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[ElitePinecone]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

New players won't know who the heck Kaidan is anyway. 

Sure they would!

He's that "good kid" from the comic!

The one who is oddly, older than Shepard 

I really didn't like that description. The whole way Genesis was written just... irked me. 

[LiquidGrape]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

New players won't know who the heck Kaidan is anyway. 

Sure they would!

He's that "good kid" from the comic!

No no no, that was Kaiden!

Also:

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I support Dr. Chakwas for f/f romance. Who doesn't sometimes fantasize about the older, wiser woman, teaching us the ways of the flesh?

Yes plox.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 27 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[Computer_God91]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
So then the S/S crowd is the equivalent to a screaming mob or a band of cry baby children? 

Not at all. Being vocal does not equal being demanding or arrogant.

Anyone who says the s/s crowd has been demanding or arrogant toward Bioware either doesn't know what they're talking about or had a very bad example to go off of.

I don't think they are being demanding as a whole. I said to see if I could ****** off some people. The fact that someone said the "S/S crowd demands it" is however something that makes me angry because now people feel that the S/S crowd's opinion must be followed. And I don't care if that person was serious or not.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

New players won't know who the heck Kaidan is anyway. 

Sure they would!

He's that "good kid" from the comic!

Excuse me, no good kid swings his hips like this.

Pompadours just scream sexual deviant.

[Ryzaki]

Filament wrote...

Because Vega's haircut is so gauche.

 

I will never understand the issue with Vega's hair. It's fine. 

[xassantex]

hahaha,
February 2012
new topic :
"why do people want KaidEn for s/s so much? " .

Modifié par xassantex, 27 juin 2011 - 05:18 .

[VegasVance]

Computer_God91 wrote...
I never said I thought a chakwas romance was reasonable or unreasonable. Honestly I don't care if its either one. A reasonable request to me would be a gameplay suggestion that is over looked because there are 50,000 people screaming their faces off in a different thread to get what they want.

Also I don't even think a chakwas romance is possible anyhow, I'm mostly screwing around. However, I thought S/S in ME wasn't possible so I could be wrong.

You do know why this is seperate from the other forum right?
Its like this Mass Effect 3 General Disscussion is the Senate.  Serious issues of gameplay go there.
Mass Effect 3 Character Disscussion is the House of Representatives.  Fan-mances go here.  Here where shouting out "You lie" is tons more acceptable because of the higher traffic.
Bioware is the Exectuive Branch they decide what actually goes in.  They are more apt to listen to the "Senate" than the House of Reps due to the former being less baised around emotion than the latter.  However Bioware has final say in what actually goes in, so complaining about people complaining in the House of Reps is just like blowing in the wind.  

[upsettingshorts]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I think they could've handled it in a very different light, one that would've been much better and made for a far more promising LI.

I'd rather they continue to write the character first and determine whether or not they'd make a love interest they'd want players to pursue second.

Love interests written to be promising love interests well, frankly, suck.

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I do think that you're a little bias that it could happen in any other shape or light then it did, and more importantly, I think that it makes all the sense in the world that whether or not Anders was a LI at all is appropriate for this thread.

If I'm biased in any way I suppose it is because I view Anders' actions in Act 3 as being wildly more important than his potential appeal as an LI. 

[Maugrim]

Yeah mainstream gaming sites that picked up and featured the FFTL campaign....0. Mainstreaming gaming sites that picked up the entitled privilege of certain gamers whining and acting out about the all-bi DA2 characters...well I don't know the exact number but quite a few. Kotaku and the Escapist are two big names that come first to mind.

Yeah we aren't the loud ones, not by a long shot.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 27 juin 2011 - 05:21 .

[ladyvader]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

not my cup of tea; I'm not the only one.

Should every romance always be everyone's cup of tea? 

That said, I'm not sure Anders set any kind of precedent other than the fact BioWare isn't going to shy away from making them occasionally wildly controversial - in both the game world and in a meta sense.

No, but we should be given a choice. 

[Computer_God91]

HopHazzard wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

The S/S lobby demands it, though.

This little sentence pisses me off more then anything. I like how the S/S people are making demands of Bioware and like the little whipped animal the follow. Yet when people make reasonable requests nobody should listen to them.

That's how it works though. In any situation, the people who shout the loudest get the most attention paid to them. That's really the whole point of shouting.

Apparently.

So then the S/S crowd is the equivalent to a screaming mob or a band of cry baby children? 

Screaming mob. And personally, I don't have a problem with the behavior. It worked for the people who wanted to romance Tali and Garrus. Why shouldn't other groups with special interests employ the same tactic?

Exactly what I'm pointing out. The people that are screaming the loudest are getting what they want will other people who quietly suggest things are brushed off. I don't think thats right.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 27 juin 2011 - 05:23 .

[ElitePinecone]

Computer_God91 wrote...

I don't think they are being demanding as a whole. I said to see if I could ****** off some people. The fact that someone said the "S/S crowd demands it" is however something that makes me angry because now people feel that the S/S crowd's opinion must be followed. And I don't care if that person was serious or not.

Firstly, trolling is bad. Don't post provocative stuff just to see the reaction. It's immature.

Secondly, what people? Seriously?

"We" - and I'm generalising for the pro S/S crowd because generalising seems to be the hip thing among the young people these days - had no idea this was coming.

It was asked for, suggested, discussed, debated, whatever, for two years and at least five forum topics. Hundreds of pages. For two games every question that was asked about S/S romances by the gaming media was met with a non-answer or ignored. 

We had no clue. No connection to Bioware. No secret nod and wink that this was all worth it.

Up until the decision was made to delay ME3's development, S/S romances weren't even in the game. The early interviews said no new romances at all. 

When Bioware had more resources and more time, they obviously thought accomodating more options was something that could feasibly be done. 

But not because we demanded it. To assume such is both presumptuous and verging on paranoia. 

[ipgd]

Sierra Crysis wrote...

I think they could've handled it in a very different light, one that would've been much better and made for a far more promising LI. If they intended him to be that way, then yeah I concede that. Bioware's vision for games is greater than what I or the community feels is right, but as a fan I should beable to critisize that vision after the fact and supplement it with the appropriate what-ifs and so on. I'm not saying that you or anyone is inhibiting that. I do think that you're a little bias that it could happen in any other shape or light then it did, and more importantly, I think that it makes all the sense in the world that whether or not Anders was a LI at all is appropriate for this thread.

Throwing an LI in there, heterosexual or not for the sake of having it isn't something I want to see in Bioware games, and we all know that they're prone to do it. It applies to this thread because you can turn around and say the same thing about bisexuality, and it's times like this that I reminisce about the single LIs per gender that happened in previous Bioware titles; where the romances were very sculpted for the gender.

"Thrown in" is not something I would criticize Anders for. The way it is done is thoroughly atypical, and as you have acknowledged, repulsive to many. Why would they have written such a depressing, cynical arc if their intent were to pander by tacking on the ability to suck his dick? I guarantee to you it would look much, much different if making a base appeal were the motivation behind making him a romance option.

If anything, changing him so he would be a more typically appealing romance option sounds exactly like the kind of pandering you're complaining about.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Exactly what I'm pointing out. The people that are screaming the loudest are getting what they want will other people who queitly suggest things are brushed off. I don't think thats right.

Who is quietly suggesting and what are these said people quietly suggesting?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 27 juin 2011 - 05:22 .

[Sierra Crysis]

ipgd wrote...

Not my thing at all. I hate that entire character archetype. I like it because it deliberately subverts that archetype in a way that is intellectually appealing to me. I'd certainly hope people would hate it if it really were a face-value straight played buffet of romance tropes, but under approximately five seconds of scrutiny it becomes pretty obvious that it is not.

Except, it's much more than five seconds of scrutiny.. It's an entire game's worth of scrutiny to the point that five seconds of dialogue in a M. Night Shambledoodle plot twist isn't enough to save it.

I'm not sure how being able to change Anders's mind would have done anything but sabotage his character arc. He's a freight train barreling off the edge of a cliff, and throwing your squishy body in front of it is not going to counteract its momentum. You don't have to like that sort of thing, but for what it was, it was done well.

Helplessness and powerlessness was a theme that underpinned the entire narrative of DA2. It fit in seamlessly.

The entire story arc of the game is good, I like the game alot. My complaints are with the LI, and what they did to Anders.

[upsettingshorts]

ladyvader wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

not my cup of tea; I'm not the only one.

Should every romance always be everyone's cup of tea? 

That said, I'm not sure Anders set any kind of precedent other than the fact BioWare isn't going to shy away from making them occasionally wildly controversial - in both the game world and in a meta sense.

No, but we should be given a choice. 

And the possibility of an S/S Kaidan, or the existence of a S/S Anders violates this preference for choice how exactly?

[mousestalker]

The only restriction that really needs to be mandatory for relationships is that all Asari should stick to their own sex. Anything else is just plain wrong.

[Computer_God91]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

I don't think they are being demanding as a whole. I said to see if I could ****** off some people. The fact that someone said the "S/S crowd demands it" is however something that makes me angry because now people feel that the S/S crowd's opinion must be followed. And I don't care if that person was serious or not.

But not because we demanded it. To assume such is both presumptuous and verging on paranoia. 

Check that out. Also I'm a very paranoid person, so that wouldn't be out of the question. I'm the kind of person who checks my locked doors several times in the night to make sure they are actually locked.

[jbblue05]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

not my cup of tea; I'm not the only one.

Should every romance always be everyone's cup of tea? 

That said, I'm not sure Anders set any kind of precedent other than the fact BioWare isn't going to shy away from making them occasionally wildly controversial - in both the game world and in a meta sense.

No, but we should be given a choice. 

And the possibility of an S/S Kaidan, or the existence of a S/S Anders violates this preference for choice how exactly?

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

[Computer_God91]

jbblue05 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sierra Crysis wrote...

not my cup of tea; I'm not the only one.

Should every romance always be everyone's cup of tea? 

That said, I'm not sure Anders set any kind of precedent other than the fact BioWare isn't going to shy away from making them occasionally wildly controversial - in both the game world and in a meta sense.

No, but we should be given a choice. 

And the possibility of an S/S Kaidan, or the existence of a S/S Anders violates this preference for choice how exactly?

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

BOOM! Winner.

[Sierra Crysis]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'd rather they continue to write the character first and determine whether or not they'd make a love interest they'd want players to pursue second.

Love interests written to be promising love interests well, frankly, suck.

Agree.

If I'm biased in any way I suppose it is because I view Anders' actions in Act 3 as being wildly more important than his potential appeal as an LI. 

And agree. The problem I have with it is that when you look at it from that perspective the LI is tacked on. I'm of the train of thought if you can't do it well than don't do it at all, and I still maintain the fact that his over-eagerness to love is just a blight upon his character, bisexual or not.

[Rinji the Bearded]

jbblue05 wrote...

It violates the NPC's preference of choice

And Kaidan, who is a character in a video game, whose fate depends on his writer, has a preference of choice how...?

[Maugrim]

"And the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least." - David Gaider

Gotta go with DG on this one.

[mya11]

I am fan of Bioware since Baldure's gates and the romance since dragon age and mass effect 1 but I don't want the same romance of Dragon age 2, I hope for the final mass effect 3 the fans are not disapointed .