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Volus Warlord wrote...

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Just finished book 4, it was great! I heard people say that it sucked, but I found it quite enjoyable (although a little slow at times).


Book 4 wasn't actually a bad book. 

The problem I think most people had with it was the lack of certain characters appearing - no Dany, no Jon, no Bran, no Tyrion, etc.  It was, actually, half a book, and the absence of those characters made it FEEL like half a book.  Especially if those were your favorite characters, and/or if you dislike greatly the ones who appear in Feast.  The fact that people may not have liked the newly introduced POV characters probably wouldn't have helped.

However, for the story lines it DID include, I thought it was right on par with the other books in the series - which is to say, first rate.


Cersei is what makes Book 4. Sad as it sounds. 


You know, I dislike Cersei immensely - have since Book 1 - but I agree, her POV's, that storyline, carried a lot of book 4 for me.  Which surprised the hell out of me.

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The only parts that dragged where the Chapters that Brienne assumed centerstage, i mean it just dragged on and on and on....it was a test of my willpower to finish each PoV involving her.


I like Brienne as a character but MAN can her POV drag. Have I mentioned I felt bad when she got half her face chewed off? Because I do. Feel bad that is.

Random, but does anyone else wonder what exactly is the point of Penny in these books? I mean I'm all for Tyrion finding love or whatever but Mr. Martin hasn't given me the idea that he caters to his characters, so why the utterly random female dwarf especially for Tyrion? Totally expecting her to die some awful death just as Tyrion starts really liking her. Pushing him ever closer to the brink of bitter insanity and possible suicide.

Oh. Over on the official boards they have this interesting theory that Dany is the paper dragon, I forget the details now but yeah. They have a LOT of theories over there. -SPOILER- Oh and Sandor isn't dead.


And yup, this is what I mean,  Brienne's storyline dragged BADLY.  Her character as a whole doesn't appeal to me, and her usefullness ran its course rather early on.  The fact that she got so much "air time" is, of course, due to other charcters having been cut and left for Book 5.  Spaced evenly throughout both books, I might have tolerated her more . . .but in contrast, I may not have enjoyed the Cersie storyline as much if it wasn't so prominent.

As to Penny . . .  beats the crap out of me.  Some moral tale, I imagine, about untintended consequences or karma or something.  I never understand those things . .. . Image IPB

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Some VYou questions I just answered relating to ASOIAF.

About Sansa Stark and my opinion on her

My favorite quote from the first book

Least favorite characters

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Much like with the show, Blackwater has pretty much made book!Cersei for me. So I think I'll be okay with Feast For Crows if she's one of the core parts of it.

Now if only something similar would happen for Sansa and Dany.

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I walked into my mom's room the other day. She was watching a marathon of GoT.

I'm like, "COME ON, GET ON WITH THE BOOKS ALREADY!"

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Much like with the show, Blackwater has pretty much made book!Cersei for me. So I think I'll be okay with Feast For Crows if she's one of the core parts of it.

Now if only something similar would happen for Sansa and Dany.


Dany gets some stuff to do in A Storm of Swords.

Feast for Crows isn't that bad, I think its really that A Storm of Swords is that good. So coming off ASoS, AFfC seems pretty mundane and slow. Plus, it splits the characters so you don't see certain established POV characters at all in it.

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Out of the two(Feast and Dance) which would you prefer?

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While both of them have interesting characters ( Jaime, Jon, Tyrion, Daenerys, Victarion, Theon and Davos ) I'd have to go with Dance simply because to me what happens in that book is overall more interesting to me.

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Out of the two(Feast and Dance) which would you prefer?


Dance. Easily. The stuff that happens in the North in Dance is some of the best material in the whole series. And by the end it feels like the whole story is finally moving again.

Modifié par Brockololly, 19 juillet 2012 - 03:53 .


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Lets hope it picks up in Winds. Which it has to.

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Cersei is what makes Book 4. Sad as it sounds. 


I enjoyed reading the chapters with Jaime as well. The character went from being mediocre to great in my eyes.

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Out of the two(Feast and Dance) which would you prefer?



Dance.

Simply because I enjoy the storylines in that book (with the exception of Theon) much more than those in Feast.

And Dance catches up in time, so we do see some of the Feast POV characters in Dance.

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Out of the two(Feast and Dance) which would you prefer?

Dance, easily.

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Lets hope it picks up in Winds. Which it has to.



No lets hope he dosen't take 4 years, and is still alive to write Winds, nevermind A Dream of Spring.

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ADWD and AFFC are one book- there's really no sense in talking about them separately. Both are good, with high points and lagging points.

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I can wait. Well I'd prefer not too but there are a LOT of books in the world. Just as long as he doesn't die before he finishes the series, I mean Mr Martin isn't a spring chicken.

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So I'm not sure if this was explained and I just glossed over it or not, but what happened to the Storm Lords after Blackwater? Obviously the Tyrells have gone over to the Lannister's with Margaery's betrothal to Joffrey, and Dorne's been brought in with Myrcella, but it's never explained what the Storm Lords are doing.

In the heat of the battle with Loras wearing Renly's armor they either turn-cloaked or yielded, but once it came out that it wasn't Renly at all, were they compelled by force to join with the Lannister's anyways? Or did they retreat back to their lands to sit this one out? Or are they mostly dead to begin with? Being as everybody seems to have bought the story that Joffrey isn't Robert's heir, it seems unlikely they'd have any reason to fight for him even if they won't for Stannis.

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So I'm not sure if this was explained and I just glossed over it or not, but what happened to the Storm Lords after Blackwater? Obviously the Tyrells have gone over to the Lannister's with Margaery's betrothal to Joffrey, and Dorne's been brought in with Myrcella, but it's never explained what the Storm Lords are doing.

In the heat of the battle with Loras wearing Renly's armor they either turn-cloaked or yielded, but once it came out that it wasn't Renly at all, were they compelled by force to join with the Lannister's anyways? Or did they retreat back to their lands to sit this one out? Or are they mostly dead to begin with? Being as everybody seems to have bought the story that Joffrey isn't Robert's heir, it seems unlikely they'd have any reason to fight for him even if they won't for Stannis.


Have you finished ACoK yet? There is one chapter where Joffrey hands out his rewards and punishes some of the nobles/knights taken prisoner, while also letting them pledge oathes of fealty. I can't remember if they were nobles from the Stormlands or not, but I recall some of those guys denouncing Joffrey during that ceremony as they're taken away and some pledging fealty. Since most of the guys from the Stormlands backed Stannis after Renly's death, I'm guessing most went over to Joffrey out of self preservation.

The ASoIaF wiki says that the Storm Lords mostly went over to Joffrey after Blackwater to keep the King's peace. I wouldn't necessarily go over to the wiki though as there are spoilers for A Dance with Dragons on that page.

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TJPags wrote...

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Out of the two(Feast and Dance) which would you prefer?



Simply because I enjoy the storylines in that book (with the exception of Theon) much more than those in Feast.

Meek! It rhymes with reek!

Modifié par Aerevane, 23 juillet 2012 - 06:16 .


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Brockololly wrote...

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So I'm not sure if this was explained and I just glossed over it or not, but what happened to the Storm Lords after Blackwater? Obviously the Tyrells have gone over to the Lannister's with Margaery's betrothal to Joffrey, and Dorne's been brought in with Myrcella, but it's never explained what the Storm Lords are doing.

In the heat of the battle with Loras wearing Renly's armor they either turn-cloaked or yielded, but once it came out that it wasn't Renly at all, were they compelled by force to join with the Lannister's anyways? Or did they retreat back to their lands to sit this one out? Or are they mostly dead to begin with? Being as everybody seems to have bought the story that Joffrey isn't Robert's heir, it seems unlikely they'd have any reason to fight for him even if they won't for Stannis.


Have you finished ACoK yet? There is one chapter where Joffrey hands out his rewards and punishes some of the nobles/knights taken prisoner, while also letting them pledge oathes of fealty. I can't remember if they were nobles from the Stormlands or not, but I recall some of those guys denouncing Joffrey during that ceremony as they're taken away and some pledging fealty. Since most of the guys from the Stormlands backed Stannis after Renly's death, I'm guessing most went over to Joffrey out of self preservation.

The ASoIaF wiki says that the Storm Lords mostly went over to Joffrey after Blackwater to keep the King's peace. I wouldn't necessarily go over to the wiki though as there are spoilers for A Dance with Dragons on that page.


Yeah, I just started on ASoS now - past Jon's first chapter where he's talking with Mance. 

I remember the chapter with Joffrey handing out rewards but I don't think anybody was specifically named. My impression was actually that most of them were the Reach lords that had ridden with Stannis from Storm's End, with only a few actually being Storm Lords. But I guess the wiki's explanation makes sense enough (even though nobody really seems to think of Joffrey as a Baratheon). 

Also - Margaery and the Queen of Thorns are great. That is all. 

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Also - Margaery and the Queen of Thorns are great. That is all. 

Oh, you have no idea.

^_^

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Finished the 5th book. Ten bucks says Millesandre uses her powers to save Jon Snow's life.

A Dance With Dragons is much more epic than A Feast For Crows was, although both are good. Theon's chapters were the best, it's amazing how deeply the torture has affected him. Ramsay Snow is a great character, hopefully we see lots more of him in the next book.

What's the ETA on the next book?

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I'm kinda expecting that lol, but not sure, if so it would be one hell of a coup for her.

Aslo true.

Also unknown. I've seen 2013-14-15 and never as estimates. The publishers seem to be pushing him and he has at least 1/4th of it done so late 13 early 14 might not be far featched as long as he doesn't do "other things" at the same time.

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Finally got my ASoIaF book collection a few days ago! Time to start reading. I should have them read at least before season 3 hits on.

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Have fun! I wish I could go back and read them again for the first time.

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I know that feeling.

Truth be told, I'm mostly struggling through the first book, since I already know the major plot points off it, but it still manages to give a deeper insight on the world (obviously).

Though I'm afraid of reading book two in the near future, for obvious reasons...

Modifié par Chewin3, 29 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .