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[Volus Warlord]

 Just finished A Dance with Dragons...
and after reading the Epilogue.. my closing thought..

What the hell is Varys up to?

The only thing he's really ever expressed-on a personal level, that I recall-is that he was "heartbroken" by the fact that he couldn't have Cat. Too lowborn.. and such.

Then he kills the next Hand.. claiming it's for the children. For the good of the land. What?

I mean, he does have things lined up well...

Sansa marries the heir to the veil after Robert dies. Sansa now has claim to the Vale and Winterfell. The Boltons are insane, and no one in the right mind will side with them over the heir to the Starks. Especially with all the nonsense going on in King's Landing. And with Stannis fighting the Boltons.

Lannisters and Tyrells continue infighting over a marriage that was meant to unite them. Dorne may get tied up in it as well. Despite her little march, Cersei may have an oppurtunity to regain power temporarily to fill the void left by the hand, or simply sow dissent through Tommen.

Aegon will (most likely) prove a better ruler than Tommen, and if his invasion is successful, people will join him over the infighting and chaos going on under Tommen.

Still leaves Stannis, Daenarys, Jaime, and Tyrion as wild cards. I don't see how Bran, Rickon, or Arya could come back into the picture and be relevant again atm. Rest in peace, Jon Snow. I loved ya, man.

Coincidence or consequence, no matter. The dominos are all there ready to fall. 

*speculation on*
The Dragon Lady would probably scare more people into joining Aegon, assuming she joins Aegon.  Tyrion becomes her Hand and her brains, as she seems to become progressively crazier. Though I am thoroughly convinced Tyrion will be the treason for love. They way he keeps beating himself up about his first marriage.. it seems inevitable. The other "treasons".. the scale doesn't seem to match up to losing Drogo and her child. An informer? Cmon. 

Jaime.. Jaime is with Brienne trying to find Sansa. Possibly trying to uncover whatever Varys is doing. Jaime and Brienne get a Watchmen ending? "Too late, I've already followed through with my scheme"

Stannis... Stannis will just keep fighting. The only lasting effect I can see is him spreading Melisandre's religion.. and if he did so, he would most certainly be a champion of that faith.. but I can't see how he could win the crown he is after and he will not negotiate to share it.
*speculation off*



What? What is driving this man to do what he does?
Doesn't seem to be after a whole lot of power, money or status for himself.

Might possibly be after Sansa. Marry her, bang her in some way, who knows.

Doesn't have any real KNOWN reason to hold a grudge against any particular house.

Not seen as a religious character.. so not driven by that.

Where does he stand to gain?

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:21 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Well, things I've seen so far that might become significant:

Skinchangers/wargs/beastlings can share consciousness both with animals and with people. In the case of two people sharing the consciousness of one animal (after one has died), as with Varamyr Sixskins taking Orell's eagle, the result is a gestalt of all three.

"Faceless Men," like Jaqen H'hgar, can assume new identities seemingly at will. New face and everything.

"Red Priests" seem to be able to restore a semblance of life to the deceased, as was done to Beric.

[Addai]

Volus Warlord wrote...

 Just finished A Dance with Dragons...
and after reading the Epilogue.. my closing thought..

What the hell is Varys up to?

The only thing he's really ever expressed-on a personal level, that I recall-is that he was "heartbroken" by the fact that he couldn't have Cat. Too lowborn.. and such.

Then he kills the next Hand.. claiming it's for the children. For the good of the land. What?

I think you mean Littlefinger?

Still leaves Stannis, Daenarys, Jaime, and Tyrion as wild cards. I don't see how Bran, Rickon, or Arya could come back into the picture and be relevant again atm. Rest in peace, Jon Snow. I loved ya, man.

Oh, they certainly will.  Arya is going to become the Night Wolf.  People on her list are going to disappear.  Bran will be everyone's eyes and ears, at least in the north.  Jon is certainly not dead.  He may be resurrected as Azor Ahai and Melisandre will use Stannis (or his daughter ) for her fires.  He may warg into Ghost.  Or both.  Rickon will also certainly enter back in.  We are definitely headed north to Skagos in the next book.  GRRM has also said he will expand Osha's role after being inspired by Natalia Tena's performance in Game of Thrones.

The Dragon Lady would probably scare more people into joining Aegon, assuming she joins Aegon.  Tyrion becomes her Hand and her brains, as she seems to become progressively crazier. Though I am thoroughly convinced Tyrion will be the treason for love. They way he keeps beating himself up about his first marriage.. it seems inevitable. The other "treasons".. the scale doesn't seem to match up to losing Drogo and her child. An informer? Cmon.

Interesting.  I don't think I've heard that theory before.

[RedArmyShogun]

Varys is the bald fat dude.

And its obvious what he's up too.

Destablization. Tommen is...well face it, a weak willed puppet. His uber crazy/powertrip/paranoid mother will become the "royal regent" again, and oh boy will this be fun.

Likely will attempt to kill the high septom, which will have two warrior orders storming the gate, the Tyrells will be up in arms (likely jumping to the Dragons forces. He is a loyalist thats plotted and waited. The man seems to actully want stability

[Volus Warlord]

Oh wow, I did get Varys mixed up with Littlefinger. Still, did not see that coming.

[Fredward]

Addai67 wrote...
GRRM has also said he will expand Osha's role after being inspired by Natalia Tena's performance in Game of Thrones.

Did he? Good I always loved Osha. Was sad when she ran of with Rickon.

Is anyone else really bothered by the fact that the five year gap isn't happening anymore? It irks me. More than almost anything else in the novels. All the Stark kids (well MAYBE not Jon) are too young to be doing what they're doing. Sansa is seemingly gonna become a wtfpwnage player of the Game, Bran is gonna become some Treegodmonster and Arya is gonna become some uber assassin that puts Ezio to shame. And without the five year gap this all is suppose to just... happen? Oh Dany as well, what is she? Like 15? And how exactly did it go from "I will use my dragons to destroy the usurpers" to "teehee they're making homes in pyramids, how cute".

And man I feel for Brienne. I cringed when that freak bit a chunk of her face out, like she didn't have it tough enough already. I like un!Cat, she's a **** but it was a real suprise seeing her again.

Varys is awesome with his scheming. Does anyone think Cersei is really as declawed as she appeared with that supper/whatever with her uncle? I dunno, I don't think Cersei is declawable. Though I would ramp up her paranoia by x1000 now that her uncle is dead too, totally expecting her to blame Tyrion also known as the Dwarf in the Walls.

As for Tommen... didn't Maggy the Frog's prediction say that she would see all her children dead before she would be killed by the valonqar? Which is totally James. Not Tyrion. She's the eldest twin and this makes it soooooo much more interesting. I actually feel bad about that, I do think she loves her children, despite everything.

I don't think Jon is dead, I mean not permanently. Though I can see why the Watch would want to kill him, even though his death is just gonna make the whole situation worse, I mean the WIldlings could just seize the whole Wall if they wanted with sheer numbers now if they wanted to.

Bran is obviously supposed to play a pretty important role, but I can't really get myself to care all that much, which is odd since I usually like magical stuff. The most interesting thing happening there at the moment is the Boy Reed's behaviour, didn't he say something about him not living long or some such? It's been a while since I've read the books.

I hope Sansa does ome super awesome scheming and pwns Littlefinger. It would be awesome, also he's bordering on "friendly uncle" status but other than that I actually like him but Sansa outplaying him would give me such joy, or un!Cat eating him, that would be interesting too. XD

Arya. I love Arya. I hope she becomes a wtfpwnage assassin that would be nice, of all the Stark kids she's been through the most I think. Although her becoming a full faceless man would mean her losing who she is, and I don't know if I want her to go that far, just far enough anyway. And I hope she gets to kill at least some of the people on her hitlist.

[Addai]

GRRM has said that he wished he made the kids older to start out with.

[Fredward]

Addai67 wrote...

GRRM has said that he wished he made the kids older to start out with.

Yeah I know. Hindsight of an eagle and all that. Doesn't really fix anything NOW though. I never really did understand why the five year gap was so impossible, an "over reliance on flashbacks" could probably have been filled with a short (preferably very short) book that just kinda sums everything up. He says he doubts he'll be able to end the series with something that pleases everyone but this really bugs me, IF the ending sucks I think the fact that the kids from Barney and Friends have suddenly turned into the Avengers will probably contribute.

Oh and yeah what's gonna happen when the tv series catches up with the books? That seems pretty inevitable. I love Mr. Martin but he writes slower than Robert Jordan, and if another of my favorite authors die before they finish their work I am going to be pissed. And sad. Very, very sad. But yeah will the tv series even stop if it's like five seasons in and Mr. Martin still hasn't finished Winds? Or are they just going to make it up? I'll bet that'll make him peeved.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:58 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Sansa is seemingly gonna become a wtfpwnage player of the Game,

God I hope not. I'm still just at the end of book 3, but she hasn't made a single intelligent decision yet. She's just swept along in the wake of more competent peoples' decisions.

[Fredward]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Sansa is seemingly gonna become a wtfpwnage player of the Game,

God I hope not. I'm still just at the end of book 3, but she hasn't made a single intelligent decision yet. She's just swept along in the wake of more competent peoples' decisions.

Which is why I don't really like Sansa. She still fills the role of utterly-useless-damsel-in-distress waaaay too comfortably. Though I actually hope she grows out of that.

[Megaton_Hope]

Arya, at least, displays some cunning. In her own way she's just acting out a naive fantasy like Sansa is, but if she should eventually return from Braavos, she'll probably be a force to be reckoned with. Moreso than Jaime ever was.

I think he's grooming Jon Snow for something a little more prestigious than "daggers in the dark," too. (I read a lot of spoilers.) Never really expected Robb to make it, but without Jon, he's running short of Starks, and I doubt Tyrion can save Westeros all by himself.

[RedArmyShogun]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Varys is awesome with his scheming. Does anyone think Cersei is really as declawed as she appeared with that supper/whatever with her uncle? I dunno, I don't think Cersei is declawable. Though I would ramp up her paranoia by x1000 now that her uncle is dead too, totally expecting her to blame Tyrion also known as the Dwarf in the Walls.

As for Tommen... didn't Maggy the Frog's prediction say that she would see all her children dead before she would be killed by the valonqar? Which is totally James. Not Tyrion. She's the eldest twin and this makes it soooooo much more interesting. I actually feel bad about that, I do think she loves her children, despite everything.

I don't think Jon is dead, I mean not permanently. Though I can see why the Watch would want to kill him, even though his death is just gonna make the whole situation worse, I mean the WIldlings could just seize the whole Wall if they wanted with sheer numbers now if they wanted to.

True, I think she was just saying that myself, and thats funny is she thinks the Tyrells work for him...now if say another coin is found with the crossbow bolt...

Yeah Given Jaimes problems, it would not surprise me to see him take up arms for Aaegon to restore his honor, but who knows. I mean some can say "well its his kid" look how he's acted at other times, he has no love for those kids, they arn't his but in seed donation alone. And Ceresi has gave him nothing but grief. Also I wonder who really killed Joffery. I don't think Tyrion did. I think he's just running with it, or at the least someone helped him.

Same, I wonder if he even died. Reguardless if the watch feared the wildlings, now with John the only one keeping them in line out of the picture (or not) they will have no reason to spare the nights watch, besides no other lord is going to  come aid them.

[Addai]

Oh, people actually think Tyrion killed Joffrey? Nah. It was Olenna Tyrell, using the stones in Sansa's veil, with Margaery's help.

God I love Granny Tyrell.

[RedArmyShogun]

Some people think it was him given how he claimed it. I knew he did that just to get back at Jamie and given the "gods found him guilty" reguardless. Stupid of him really. Almost cost him his head a couple times now.

As an Edit, didn't know it was Granny though, I  must have skipped that bit, can't say I'm surprised. I suspect a few tyrell heads will roll for it soon enough however... Well for murder at least, one they had nothing to do with.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 11 juillet 2012 - 02:36 .

[chunkyman]

I just finished the 3rd book, it was amazing. Is it true that the 4th book is boring?

[Addai]

It's been a while since I read it, but that was my view. They make a fuss over Sansa wearing the veil with purple stones, and Margaery is drinking out of the wedding cup, so she would be able to easily slip in a poison crystal. But Margaery in the books is a fairly young thing, so I don't think she would have planned it herself. Granny is the brains and chutzpah in that family.

[RedArmyShogun]

Some people like it, some people hate it and find it boring. I'm with the later minus a few chapters.

Edit

Ah so its not stated then. I remember that part, I didn't give it much thought till now,  figured it was them just postering or being difficult...though technically it could gain the Tyrells the Throne...more so if Tommen dies, and the Queen judged unfit...what would a twice widowed queen do but take the throne in both of her husbands names?

Course her head would roll soon after.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 11 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[Addai]

chunkyman wrote...

I just finished the 3rd book, it was amazing. Is it true that the 4th book is boring?

I liked it.  It doesn't have some of the more popular POV characters in it and Brienne's arc wanders a bit.

[Volus Warlord]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Sansa is seemingly gonna become a wtfpwnage player of the Game,

God I hope not. I'm still just at the end of book 3, but she hasn't made a single intelligent decision yet. She's just swept along in the wake of more competent peoples' decisions.

Which is why I don't really like Sansa. She still fills the role of utterly-useless-damsel-in-distress waaaay too comfortably. Though I actually hope she grows out of that.

For a time I suspected that she'd become Cersei 2.0.. but it appears that I was wrong in that regard.

[Megaton_Hope]

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, people actually think Tyrion killed Joffrey? Nah. It was Olenna Tyrell, using the stones in Sansa's veil, with Margaery's help.

God I love Granny Tyrell.

Jaime certainly thinks so, because that's what Tyrion tells him. (In revenge for Jaime's part in Tysha's gang rape and the decades of deceiving Tyrion about it. Like they're always saying, 'a Lannister repays his debts.')

But yeah, it's absolutely not Tyrion. He even wonders who did it during a POV chapter. The strongest candidate advanced in the books as far as I've read was granny of thorns. So far as I know she hadn't come out and admitted it, but the poisoning was all part of this big plot of Littlefinger's, which included Sansa's "Florian" selling her out.

And apparently Littlefinger himself being a total pedo.

As far as the motive in a Tyrell plot...by far the easiest way to go would actually be murdering Cersei and Tywin. Tommen is just a wee bairn, you know. And not a sadistic little creep like Joff. Then it's a question of getting your chosen Hand named.

[Volus Warlord]

Addai67 wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

I just finished the 3rd book, it was amazing. Is it true that the 4th book is boring?

I liked it.  It doesn't have some of the more popular POV characters in it and Brienne's arc wanders a bit.

Cersei's chapters were very "interesting" though. Lol.

[Megaton_Hope]

He laid it on a little thick with Cersei's dream.

[Mercannis]

Feast of Crows isnt a bad book at all. Im now 400 odd pages and i dont understand why it gets so much hate.
It even happened at work when over tea someone spotted me reading the damn thing..."Oei oei not that one thats crap JOn snow isnt in it". Hmm yeah well i prefer the Lannisters

[Megaton_Hope]

I think at the point I've got to, the problem is that the story lacks for villain star power. Tywin had it, but died in the privy. Jaime had it, while he was explicitly a heel - casually pushed a child out of a tower, and everything. Even Joff had it, because he was such a little rat bastard.

Cersei's all messed up and everything, but she's basically pedestrian as a villain.

[Addai]

ASoIaF doesn't need a villain. I'm hoping we'll even come to understand the Others' motives.