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[Addai]

Hrm. So she chose him just because he became lord of Dragonstone. Maybe also because he's a warrior- I recall that Rhaegar was bookish until he read the prophecy and began to study swordplay because the prince who was promised was supposed to be a warrior.

If Mel's visions are real, then perhaps she had them of Stannis so that she could get an army to Casterly Rock to oppose the white walkers. As of ADWD when she's around Jon, her visions of Stannis have stopped, but Mel's not getting with the program because she's too invested in Stannis to see that she's been wrong.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Maria13]

I wondered about Shireen and the grey scale, too...

Basically my thoughts were along the lines that she is now immune to it so perhaps she is the future queen or at least the heir to the Iron Throne. Outlandish, I know...

Modifié par Maria13, 05 avril 2012 - 11:12 .

[sheppard7]

Seagloom wrote...

Something just occurred to me. Does Doreah die in the next episode? At least I think that's her name. The handmaid that taught Dany the oh so mysterious secrets of staying on top and maintaining eye contact during sex. She croaks in ACoK during Dany's desert journey.

It wouldn't surprise me if the showrunners' intent is to keep Doreah alive. Maybe they think Rakharo dying makes for better drama.

When I read she died in the book, I wondered if the TV show would kill her off or keep her around too.

[AxisEvolve]

They probably want to keep Doreah around for future nude scenes.

[Eski.Moe]

They've shown clips from what I assume are future episodes with Doreah slumped on the ground in pain and Dany crying. I like Doreah, mainly because you can pick out the Aussie accent.
Disappointed about the exclusion of Shireen but we'll see how it all plays out.

[TJPags]

This is regarding the show, but it draws on info through aDwD, so I'm posting it here:

Season 2, Episode 2: Jon watches Craster leave one of his sons out in the woods, sees a mysterious, only partially observed figure pick it up, is then struck on the head by Craster.

Now, I understand that it's implied in the books that Craster has some kind of deal with the Others, which involves leaving his sons out for them - either to eat, to turn into wights, or what-have-you - and them leaving him alone.

However, so far as I know, through the end of aDwD, nothing has come of this particular issue. This scene show in Ep. 2 certainly never occurred the books. I can understand perhaps having Jon observe this, so that this issue can be brought to the attention of the viewers. However, Craster saw Jon, and hit him on the head . . . there has to be some kind of reaction to this, on Craster's part, that of the Watch, or both. A reaction which does not take place in the books.

So, my question is: Why do this? And where does this plotline lead us?

[Addai]

My big question after this episode is also "why?" I can understand making changes but these just don't make sense.

[TJPags]

Exactly.

I understand that a screenplay needs to be written differently than a book. Obviously, internal thoughts and such need to be shown on screen, which means creating a scene, adding a character, etc.

I also understand that some things work well when written, but not as well on screen (Stephen King's books/movies are a good example, I think - excellent books, not so good movies).

But this, in particular, seems to be adding a plot point that goes noplace in the books. Why? I just don't get it.

In contrast, the scene with Tyrion and Cersei was partly made up. I didn't mind that so much (Joffrey ordering the killings makes somewhat less sense than Cersei doing it, but so be it). Generally, though, the change didn't bother me.

Again, the opening sequence of season 1 - book one's prologue - was changed. The change didn't bother me so much - the same info was presented, no plot elements changed.

But this storyline makes a change. A change I just don't get.

The jury is still out for me on the Bronn as Goldcloak Commander, at this point. May be a significant change, may not be, Time will tell.

[Addai]

I saw a suggestion in Axechucker's review that Littlefinger's story of the prostitute who was "transformed" could refer to Qyburn. If so, they're foreshadowing that bit of nasty business very early.

Are they trying to play up Littlefinger's weird-out factor so that his interaction with Sansa is even more grotesque? That seems to me what is going on, with last week's highlighting of his obsession for Catelyn and this week showing him as the creeping creeper.

Speaking of creeper... Did that scene with Salladhor Saan happen in the books?  I mean, with him going on about Cersei like that?  I don't remember but I didn't care for it.

The Matthos-Davos scene was moving in a way, though it bothered me also for being another deviation from the book that seems pointless.  I guess it is a way for them to show Davos' internal monologue about having never been home and being a bad father.  Mel with her "death by fire is the purest death," egad... that's a big troll but it's chilling considering what is going to happen.  If she saw the Battle of Blackwater in the flames, then she's got some explaining to do.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 avril 2012 - 07:40 .

[LPPrince]

My mom just asked me to lend her A Game of Thrones.

I didn't know my mom knew how to read.

[TJPags]

@ Addai -that exact scene did not occur in the books. We just lean Saan is helping Stannis, and later that it was Davos that got him to do so.

But I do recall a scene at some point where he goes on about Cersei.

[sheppard7]

Addai67 wrote...

I saw a suggestion in Axechucker's review that Littlefinger's story of the prostitute who was "transformed" could refer to Qyburn. If so, they're foreshadowing that bit of nasty business very early.

Are they trying to play up Littlefinger's weird-out factor so that his interaction with Sansa is even more grotesque? That seems to me what is going on, with last week's highlighting of his obsession for Catelyn and this week showing him as the creeping creeper.

Speaking of creeper... Did that scene with Salladhor Saan happen in the books?  I mean, with him going on about Cersei like that?  I don't remember but I didn't care for it.

The Matthos-Davos scene was moving in a way, though it bothered me also for being another deviation from the book that seems pointless.  I guess it is a way for them to show Davos' internal monologue about having never been home and being a bad father.  Mel with her "death by fire is the purest death," egad... that's a big troll but it's chilling considering what is going to happen.  If she saw the Battle of Blackwater in the flames, then she's got some explaining to do.

Way to figure out "added stuff" is ask yourself: Hey, did that scene even have a PoV character in it? If no, then it wasn't in the book.

[Addai]

Davos is in that scene and he's a POV character. Anyway, they chose the wrong minor characters to focus on IMO. I'd rather be seeing Meera and Jojen Reed than that guy.

[sheppard7]

Addai67 wrote...

Davos is in that scene and he's a POV character. Anyway, they chose the wrong minor characters to focus on IMO. I'd rather be seeing Meera and Jojen Reed than that guy.

I was more referring to the Littlefinger scene you spoke of saying you weren't sure if that was in the book.

Like the Robb, Grey Wind, Jamie scene wasn't since none of them were PoV characters in book 2. Jamie became one in book 3.

[Eski.Moe]

The thing that I liked about Littlefinger in the books was that he was true to his name. Yeah, he was a bit creepy but he was an understated character. Obviously we're supposed to see a weasel when he betrays Ned but he's also really backed into the corner in that one. He kind of blended into the background or had an unassuming air. I mean, we have Varys painted as 'The Spider' and a much more noticeable target for the distrust and all, especially considering his history. It's like a massive neon sign that blocks out the sight that Lf is also sneaky.

His character is just heavy handed in the show. Subtlety is something that just isn't used enough.

[Addai]

sheppard7 wrote...
I was more referring to the Littlefinger scene you spoke of saying you weren't sure if that was in the book.

Ah, no, I knew that wasn't in the books.

Like someone on Wicnet said, Littlefinger is creepy but he's not that kind of creepy (i.e. watching in peepholes).  At least not that GRRM ever shows.  I think they are wanting to make the thing with Sansa look worse.  It's just a bit heavy handed for my taste.  Leave a little depravity for books 3 and 4, dudes.

[Brockololly]

Eski.Moe wrote...

His character is just heavy handed in the show. Subtlety is something that just isn't used enough.

Thats part of the problem with the show- it telegraphs plot twists and lacks any subtle foreshadowing.

Which makes me wonder how or if they'll bother with much of the prophecy stuff that comes more into the forefront going forward. Like, how will they do the House of the Undying and all of the imagery there?Like the Wolf King sitting at the table which is widely thought to foreshadow the Red Wedding. It seems they really want to get to the Red Wedding in the show, but I have a feeling that whole thing will be telegraphed. 

I mean, when I read the books, I knew Robb and Cat got killed at some event called the Red Wedding but that was it. And so when I got to that point I was still surprised by it but especially by how brutal the actual event is written.

And they haven't even introduced the Tully's yet, who are important for the RW. If they just toss them and the Freys in at the last minute I think they may feel like plot devices and not real characters like they do in the books.


On the topic of the show diverging from the books, I also read the rumor today that its possible the "Jeyne" in the show may be made into "Jeyne Lannister"? Meh...I know thats basically what they're doing with some of the Freys already but making Jeyne into a Lannister just would make the whole thing too Romeo and Juliet. Meh.

[Addai]

Waaaaat.

[twincast]

What the what now? I understand the need for that Alton Lannister character, but this!? No, just no! If they really add that level of cheese the series as a whole (hopefully at least minus some highlights like Tyrion's quips, the Battle of the Blackwater and the weddings in ASoS) will most likely finally fall to the level of mere guilty pleasure at best for me (that is if I can divorce myself enough from it to not be stuck at completist self-torture). Makes me shudder when thinking of potential later seasons. By now I wouldn't put it past them to make Varys and Petyr decide matters through a dance-off or even to make UnCat capable of compassion and reason because that's the proper motherly thing to be. Yes, I'm getting cynical to the point of hyperbole; sue me.

[Brockololly]

Thats just what I read on another forum as somebody's speculation since they're being so tight lipped on who exactly the new "Jeyne" really is. Which, like Twincast mentioned, they sort of have set the precedent with Alton Lannister taking the place of Cleos Frey. The Westerlings were a house under the Lannisters, so simplifying things to make Jeyne just a Lannister...I could see them doing that.

And then that more easily can lead into Robb's bannermen thinking he's losing it, add in the Karstark situation and presto, Red Wedding.
Thats sort of a concern I have too- A Clash of Kings always seemed like that was Robb's time to shine when he could basically do no wrong and was on a roll. It wasn't until A Storm of Swords that he started making mistakes and the tide started turning against him.

[Arppis]

LPPrince wrote...

My mom just asked me to lend her A Game of Thrones.

I didn't know my mom knew how to read.

Did you laugh at her and told her that?

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

Thats just what I read on another forum as somebody's speculation since they're being so tight lipped on who exactly the new "Jeyne" really is. Which, like Twincast mentioned, they sort of have set the precedent with Alton Lannister taking the place of Cleos Frey. The Westerlings were a house under the Lannisters, so simplifying things to make Jeyne just a Lannister...I could see them doing that.

And then that more easily can lead into Robb's bannermen thinking he's losing it, add in the Karstark situation and presto, Red Wedding.
Thats sort of a concern I have too- A Clash of Kings always seemed like that was Robb's time to shine when he could basically do no wrong and was on a roll. It wasn't until A Storm of Swords that he started making mistakes and the tide started turning against him.

Egad, now that you explain it I can see it coming.  It's good that you prepared me now.

[TJPags]

Renly: "Margery is a virgin?"
Loras: "Officially, yes"

Are they going to screw over yet another plot line?

[LPPrince]

Arppis wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

My mom just asked me to lend her A Game of Thrones.

I didn't know my mom knew how to read.

Did you laugh at her and told her that?

Nah.

I never had to lend her the book anyway- a few days later she bought A Game of Thrones herself.

She's so into it now, she actually hid the books in the store so that she can come back to get them later.

[OrnluWolfjarl]

To be fair, the show is consulted by GRR Martin, so in a way I think that he "fixes" things he thought he did wrong in the book. Still hope they don't turn Jeyne into a Lannister, that would destroy the twist of Tywin buying out her father and the Freys. I do appreciate the extra scenes they add for context (that are not in the book) but they don't focus that much on delivering the much-needed twists that make the books so great