp]

To have PMS you have to be able to menstrate. Men don't menstrate so no PMS.

[ElitePinecone]

BioWare are well aware of concerns about continuity and explanations.

To wit:

Casey Hudson wrote...

I'm confident that our writing team will handle LI's in #ME3 with sophistication and preserve character continuity.

Comparisons with Anders are unwarranted. He was possessed, for crying out loud. The personality change was done for a reason.

[Berkilak]

NICKjnp wrote...

This is all personal opinion. In the end it isn't up to any of us but rather Bioware. Everyone has an opinion on the implementation of s/s options in-game. And those opinions run the rull gambit of the spectrum. And since it is an opinion nobody is right and nobody is wrong...it is all personal opinion. The only time it becomes "wrong" is when people start telling each other that only their opinion matters and that everyone else is wrong because they don't agree.

Like the OP I don't think that Kaidan should be a s/s option. I don't think he should be one because he wasn't an option in previous games and I think that him being bisexual now and not before doesn't make sense (and it just seems tacked on). I think that for all the characters. Then again that is only my opinion and it is neither right or wrong. Some people feel differently and have interpreted some of the things he says in ME2 to be the opposite. That is their opinion and it doesn't make it right or wrong. It doesn't make is more or less valid than the opinion of anyone else.

So let's please stop all the fighting in the threads. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

I didn't intend to start a fight... just seems like the proponents of the Male Kaidan romance are itching for one, making personal attacks from the get-go. Or they're just so used to the fighting that they fail to perceive an attempted discussion as such, and not a flame against them.

Modifié par Berkilak, 27 juin 2011 - 04:29 .

[ipgd]

VegasVance wrote...

Also as long as they don't do this www.youtube.com/watch.
I'm fine.

MGS2 was a masterpiece and I take great pity upon the filthy plebeians without the mental faculties to comprehend its depth and glory.

[jbblue05]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
  He acted like a female personailty wise to me

Let me put this in small words. 

You can't have PMS unless you're a woman. 

Do you understand? 

You're not understandiing the tone in which I used PMS.

[Sierra Crysis]

ipgd wrote...

How are you arriving to these conclusions? You make these statements with no evidence or examples to back them up and I have to wonder where on earth you're getting them from other than "I'm repeating things I've heard other people say about it".

His romance dialogue is almost entirely the same as his normal dialogue plus a few special scenes and lines.

Not to get into a shallow debate with you, because he was probably the least shallow character in DA2 with the single largest affect, but the romance was very lacking. The romance, I do consider to be shallow in everything from the ways the lines are delivered to the way that he literally leaps the love word at you freely and keeps throwing these I'll hurt you lines... And the only way you can respond is like.. Oh yeah baby I like to be hurt. I get that there's time skips inbetween each dialogue, in the form of years... But only giving you the dialogue where he's practically repeating himself with the love professing is just weak in my opinion.

It really does feel forced, and then at the climax I practically HAVE to kill him because.. It's just hard to allow such a monster to survive, whether you believe in his cause or not. It's like supporting any terrorist act since the beginning of time where heaps of innocence are slain for some... "greater" cause.