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[Addai]

Oh I don't dispute that Victarion is a dick. I still like him, though. I can't help it. 

I'm sure a greyscale plague is on the way. I'm really worried for poor Shireen.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[Chanegade]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

Daario really needs a good, sharp axe to be lodged firmly into place between his eyes. I'm sick of him and he singlehandedly ruins the Dany chapters.

Here's hoping for him to be another one of her betrayals.

I like Daario!  In my head, he sounds like Zevran.
Still, I hope Dany and Jorah hook up.

[Addai]

Reading news reports about Turkish kebab shop owners chasing off rioters with doner knives, I couldn't help but picture London kebab shops kicking it Manderly style. 

[twincast]

http://www.westeros....of_Thrones_RPG/

Didn't expect so much gameplay footage to appear at once essentially out of nowhere.

The graphics aren't exactly amazing of course, but we knew that already and other than the (spectacularly bad) blood so far it looks good enough to me. Although I do hope that the (male) faces throughout the game end up having more variety than mildly different kinds of grittiness.

The main reason I'm looking forward to both the RTS and the RPG is that unlike the TV series they actually fit (especially visually) into the "true" world of ice and fire (aside from the Giant's Lance being a giant's footstool at best for technical reasons), not to mention that they scratch an underserved realistic fantasy scratch for me regardless. That the RTS's gameplay and the RPG's story are intriguing to me doesn't hurt, of course.

Modifié par twincast, 12 août 2011 - 12:28 .

[LTD]

Seven hecks, that actually looks pretty decent! After seeing trailer for the RTS, I expected absolutely nothing from these guys.(Commendable thing, to have a mere trailer achieve so much.)

Based on both seconds of gameplay shown, overall tone and style of graphics seems spot on. Same goes for level design. Everything lookes right enough,very stylish. I think they had some 0.0003 seconds of combat in there too, glimpse of two  guys tickling one another with daggers? I'm glad  they've had sense to make it look appropriately slow and bulky. It looked like 2 ugly men fighting, as opposed to anime action fairies doing some trendy super cool combat dance. *desire to haunt thread with OT rant about DA II increasing*  No doubt the combat as a whole will be just another moderately boring variation of button-awesome connection though. It'd be just too awesome to have a SoIaF game with combat similar to  Mount&Blade.

...Erm but yeah. That looked very good. Can't wait to see/hear more of what they are up to. In perfect world, they'd get GRRM writing some dialogue for em. One can dream:p

Modifié par LTD, 12 août 2011 - 01:11 .

[Eski.Moe]

That sounds pretty slick. Colour me interested.
Still waiting for the WoT game to rear it's head though. *whistles*

[GodWood]

2 questions.

Which did you think was better AFFC or ADWD?

And

Did anyone else dislike Tyrion significantly less after ADWD?

[Eski.Moe]

aDwD. I just liked the POV characters more.
I've never really disliked Tyrion. One of my favourites. I liked his part in the book although was a bit annoyed that he didn't reach Dany. Still, I actually enjoyed hearing about the scenery and the turtles.

[In Exile]

So, re-reading ADwD, and one thing that stands out is that Doran Martell's plan really underwhelmed. Send my uncharismatic son alone and it will all work out? That was it?

[Eski.Moe]

Well his uncharismatic son had his two trusty companions! The big strong one who's a bit slow but has a good heart and the handsome rogue who's a bit of douche but a worthy companions.
A trio set on a grand journey through circumstances to test any man! Each of them fulfilling a part of the trope of companions.
Except as Martin likes to do, the 'hero' gets roasted. classic subversion.

Felt a bit sad for Quentin, but would have been better if he was introduced earlier.

Away from that tangent, I agree with you. Haha.
Seems like a really flimsy plan to bank the hopes of your house on. Yeah, I know his son had more companions but it still seems so amateurishly conducted and very, very presumptuous for someone who is supposed to be cunning and on his game.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 13 août 2011 - 06:19 .

[Addai]

GodWood wrote...

2 questions.

Which did you think was better AFFC or ADWD?

And

Did anyone else dislike Tyrion significantly less after ADWD?

I can't fathom disliking Tyrion!

I liked both books, but would give the edge to ADWD, mainly for the action chapters like fighting the wights, Victarion's march and Drogon in the arena.

[Addai]

In Exile wrote...

So, re-reading ADwD, and one thing that stands out is that Doran Martell's plan really underwhelmed. Send my uncharismatic son alone and it will all work out? That was it?

It sort of emphasizes Doran's shortcomings.  He's so cautious that his efforts end up sputtering out.  I think it's interesting characterization since the rest of the Martells are so RAWR passionate.

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

Reading news reports about Turkish kebab shop owners chasing off rioters with doner knives, I couldn't help but picture London kebab shops kicking it Manderly style. 

Yeeeeeeeeeeees... Curiously enough the ruffians left the kebab shops alone... They were more interested in sportswear, trainers, Swarovski crystal, mobiles and... Wait for it... GAMESHOPS.  

They actually left a bookshop unmolested... No hopers.

[Maria13]

In Exile wrote...

So, re-reading ADwD, and one thing that stands out is that Doran Martell's plan really underwhelmed. Send my uncharismatic son alone and it will all work out? That was it?

Yes, when I read this at the end of AFfC I thought this was an uber plan and it just... flopped or fizzled.

[Addai]

So does anyone think Victarion has a chance with Dany? I think he actually could. She has a thing for the ruthless barbarian type. She'd have a word with him about his slavery, no doubt.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, Doran's plan was a bit underwhelming. Kind of reminded me of Ned bringing Robert's last wishes to court only to have Cersei tear them up- Doran expected the past arrangement of Arianne and Viserys might hold up only to have Dany basically laugh in his face.

I did feel bad for Quentin though- I mean, the poor guy travels half way across the world only to have airhead Dany laugh him off and then get burned alive. I just think at times Dany is really clueless as to how many people know about her from Westeros and kind of the significance some place in her and the dragons.

Addai67 wrote...

So does anyone think Victarion has a chance with Dany? I think he actually could. She has a thing for the ruthless barbarian type. She'd have a word with him about his slavery, no doubt.

I don't know....Victarion's past bad luck with women makes me think he won't fair well with Dany. And he seems so business like and cold that if push comes to shove and he can use his horn to just take the dragons without Dany, he'll just try to take the dragons and not bother with Dany.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 août 2011 - 02:15 .

[In Exile]

Addai67 wrote...
It sort of emphasizes Doran's shortcomings.  He's so cautious that his efforts end up sputtering out.  I think it's interesting characterization since the rest of the Martells are so RAWR passionate.

It seemed that AFfC was trying to establish that Doran had a masterstroke plan against Robert, for all the suffering heaped on his family, and he bent his knees and tolerated all these insults against Dorne in the hopes of revenge... 

... but it seems his hope was to wed (at first) Vyserys to Arianne and then... somehow rally Westeros against Robert, with three great houses clearly against him (Stark, Baratheon & Lannister). 

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, Doran's plan was a bit underwhelming. Kind of reminded me of Ned bringing Robert's last wishes to court only to have Cersei tear them up- Doran expected the past arrangement of Arianne and Viserys might hold up only to have Dany basically laugh in his face.

And then he started to sulk, instead of pointing out that marriage contract or no, Westeros desperately needs a ruler, the realm is in chaos, the great houses are broken... and Dany could waltz in as a conquering hero. 

He seemed to be a perfect reflection of Doran, but in the most underwhelming way.

I did feel bad for Quentin though- I mean, the poor guy travels half way across the world only to have airhead Dany laugh him off and then get burned alive. I just think at times Dany is really clueless as to how many people know about her from Westeros and kind of the significance some place in her and the dragons.

I think Dany's too focused on the "blood of dragons" angle, and can't comprehend when to cut her loses.

Addai67 wrote...

So does anyone think Victarion has a chance with Dany? I think he actually could. She has a thing for the ruthless barbarian type. She'd have a word with him about his slavery, no doubt.

I think her feelings for the creepy pedophile rapist Drogo were more Stockhold syndrome than anything. Victarion doesn't have anything going for him, though. She's in the wants them vain & pretty stage. 

[Eski.Moe]

"Oh Daaaaaaaario. Your unkempt blue hair is like so hot" -swoons-

.__.

[Addai]

So when does she get "betrayed by love"?

[Eski.Moe]

When one of her dragons chooses someone else to latch onto?
I certainly don't see any Daario situation as constituting it. That's definitely lust.

Though, can the 'love' be someone else's. Like say, Barristan for Ashara?

[BigEvil]

I think Doran's main failing in his planning was that he was planning as if Dany was someone who plays the game of thrones like other players he knows. Whereas Viserys, or Littlefinger, or the Lannisters or anyone else from Westeros who understands the game, in Dany's position would realise the potential of the marriage and the forces/resources they would aquire, she thought about love and fluffy feelings.

Really if she'd had more formal teaching in the game she probably would have married both Hizdahr and Quentyn if it meant securing peace in Meereen and gaining the support of Dorne for when she entered Westeros.

I think it's something Dany still hasn't learned, that her army might conquer Westeros for her, but it won't keep it. An army mostly made up of slaves and foreign troops isn't going to go over well with the Westerosi if she doesn't get some of them on her side as well. Without support from Dorne or elsewhere they'll keep fighting her and she'll end up with a similar situation to the problems in Meereen. Maybe Tyrion will finally meet up with her and clue her in.

[Addai]

She's going to marry the Prince that was Promised, Azar Ahai reborn, and have lots of Targ babies! It is known!

[bobthecrusher]

Maria13 wrote...

In Exile wrote...

So, re-reading ADwD, and one thing that stands out is that Doran Martell's plan really underwhelmed. Send my uncharismatic son alone and it will all work out? That was it?

Yes, when I read this at the end of AFfC I thought this was an uber plan and it just... flopped or fizzled.

I think that he still has something up his sleeves, you don't spend that long planning and hinge it all on one person doing exactly what you want (although dany is a bit of an idiot at times, she should have taken Quentin and GTFO'd and come back in 10 years with a fleet of war ships and an army large enough to squash them under her heel, or, grown some balls and rode the mother ****ing dragon and slaughter the idiot Yunkaii, while their sellswords (who don't want to be burned alive) turn on them) Doran will most likely marry Arianna off to Aegon (sorry if I got those names messed up) and and march up to HighGarden, which will either fight to the last or turn to Doran's side.

[Carfax]

Ramsay Bolton should be given to the flames. The sacrifice of such an evil being would please R'hllor mightily methinks..

Anyway, what do you guys think about the supposed deities in ASoIF? Are they true deities, or merely manifestations of raw magical power that can be tapped into by those in the know?

I'm not sure what to think at this point. Common sense tells me that Martin would never create a REAL deity that interferes in the lives of mortals, because that would eventually require a lot more explanation to fully make sense..

Deities being manifestations/concentrations of raw magical power on the other hand, would be much easier to accept and explain......except that all throughout ASoIF, divine manifestations of power seem to be driven by a SENTIENT force.

How else would you explain the various phenomena that takes place throughout the series, particularly when it comes to R'hllor?

[ragemaster]

is there an incest minigame gigity gigity gigity goo