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[ISpeakTheTruth]

Its better to never see it and want to than see it and wish you never had.

Show her face than instantly 50% of everyone will be disappointed that they did and how they make the face look will upset 50% of those who wanted to see the face because half want a human face and the other half want an alien face. So what you end up with is 75% of people disappointed.

[Captain Crash]

Heavensrun wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

Nah, everyone has a different mental image. Sometimes your imagination is better then what Bioware can ever produce. What will be great for some wont be for others and they will be left really disappointed.

Its a situation Bioware cant win really as lots of people undoubtedly want to see her unmasked. I just don't think its needed and I think this aura of mystery surrounding Quarians facial features should remain.

This kind of attitude, honestly, drives me a bit nuts.  The whole "your imagination is better!" thing doesn't resonate with me, because I didn't create this world, I don't consider anything I "imagine" to be real in any meaningful way.  I'm -exploring- the world Bioware has created, and I would prefer to see what quarians -actually- look like in that context than sit here and think "Oooh, what if it was like this?"

Well a lot of people it does resonate with and its an attitude many share. Bioware doesnt have to feed you every aspect of the game. As the posts in this thread consistently show people have their own opinion of what she appears like.  But its more then just her appearance its the allure and mystery surrounding her facial features.  Its captured so much debate and imagery its a major part of her appeal.   Revealing her face would remove this allure as the mystery surrounding it has been removed.

Will this make me like her less as a character or person if it is shown?  Of course not.  But something that was appealing about her will have been removed in my opinion.

[DaringMoosejaw]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Its better to never see it and want to than see it and wish you never had.

Show her face than instantly 50% of everyone will be disappointed that they did and how they make the face look will upset 50% of those who wanted to see the face because half want a human face and the other half want an alien face. So what you end up with is 75% of people disappointed.

On the internet, 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[Welsh Inferno]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Exactly. Nobody will be irritated if her face isn't shown (or very few people) because they can still keep imagining what her face looks like and keep hoping Bioware will reveal it some day.

Poll shows otherwise.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would be upset if it wasn't shown. They will do another love scene before the final battle or somewhere else in the game with your LI and if your LI is Tali that means you get round 2 of shep sees her face and not you. They should show her face or give us an extended love scene where we can tastefully see her skin, hair, and it also convey their strong love for one another if they don't show her face but the more we all talk about it the more I would like to see her face BW will make her pretty. Sense I have no image in my mind on what she looks like other then she has Riddick eyes there is nothing for them to aim for look wise if they have that one feature I'm happy and she'll be pretty looking.

[Captain Crash]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Exactly. Nobody will be irritated if her face isn't shown (or very few people) because they can still keep imagining what her face looks like and keep hoping Bioware will reveal it some day.

Poll shows otherwise.

You mean this poll posted on the last page?

It only has 102 votes at present so its hardly representative of the Mass Effect fan base.

Its a futile debate regardless. Bioware im sure know both fore and against arguments. Its up to them if they decide to show it. Although personally I don't particular want them too I suspect they will do.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 04 juillet 2011 - 08:36 .

[Capta1nJack91]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Its better to never see it and want to than see it and wish you never had.

Show her face than instantly 50% of everyone will be disappointed that they did and how they make the face look will upset 50% of those who wanted to see the face because half want a human face and the other half want an alien face. So what you end up with is 75% of people disappointed.

Ok ISpeakTheTruth, you speak the truth (lol), especially with that first line. That's what I'm afraid of. After what Saphra Deden reminded me about the punks, I can conclude that BioWare absolutely cannot win, but I think their concession might be showing another Quarian's face. I'm not condoning this either because it will still ****** people off (alien or human). Perhaps we should make a poll for who would be ok with that and compare.

[AngelicMachinery]

Luc0s wrote...

Autoclave wrote...

FYI, they showed the face of Darth Vader, Tali isn't more special.

I thought it, you said it. Well done sir. You just won the internet with this argument. And I mean it!

Revealing Darth Vader's mask was symbolic,  it was meant to represent his return to Anakin Skywalker.   just saying.

[Sylvianus]

The only one who don't want are talimancers. Others want or do not care. Tali isn't developped only for Talimancers but all players who play mass effect and love its universe, let's be clear. Just as Ashley isn't developped only for Ashley fans yes, I agree.

There is no justification other than the fear of being disappointed. So I don't see why others should suffer because of such a ridiculous reason.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:08 .

[Captain Crash]

Luc0s wrote...

Autoclave wrote...

FYI, they showed the face of Darth Vader, Tali isn't more special.

I thought it, you said it. Well done sir. You just won the internet with this argument. And I mean it!

Not really, the contexts are totally different. The demasking of Vader was to show his human side once again and show him back as Anakin. Before then he was a evil killer.  When he unmasked he left the Dark Side as he couldnt stand seeing his son die.   It was visual imagery of his internal conflict and to show his change before the end and add to the emotional weight of his death.

That was my take on it anyway.  Debating films is subject to much interpretation.  Google "High Noon" and you will see what I mean.  

Anyway I digress again.  The point being there was a reason to Vader removing his mask.   Tali doesnt suffer from the internal conflict Vader had.  The removal of her helmet will simply be to satisfy curiosity.


Edit:  AngelicMachinery pipped me to it! 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:12 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

I say yes. I honestly don't have any expectations on what her appearance should be.

[kalpain]

It should be an option. That way you satisfy everyone. People that want to see her face will and people that want to keep the mystery won't. Easy peezy... this ain't rocket science...

[Sylvianus]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The only one who don't want are talimancers. Others want or do not care. Tali isn't developped only for Talimancers but all players who play mass effect and love its universe, let's be clear. Just as Ashley isn't developped only for Ashley fans yes, I agree.

There is no justification other than the fear of being disappointed. So I don't see why others should suffer because of such a ridiculous reason.

Ähem, ... please take your preconceptions and reevaluate them. I don't want to see Tali's face and I am certainly not a Talimancer.

But as we are interested in a fair discussion, please exhibit what wrong comes from not showing her face as opposed what could go wrong or exceptionally right if they opt to show her on the other hand?

I see no problem in revealing her face. What it is, is. If you have romanticized tali, it's not for her head, that's for her personality, etc. So what's the problem ?

By cons I see an important development in mass effect for her which the risk of being ignored because of fear. That's what's irritating me, yes.

If Bioware had thought to do so, it is certainly because they thought it was worth the beating, as developing vortchas in M2. A new good dimension.

I want to see the face of Tali and I thought this since the first episode. I don't see why my will would be less important than those of talimancers, simply because it's their romance. Tali I love her too, she is a character very interesting like all the quarians, and I do not accept that a development about her can be ignored in mass effect simply to meet a group of core fans.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:30 .

[Sylvianus]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I see your point, but as egoistical as humans are, I still think the tingling mystery of the unknown is a lot more enjoyable than a hard fact in form of an official face. The problem hereby is, even if BioWare would make it optional to see her face, there'd be an unavoidable amount of pictures of her spinning around the internet in such a short amount of time it will be virtually impossible to retain the mystery, so it is ultimately a choice of "show her" and "don't show her". With Tali's face, there is no intermediate.



Which is why I opt for BioWare showing off only Kal Reegar. First of all, because he is a male and combined with the fact that male and female variants of the same species do often not look alike, it would create a rough shape on quarians as a whole and still leave enough imagination left for people to harbor their mystery.

Why not. They could also show different females quarian, such as Asari or Turian with their different paintings on the face.

This would show us how are the female quarians usually without revealing the uniqueness of Tali.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:46 .

[ReallyRue]

Sylvianus wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

I see your point, but as egoistical as humans are, I still think the tingling mystery of the unknown is a lot more enjoyable than a hard fact in form of an official face. The problem hereby is, even if BioWare would make it optional to see her face, there'd be an unavoidable amount of pictures of her spinning around the internet in such a short amount of time it will be virtually impossible to retain the mystery, so it is ultimately a choice of "show her" and "don't show her". With Tali's face, there is no intermediate.



Which is why I opt for BioWare showing off only Kal Reegar. First of all, because he is a male and combined with the fact that male and female variants of the same species do often not look alike, it would create a rough shape on quarians as a whole and still leave enough imagination left for people to harbor their mystery.

Why not. They could also show different females quarian, such as Asari or Turian with their different paintings on the face.

This would show us how are the female quarians usually without revealing the uniqueness of Tali.

That's a reasonable way of handling it. Provided there was a reason for situation in which Kal'Reegar/other quarians would remove their helmet. Tali would presumably remove it for a similar scene to the ME2 romance.

[Captain Crash]

Luc0s wrote...

Bull**** and you know it. If you actually paid any attention during Tali's loyalty mission in ME2 you know how much it would mean to Tali to be able to get rid of the helmet/suit and breath fresh air once again. The fact that all the quarians have to live in suits for their entire life is a huge deal to them. Most of the quarians would love to get rid of the suits but they can't, it's like a prison to them.

A quarian being able to unmask him/her self, be it Tali or someone else, and being able to breath fresh air again, would not be as epic and emotional as Vader's unmasking, but it would be darn close!

Im aware of that, but I think your missing my intended point.  The Quarians ultimate goal is to unmask on their homeword or a place they call home. Unmasking her only for her to put it back on doesnt answer anything other then curiosity. She is still a "prisoner" and cant breathe fresh air still so no conflict or stigma has been resolved. 


However this is one of those situations where there is no right or wrong its just difference in opinion so I will leave it at that.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 04 juillet 2011 - 10:46 .

[Spartanburger]

It seems that those who support revealing her face don't really mind either way, and that those who are against it are under the impression that it would ruin everything about Tali...
How can I say this politely...

Nope.avi

There's more to any person than just a mystery about them. If it was just the mystery that grabbed me, I would not hold her as such a high regard. There's a person under that mask mystery.

And mysteries are meant to be solved.

[Domber121]

Luc0s wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...

 Tali doesnt suffer from the internal conflict Vader had.  The removal of her helmet will simply be to satisfy curiosity.

Bull**** and you know it. If you actually paid any attention during Tali's loyalty mission in ME2 you know how much it would mean to Tali to be able to get rid of the helmet/suit and breath fresh air once again. The fact that all the quarians have to live in suits for their entire life is a huge deal to them. Most of the quarians would love to get rid of the suits but they can't, it's like a prison to them.

A quarian being able to unmask him/her self, be it Tali or someone else, and being able to breath fresh air again, would not be as epic and emotional as Vader's unmasking, but it would be darn close!

I bolded the part I found insightful. Thinking along those lines it kind of sounds like a failure on Shepard's part if he cant give Tali an ending where she gets to take the helmet off.