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[Addai]

Not having read the books recently is a plus, I think. I'm not bothered by much this season. And now Brock has put the bug in my ear that they might have a vision of Rhaegar in the House of the Undying... be still my fangirl heart...

[LTD]

Generally speaking I'm ok with the rather soul crushing amounts of characters cut. Even the diet version of SOIAF delivers terrifying amount of names and faces to remember and care about for those who have never read the books. It's easy to understand why HBO figured there isn't much room for Reeds,entire piles of Tullies along their castle, Karlstarks, etc. When trying to imagine a TV version of Reeds..wellp, it would have been very surprising to see them on screen.

Insignificateliazion  of Tickler and removal of  brave companions  I'm finding really hard to swallow though. I don't miss the lot as characters that much. However, the window to war as it appears to small folk existed mostly thanks to them and their..interaction with everyone and everything they meet. This particular rather thick layer of war was among cornerstones of CoK to me and it's saddening HBO barely touches it.  First half of the season should have had more torture of small folk  and mayhaps one or two ****** less. Oh yeah, and the Beyond- the-Wall got turned into Lands-of-Always-Winter, which sucks. Even though scenery is nice!
Generally speaking I'm loving the 2nd season though.

Latest episode got even better ratings than season opener.  I wonder if we actually see the whole series on screen, in one form or another.

Modifié par LTD, 01 mai 2012 - 05:45 .

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
 And now Brock has put the bug in my ear that they might have a vision of Rhaegar in the House of the Undying... be still my fangirl heart...

Now that I think of it, I wonder why they didn't name the episode with the House of the Undying (seems like episode 8 based on the descriptions from HBO) "A Song of Ice and Fire" ? Since the House of the Undying vision of Rhaegar is the only time thats ever mentioned in the books, I think? Could have been a cool little tidbit. Kind of wonder if they'll show the Wolf King and the Red Wedding vision or not. I wonder if that wouldn't be a bit too obvious of foreshadowing when you see it on screen.

[Addai]

Thinking about it, the Brave Companions might have been too much for a TV audience. There's enough cruelty to go around already. When you're reading about it, there's more filler and character stuff so that it doesn't seem so unrelenting and graphic.

[Brockololly]

Heh. Yeah, maybe, especially if people think Joffrey is too evil. Then again, somebody like Ramsay makes Joffrey look like an angel.

The Brave Companions provided a nice view to the more mercenary side of the war, with how they change sides so often. They kind of act as a foil to the Brotherhood Without Banners acting as a group thats not just another family house waging war. And the mercenary or at least non House oriented groups seem to be more numerous in the later books, like the Golden Company or the reorganized militant wing of the Faith of the Seven or the Unsullied.

Modifié par Brockololly, 01 mai 2012 - 08:59 .

[TJPags]

SO much of this episode seemed so wrong.

Lady Talisa Maeker? I'm pretty sure there were several Targaryan Kings named Maeker (might have been Maekor, but she might have said that, too).

Rodrick came back to Winterfell alone, huh? And gets killed. And I guess Ransay isn't in the Winterfell dungeons, huh?

Has anyone seen Big Walder and Little Walder? I think they need milk cartons. Along with Jojen and Meera.

And is it me, or does it look like Luwin gets killed next week? Are Bran and Rikkon staying together?

I thought the episode was well done, but frankly, I'm very close to lost given the number of departures from the books. . . .

[Addai]

They haven't lost me, but I'm confused, and some things are disappointing. I guess they thought people wouldn't believe Theon's ruse but when reading the books, I *did* believe it, so I feel sorry for TV viewers who won't have that crushed feeling when you think Bran and Rickon are dead.

No idea what they are doing with "Lady Talisa." Don't care. Just want them to get that arc over with. Red Wedding can't get here fast enough.

Now I see why people find Jon and Dany annoying. Their pretty hair and their cluelessness and shrill demands, egad.

[TJPags]

Yea, I actually enjoy reading Dany most of the time (she annoyed me a bit during aDwD), but she's annoying me a lot more and a lot quicker on the show. She really does come off as a demanding shrew, huh?

And was Jon this clueless and annoying in the books? No, he couldn't have been.

Red Wedding, where are you? And will we actually see Grey Wind's head sewed onto Robb's body? Because that would be cool.

[Brockololly]

Yeah I have no clue where they're going with "Talisa." I read some speculation today how she might be a Lannister spy? Or a Lannister proper? Meh. The biggest issue I have with all that is how Cat is presumably going to be around to watch all that happen right in front of her, knowing full well that Robb is obligated to the Freys. In the books it seems more an unfortunate youthful mistake by Robb to have married Jeyne and Cat is suitably surprised and upset by it.

Unless Cat ends up leaving for Riverrun or something at the end of the season before Robb marries "Talisa" or Jeyne or whoever she's supposed to be.

Kind of wondering how they'll handle Ramsay too. Nice that they're not cutting him but I'm wondering if he's been cast secretly for this year or if they hold off sacking Winterfell or if they just handle him like Jaqen last year, just obscuring his face behind a helmet or something. For that matter, I wonder how they'll handle Theon- since he basically spends all of A Storm of Swords being mutilated and transformed into Reek will he be absent for 2 seasons? Same goes with Ramsay too, I guess. But assuming they merge A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, they could bring Theon back in season 5 I guess or maybe late season 4?

Really hoping they play up Bran and Rickon getting "killed" next week too., Thats a good fake out if they handle it properly. And would make Cat presumably releasing Jaime a bit more understandable if the viewer also thinks Bran and Rickon are dead.

[TJPags]

I'm not sure the Bran Rikkon fake murder will even happen, and if it does, it will be a big WTF.

I mean, we saw them leaving with Osha and Hodor, remember.

[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

I'm not sure the Bran Rikkon fake murder will even happen, and if it does, it will be a big WTF.

I mean, we saw them leaving with Osha and Hodor, remember.

Well that's what I mean, obviously the audience is going to be in on it now if Theon tries to fake their deaths.  I would think they have to do it because it is part of Catelyn's and Sansa's arcs to believe that they're dead, and if Theon let on that they got away from him the North would be out in force looking for them to restore them to Winterfell.  IIRC from the books he acts in desperation, seeing his loss of the boys as a sign of weakness he has to compensate for with brutality.

The idea that Talisa could be a Targaryen bastard... that's a possibility, I guess, though I have no idea what dramatic purpose it would serve.  A wild guess... she and Shae are related somehow, both blood relation and related in their secret agenda.  What that is and who they are, I have no clue.  Are we going to see the "love charm" that was subtly implied in the books become the overt blood magicking of Robb?

Modifié par Addai67, 08 mai 2012 - 03:39 .

[Brockololly]

TJPags wrote...

I'm not sure the Bran Rikkon fake murder will even happen, and if it does, it will be a big WTF.

I mean, we saw them leaving with Osha and Hodor, remember.

Yeah, but in the preview for next episode it shows Theon "hunting," presumably for Bran and Rickon. PLus you have the maybe subtle foreshadowing from one or two episodes ago when Bran gave that one petitioner 2 orphans to work at his farm or something. My guess is Theon will basically kill those 2 orphans.

We know he kills 2 kids though- just look at the 20 second mark in this video. Here is a screencap:


Looks like Asha coming to Winterfell and two small tarred or charred looking bodies hanging by nooses.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[Maria13]

Six words this last ep sent my heart a-leaping: "My bastard son would be honoured..."

[HoonDing]

I think Vladimir Putin is doing a great job as Roose Bolton.

[Aeowyn]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah I have no clue where they're going with "Talisa." I read some speculation today how she might be a Lannister spy? Or a Lannister proper? Meh. The biggest issue I have with all that is how Cat is presumably going to be around to watch all that happen right in front of her, knowing full well that Robb is obligated to the Freys. In the books it seems more an unfortunate youthful mistake by Robb to have married Jeyne and Cat is suitably surprised and upset by it.

Unless Cat ends up leaving for Riverrun or something at the end of the season before Robb marries "Talisa" or Jeyne or whoever she's supposed to be.

Kind of wondering how they'll handle Ramsay too. Nice that they're not cutting him but I'm wondering if he's been cast secretly for this year or if they hold off sacking Winterfell or if they just handle him like Jaqen last year, just obscuring his face behind a helmet or something. For that matter, I wonder how they'll handle Theon- since he basically spends all of A Storm of Swords being mutilated and transformed into Reek will he be absent for 2 seasons? Same goes with Ramsay too, I guess. But assuming they merge A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, they could bring Theon back in season 5 I guess or maybe late season 4?

Really hoping they play up Bran and Rickon getting "killed" next week too., Thats a good fake out if they handle it properly. And would make Cat presumably releasing Jaime a bit more understandable if the viewer also thinks Bran and Rickon are dead.

I agree with this. Then it's the thing that Robb married Jayne out of honour because they did the deed when he was injured. Will they really make him even more of an idiot?

[TJPags]

I suppose they could still do the "Theon kills Bran and Rikkon, Cat grieves" thing, but the issue for me is - when it happens, the audience will not have the same "oh no, he didn't!!!" reaction we all had when we read it. I supposed they could do the "hunting" scene in such a way that it's left to doubt, but . . . . not sure how.

Talisa - I'm betting on Targaryan, personally. I remember her giving her last name as Maeker or Maekor - which was the name of a Targaryan king. She' claims to be from Volantis, far enough away she can't be checked out. Now, as to which Targaryan (whose daughter, niece, etc) I have no idea, nor do I know why they'd do that. But it's my guess.

[Addai]

If she's a Targaryen, she'd probably be a descendant of one of the bastards. That's a big theme of the Dunk and Egg prequels. Most of those had dark hair except for Daemon Blackfyre who had two Targ parents (cousins) so he had Valyrian looks.

I don't know what purpose this would serve in the series, other than a nod to the nerdy stuff.  I doubt many book readers are going to appreciate the change.  I know I'm not impressed with this story arc so far.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[HoonDing]

The Talisa actress is apparently credited as "Jeyne Westerling" on imdb.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

I've only read up to the third book but I have a question?

If the magi's curse means the dragons are the only children Daenyrs will ever have, then why is she even bothering trying to retake the Iron Throne and re-establish the Targarian Dynasty? I mean for that to work she would have to marry (presumably one of the noble houses) and have a child with them. If she can't do that then even if she does take the Iron Throne it will all be for nothing.

Also, if she isn't going to have kids, do you think thats a big hint that Daenrys probably won't survive the series conclusion; since her character resolution can't involve her re-starting the Targarian Dynasty?

Obviously I'am assuming that

a-the magi wasn't lying

b-theres no other way of her having a kid

[Addai]

Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy is probably fulfilled as of the end of ADWD.

In her final chapter, Dany eats some poison berries and shortly thereafter has vaginal bleeding- my interpretation is that this was a miscarriage.

[RedArmyShogun]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

I've only read up to the third book but I have a question?

If the magi's curse means the dragons are the only children Daenyrs will ever have, then why is she even bothering trying to retake the Iron Throne and re-establish the Targarian Dynasty? I mean for that to work she would have to marry (presumably one of the noble houses) and have a child with them. If she can't do that then even if she does take the Iron Throne it will all be for nothing.

Also, if she isn't going to have kids, do you think thats a big hint that Daenrys probably won't survive the series conclusion; since her character resolution can't involve her re-starting the Targarian Dynasty?

Obviously I'am assuming that

a-the magi wasn't lying

b-theres no other way of her having a kid

Meh never take crazy witch doctors at face value. But the 5th book has your answer. Its one hell of a spoiler though so if you rather not know I won't say. But it places the issue of a legacy as a mute point.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 14 mai 2012 - 03:24 .

[Brockololly]

2 big issues I had with last episode as they compare to the books. Not the Dany stuff as I've sort of given up on that plot.

1.) Jon- I love Ygritte on the show but why they're having Jon spend so much time with her now when they'll presumably have tons of screentime together next season is beyond me. This should be Jon's time with Halfhand and his rangers, learning more about the Night's Watch. Reading the summary of episode 10, it sounds like they're still going to have Jon kill Qhorin, but I feel they're unnecessarily skipping good content.

I always thought it was pretty thrilling in the book how after Jon decisively lets Ygritte go, Jon learns more about Mance from Qhorin and Jon then wargs into Ghost and sees the Wildling camp. Then you have the eagle skinchanger and the other wildlings chasing them as they're trying to get back to the Fist of the First Men, after having seen the giant Wildling army and knowing Mace was looking for the Horn of Winter to bring down the Wall. And you have the other rangers getting picked off by the Wildlings until Jon and Qhoring get cornered by Rattleshirt and Qhorin tells Jon to go all double agent.

As it is in the show, Qhorin has been in 2, maybe 3 scenes? Jon hasn't learned anything from him really, whereas Qhorin is sort of a father figure to Jon in the books. I mean, if Qhorin is an expert ranger why hasn't he found Jon yet? And Jon just looks stupid for how he dealt with Ygritte, not like the books where him letting her go was a decisive act of mercy.

Judging by the preview, Jon seems to meet Rattleshirt next week, so I'm guessing maybe either Qhorin and his rangers get captured by the Wildlings as well, which might let them collaborate somehow? Or maybe Jon gets captured and Qhorin comes to rescue him, Qhorin's other rangers get killed in the process, Qhorin and Jon escape with Qhorin saying how he saw a giant wildling army and they need to get back to the Fist, only to get cornered, with Jon going double agent? I don't get it, just seems like a wasted opportunity from the books to add in more Ygritte when we'll see her plenty next year.

2.) Cat and Jaime- Are we supposed to think Cat is going to release Jaime now? In the books, she only does that after she is grief stricken at the news of Bran and Rickon being killed by Theon. That just seems far more a plausible reason than simply wanting to keep him alive from the Karstarks.That makes sense too, considering she needs Jaime alive to get Sansa and Arya back but eh.

Oh, and where the hell is Tyrion and the Chain? That was a cool bit of planning on Tyrion's part in the book and so far we haven't seen any of that. Considering Blackwater is episode 9, they'll have to introduce that next episode or else the Chain, if it exists, won't be Tyrion's idea. Considering GRRM wrote the Blackwater episode I can't think he'd leave out the Chain.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[RedArmyShogun]

^

Meh I hope not I want to see the chain as well but I'm surprised HBO has kept to the story as much as it has. Look at its other mini-series. I like the show, but I try and see it as apart from the books. Least I would rage lulz.

[Nerevar-as]

Addai67 wrote...

Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy is probably fulfilled as of the end of ADWD.

In her final chapter, Dany eats some poison berries and shortly thereafter has vaginal bleeding- my interpretation is that this was a miscarriage.

The terms of the prophecy are also mostly metaphorical. I.e. the sun setting in the east.

[Aeowyn]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy is probably fulfilled as of the end of ADWD.

In her final chapter, Dany eats some poison berries and shortly thereafter has vaginal bleeding- my interpretation is that this was a miscarriage.

The terms of the prophecy are also mostly metaphorical. I.e. the sun setting in the east.

Hm, that was Quentyn's death wasn't it? What was the other part "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves"?