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[Costin_Razvan]

Confess-A-Bear: Daenerys is a 16 year old kid, of course she isn't fit to rule at that age and she knows it too, but that's way she stayed in Mereen, and why she has advisors. Of course having Selmy as her top advisor was stupid.

I wonder what she will do in the next book. As for what Littlefinger hopes to gain...well he is the Lord of Harrenhall but he has no real political power in the Riverlands, Maybe he hopes to gain aid from the Vale and North to take real control of the Riverlands.

Nerevar-as : He'll do what he always does. Scheme and murder. I fully expect a confrontation between Stannis and the Vale if Rickon is found.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Age has nothing to do with it. Alexander was much the same Age and a very effective ruler, Joan of Arc, is another, in fact you have many others you could throw into this, and from there world you have Robb, he was highly effective, untill his honor got the better of him like his father. Most however of age arn't fit to rule, or of any age really. Its just a common misconception in the West as of late, as our people have became shelterd and spoiled. So Age is not a deterimination of ability. It helps towards it mind you with wisdom, but that can be packed on early enough with enough hardships. But some of the key and most needed traits your birthed with, or your not.

You have it or you don't. You can't learn to be a better leader anymore than French Royals of not too long ago who's heads went rolling down the streets of Paris. So "she's too young" isn't a good reason, shes not fit to rule though of nobel blood. Aegon has shown the ability to be effective, and he's much younger. Though the question is will he live long enough to do so.

I think as much, but I expect him to aim to prop her up on some united lands throne and become hand. It would give him control of at least three of the major kingdoms. As to the Rickon deal, I suspect as much, that is if the Onion Knight can even get him back safely, nevermind id Stannis is even alive or not. Though given what the last chapter sneak peak says, I'm pretty sure Bollton is a liar and the line is still holding, he just fears attack from the Nights Watch in the rear.

But as the old bear says

"whats it matter who sits on the Throne. Winter is coming."

I'll be surprised if the Others are stoped below the neck honestly. Maybe all the factions will stop fighting long enough to do it...but I doubt it. They haven't even stopped to do needed harvesting and farming. Hunger and Faimine of a huge scale are sure to happen, so whats a few Ice Zombies.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 27 mai 2012 - 01:14 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Alexander the Great had his mother helping him, and his father's generals and he was educated from a very young age as to how to lead an army and his father built that Macedonian Army that Alexander used, don't forget that. It is true Alexander was capable in his own right, but without the things I mentioned he wouldn't have been as great as he was.

Robb was only effective as a tactician and strategist, not as a political ruler and even then he could hardly be called a great ruler and frankly without his mother and the Blackfish he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did.

Aegon is older then Daenerys, not by much but still 2 years and he has a capable soldier and politician who educated him and his helping him.

Daenerys isn't capable of ruling because she wasn't educated to rule unlike Aegon, and also she didn't have really capable advisors except for Jorah, who is just a soldier not a politician. There's never been a good ruler who became what they were without good education from others or/and good advisors, she has the potential to become a good ruler, she's shown that, but whether she does it or not...well that's up to G.R.R.M.

Even Augustus, who at 19 started his rise to power, relied heavily on Livia, Agrippa and Maecenas. True he was a good politician in his own right but without those 3 he would never have become the leader of Rome and he was born in a family with a political and military history and raised by Caesar's sister.

As for Baelish. I don't think he is aiming to put Sansa on the throne and a woman has never as a Queen Regeant on throne, as in holding supreme power or equal power to her husband. Not even a Targaryen one.

As for the Others...well they still have to get past the Wall which isn't just a piece of Ice, it has spells woven into it to stop them.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2012 - 01:56 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Fair enough to the above, though you can't deny it takes a type of personality to make use of that. Its not as if all of us could do that with the same resources. I mean I think we all have basic rights, but we arn't equal at all things. Like say a highwire act, no amount of training would allow me to do that lol.

Yeah but spells that are weakening. And they do have a zombie horde and the weakest Nights Watch on the wall, in the history, of well ever. And with Jon maybe dead, I doubt the peoples of the Wilds will willingly man the wall now. Could be wrong but I expect them to rebel or flee south, unless Jon lived.

On that same note I didn't mean Throne as in the Iron Throne, with the Vale, the North, and the Riverlands under one regent, well thats alot of power. If he controls one, and advises the other two, more so if his trickery gives him a hand above the others, well thats alot of power, though I wonder what his end game is, I mean is it power for powers sake? If so why not back when he turned on Eddard turn on Joffery as well? Course he seems a well thought man, so he may have known his chances of holding it were next to none.

Or is it some other motive, or maybe he loves money. Beats me, he's a hard to figure fellow i nthat reguard and his constant plots. Minus he is out for himself.. I mean at least the end game of Varys is now known and not really surprising.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 27 mai 2012 - 02:06 .

[Fiery Knight]

Question:

So I recently stumbled on a nice offer on Amazon where they were offering 5 off the recent books for a nice price and got interested in buying them. My question is, are the books really good? I mean, is George R. R. Martin a good writer, does he delve into characterization, themes, settings well, or are they ovverated b/c of the show?

Just curious, since I hope these novels are something that I can really delve myself in

[LPPrince]

The books will be remembered forever in history. Thats how good they are.

Like Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings, they are names that will still be heard hundreds of years from now when people are still reading books.

Yes, friggen get them.

[Costin_Razvan]

Hawke_12: The books are 10 times better then the freaking show. The characters are a bit more complex, the political and military situation is presented better, and there is a great deal of subtetly whereas the show has 0.

Confess_A_bear: It is true you need to be a certain type of person to able to rule but I believe Daenerys is that kind of person. She just needs to learn how to do it. But she has what it takes to become one.

She is cunning, intelligent, charismatic as well ruthless and pragmatic when she needs to be but she also genuiely cares for her people.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[RedArmyShogun]

What everyone else said in terms of the show. I picked up the first four as part of a set for 21 bucks, and the last one I pre-order in hardback for 15 (discount on preorders from walmart lulz)

Its well worth it. Mind you the books are rather long even for novels, not that thats a bad thing mind you..its just some parts of some POV's are rather boring. And one of the books you'll either love it or hate it. But most of the book and the works are rather solid and enjoyable. Can't wair for the next one, which is pushing for a mid 2013 release. Though I won't hold my breath on it.

[Costin_Razvan]

Can't wair for the next one, which is pushing for a mid 2013 release.

What is this heresy? One can dream I suppose....

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2012 - 02:49 .

[LPPrince]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

What everyone else said in terms of the show. I picked up the first four as part of a set for 21 bucks, and the last one I pre-order in hardback for 15 (discount on preorders from walmart lulz)

Hah, I have the first four in paperback and I'm waiting for A Dance of Dragons to finally release in paperback this July.

[RedArmyShogun]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Can't wair for the next one, which is pushing for a mid 2013 release.

What is this heresy? One can dream I suppose....

Nah really he's trying to push for that or late 2013, its on his blog, he seems concerned about finishing them. But given who we are talking about...

Also apperantly his publishers are pushing for him to work a little faster lol.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 27 mai 2012 - 02:58 .

[LPPrince]

He started writing the A Song of Ice and Fire series back in 91.

Meaning he's been writing this story since I was born.

20-21 years so far. Still not finished.

[RedArmyShogun]

Yeah and he's not getting any younger, I'm wondering if thats why he's rushing he might fear as a number of fans do. At the rate he's going he'll be dead before the books are done.

Or might want to move on to something else, etc. But he stated he wants to work faster and finish this, plus his publishers are pushing as well, so who knows.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 27 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[Costin_Razvan]

He is 63 and in good health and he has 2 books to go.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Good health?


He's critically obese, and its only two books to go if I'm not right. Actully I am. http://awoiaf.wester...Dream_of_Spring

The man is basically fitting all the signs of a heart attack waiting to happen, his hair is turning white and starting to go, most people Still die in there 70's today.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 27 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[LPPrince]

Yeah, he's in good health. He's not deteriorating into nothingness anytime soon.

Still, he's got two books to go, and knowing him it could take anywhere from 3-8 years for a book to be out. Its crazy.

We gotta hope he finishes it, because he's said before that he will not allow any other author to finish his work.

[Fiery Knight]

Okay I'm convinced. The novels have been ordered.

[Brockololly]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Question:

So I recently stumbled on a nice offer on Amazon where they were offering 5 off the recent books for a nice price and got interested in buying them. My question is, are the books really good? I mean, is George R. R. Martin a good writer, does he delve into characterization, themes, settings well, or are they ovverated b/c of the show?

Just curious, since I hope these novels are something that I can really delve myself in

Absolutely get them. If you like good books, you should read them. Even if you don't like fantasy, you should read them. They're just good reads.

LPPrince wrote...
Still, he's got two books to go, and knowing him it could take anywhere from 3-8 years for a book to be out. Its crazy.

We gotta hope he finishes it, because he's said before that he will not allow any other author to finish his work.

I thought I read in a fairly recent interview or maybe one from late last year that he had about 200 pages done for The WInds of Winter. But he did have a bunch of material done that was cut from A Dance with Dragons too.

I do hope he finishes, but if he just quit writing A Song of Ice and Fire to write a bunch more of the Dunk and Egg novellas, I would be totally ok with that. I think I might even like the Dunk and Egg stories more than A Song of Ice ad Fire at this point.

[RedArmyShogun]

From what I gather he wants to be finished with it in three years (winds of winter) then he wants to move on and finish dream of spring as fast as he can, while you know not making it crap. As he's tried of working on such huge projects, he wants his fans to be happy so he won't stop, and he wants to write more of the Dunk and Egg Stories, plus short stories and small novels (non series) of all sorts. So I think he's reached a burn out point on it, wants it done as he has all the key plots worked out and told to HBO and wants to move on to other things.

Luckly he wants to finish it first. Some writers (like Karen Travis) would drop a project and never look back and say to hell with the fans. But given just the huge amount of writing he does and how carried away he gets I don't think either book will come off as a rushed job.

Yeah on the 200 pages, that was a few months back, plus on top of that he has like 7 chapters he kept out of Dances with Dragons for this coming book. I suspect he has maybe 300 pages done by now, 400 in total. So 2 more years  (given he started work last year while dances with dragons was being published) isn't so far out. Maybe 6-8 years total for both books. Lol I might forget about the series by the time the final book comes sadly. Well hopefully not.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 27 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[LPPrince]

It would be an absolute shame if A Song of Ice and Fire was never finished.

Fact is, we're all lucky. We're alive while one of history's greatest novel series is being written and published.

[RedArmyShogun]

I'm sure it will be finished and sooner than we think. He has the whole plot figured out and finalized it seems. Now its just details. And 6 or 8 years to go ain't so bad for the end to come, and both books, considering one of those years just finished.

I know he's tired of big projects, and wants to go back to small things, but I wodner what other works he might try his hand at, or if he'll let others make stories like as part of an EU to his story or not, he made a rather large world.

[LPPrince]

The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring.

Man, I cannot wait for these two to be out.

[Brp650]

He released a snippet on his web page concerning the next book. It is a page from it..titled Theon. Good read

[Megaton_Hope]

Gotta say, reading the first book makes the Lannisters seem more like a disease than a family.

'Cept Tyrion, of course, he's boss.

[LPPrince]

Tyrion's the good bad guy. Or the bad good guy. Your choice.

Definite boss.