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[Megaton_Hope]

The Others need to be a bit more...present...for the story to be about them and their doings.

[TheBlackBaron]

So...is the House of the Undying just the part where George decides he's going to show the major trajectories of the storyline in as cryptic and metaphorical a manner as possible and can only be deciphered after the fact, a la Nostrodamus? 

Like, the bit with Rhaegar and infant Aegon and "Three Dragons" and all that business (which I guess could be an enormous red herring, since as far as I know Aegon is dead). Or the feast with the dead king with wolf head. And so on and so forth.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:18 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

So...is the House of the Undying just the part where George decides he's going to show the major trajectories of the storyline in as cryptic and metaphorical a manner as possible and can only be deciphered after the fact, a la Nostrodamus? 

Like, the bit with Rhaegar and infant Aegon and "Three Dragons" and all that business (which I guess could be an enormous red herring, since as far as I know Aegon is dead). Or the feast with the dead king with wolf head. And so on and so forth.

Permission to reveal spoilers?

How major are they?

[TheBlackBaron]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

So...is the House of the Undying just the part where George decides he's going to show the major trajectories of the storyline in as cryptic and metaphorical a manner as possible and can only be deciphered after the fact, a la Nostrodamus? 

Like, the bit with Rhaegar and infant Aegon and "Three Dragons" and all that business (which I guess could be an enormous red herring, since as far as I know Aegon is dead). Or the feast with the dead king with wolf head. And so on and so forth.

Permission to reveal spoilers?

How major are they?

Fairly major, I suppose.

Eh...if it involves character deaths I'll pass.

Otherwise lay 'em on me. 

[TheBlackBaron]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It's actually the opposite of a character death; you said that Aegon was dead, but in ADWD, he is actually revealed to be alive, and is vying for the Iron Throne himself.

...Well, that's an interesting twist.

Assuming Dany is the second Dragon, that does raise the question of who the "third" Rhaegar was going on about is. 

[Addai]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

So...is the House of the Undying just the part where George decides he's going to show the major trajectories of the storyline in as cryptic and metaphorical a manner as possible and can only be deciphered after the fact, a la Nostrodamus? 

Like, the bit with Rhaegar and infant Aegon and "Three Dragons" and all that business (which I guess could be an enormous red herring, since as far as I know Aegon is dead). Or the feast with the dead king with wolf head. And so on and so forth.

Yes, probably.    But it's also character insight.  That bit with Rhaegar helps to flesh out his mindset, why he started training to be a warrior and why he was so desperate to have another child after his first two.  Which is probably what contributed to his affair with Lyanna Stark, though now we get off into speculative territory.

[Brockololly]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

It's actually the opposite of a character death; you said that Aegon was dead, but in ADWD, he is actually revealed to be alive, and is vying for the Iron Throne himself.

...Well, that's an interesting twist.

Assuming Dany is the second Dragon, that does raise the question of who the "third" Rhaegar was going on about is. 

Yet thats assuming the Aegon in ADwD is actually a Targaryen and not just a pretender. I think there is some thought he's not actually a Targaryen and possibly a Blackfyre.

But all or most of the prophecies and visions in the House of the Undying seem to come true to some extent. Some definitely seem to in the later books while some have yet to amount to anything.

[RedArmyShogun]

I'm pretty sure he is Aegon, the pretender can be anything, even danny herself given the Tagaryens are ment to be rulers on the OTHER side of the sea. Heck it also could mean a real dragon elsewhere. I mean all the one's the Red Preistes keeps trying to awaken. Or the Ironmen have an idea of finding could be monstors of some sort. Heck it also might have just been something to let Dannys paranoia run uncheacked.

I mean one the woman is vauge with her predictions, most of them could mean anything, already happen, or yet to happen. And lastly, SHE TRIED TO KILL HER. Why in the hell would you take the words of an assassin, a crazy old witch none the less, that killed your kid and husband, at face value? Thats just retarded. I mean heck she could have mixed falsehoods in with truths to keep Danny in place knowing her mercy would kill her, if her paranoia doesn't first.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:24 .

[LPPrince]

Aegon's legit.

[Addai]

I hope he's legit myself but there's a solid current of thought that he's the "Mummer's Dragon." It's Varys pulling his strings, after all. Though even if he is the Mummer's Dragon, it doesn't mean he's fake- could just mean that he's Varys' candidate for the throne.

[LPPrince]

Varys does what he does for the realm, after all.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

I hope he's legit myself but there's a solid current of thought that he's the "Mummer's Dragon." It's Varys pulling his strings, after all. Though even if he is the Mummer's Dragon, it doesn't mean he's fake- could just mean that he's Varys' candidate for the throne.

Yeah, its the whole Mummer's Dragon aspect that makes me think he's not legit. Although it would be cool if he was a Blackfyre. He does have the Golden Company with him...maybe he'll end up with the sword Blackfyre too? I wonder if Bloodraven will factor into Aegon's story at all coming up.

[Megaton_Hope]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...
Heck it also could mean a real dragon elsewhere. I mean all the one's the Red Preistes keeps trying to awaken.

I think that Melisandre's prophecies about a stone dragon awakening refer to Dany. Of course, she thinks she's talking about Dragonstone, but those aren't the only stone dragons, to my way of thinking. Aside from how Dany acquired her three dragons as 'stone' eggs and then 'woke them up', there's the matter of the Targaryen lineage, which has slumbered in obscurity.

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I hope he's legit myself but there's a solid current of thought that he's the "Mummer's Dragon." It's Varys pulling his strings, after all. Though even if he is the Mummer's Dragon, it doesn't mean he's fake- could just mean that he's Varys' candidate for the throne.

Yeah, its the whole Mummer's Dragon aspect that makes me think he's not legit. Although it would be cool if he was a Blackfyre. He does have the Golden Company with him...maybe he'll end up with the sword Blackfyre too? I wonder if Bloodraven will factor into Aegon's story at all coming up.

But you see what I mean, that he could be called the Mummer's Dragon and still be a real Targ?  People are thinking it's like the parade show, a fake dragon.  But a really, really good mummer would surprise the hell out of everyone and bring out a live dragon to give them a *real* show.  Varys is just that kind of guy.

I can hope.  :innocent:

Modifié par Addai67, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:20 .

[chunkyman]

Just finished book 4, it was great! I heard people say that it sucked, but I found it quite enjoyable (although a little slow at times).

[LPPrince]

chunkyman wrote...

Just finished book 4, it was great! I heard people say that it sucked, but I found it quite enjoyable (although a little slow at times).

Tell us what you loved about Feast. Like specifically, since you can do that here.

[TJPags]

chunkyman wrote...

Just finished book 4, it was great! I heard people say that it sucked, but I found it quite enjoyable (although a little slow at times).

Book 4 wasn't actually a bad book. 

The problem I think most people had with it was the lack of certain characters appearing - no Dany, no Jon, no Bran, no Tyrion, etc.  It was, actually, half a book, and the absence of those characters made it FEEL like half a book.  Especially if those were your favorite characters, and/or if you dislike greatly the ones who appear in Feast.  The fact that people may not have liked the newly introduced POV characters probably wouldn't have helped.

However, for the story lines it DID include, I thought it was right on par with the other books in the series - which is to say, first rate.

[Mercannis]

The only parts that dragged where the Chapters that Brienne assumed centerstage, i mean it just dragged on and on and on....it was a test of my willpower to finish each PoV involving her.

[Fredward]

Mercannis wrote...

The only parts that dragged where the Chapters that Brienne assumed centerstage, i mean it just dragged on and on and on....it was a test of my willpower to finish each PoV involving her.

I like Brienne as a character but MAN can her POV drag. Have I mentioned I felt bad when she got half her face chewed off? Because I do. Feel bad that is.

Random, but does anyone else wonder what exactly is the point of Penny in these books? I mean I'm all for Tyrion finding love or whatever but Mr. Martin hasn't given me the idea that he caters to his characters, so why the utterly random female dwarf especially for Tyrion? Totally expecting her to die some awful death just as Tyrion starts really liking her. Pushing him ever closer to the brink of bitter insanity and possible suicide.

Oh. Over on the official boards they have this interesting theory that Dany is the paper dragon, I forget the details now but yeah. They have a LOT of theories over there. -SPOILER- Oh and Sandor isn't dead.

[Volus Warlord]

TJPags wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Just finished book 4, it was great! I heard people say that it sucked, but I found it quite enjoyable (although a little slow at times).

Book 4 wasn't actually a bad book. 

The problem I think most people had with it was the lack of certain characters appearing - no Dany, no Jon, no Bran, no Tyrion, etc.  It was, actually, half a book, and the absence of those characters made it FEEL like half a book.  Especially if those were your favorite characters, and/or if you dislike greatly the ones who appear in Feast.  The fact that people may not have liked the newly introduced POV characters probably wouldn't have helped.

However, for the story lines it DID include, I thought it was right on par with the other books in the series - which is to say, first rate.

Cersei is what makes Book 4. Sad as it sounds. 

[Nameless one7]

Volus Warlord wrote...

TJPags wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Just finished book 4, it was great! I heard people say that it sucked, but I found it quite enjoyable (although a little slow at times).

Book 4 wasn't actually a bad book. 

The problem I think most people had with it was the lack of certain characters appearing - no Dany, no Jon, no Bran, no Tyrion, etc.  It was, actually, half a book, and the absence of those characters made it FEEL like half a book.  Especially if those were your favorite characters, and/or if you dislike greatly the ones who appear in Feast.  The fact that people may not have liked the newly introduced POV characters probably wouldn't have helped.

However, for the story lines it DID include, I thought it was right on par with the other books in the series - which is to say, first rate.

Cersei is what makes Book 4. Sad as it sounds. 

I hope that Cersei is dead at the end of A song of fire and ice.