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brettc893 wrote...

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Finished the 5th book. Ten bucks says Millesandre uses her powers to save Jon Snow's life.

I say it's good ol' fashioned constitution, and maybe a timely intervention by a Maester.


I know it's old, but you guys are fully aware that Jon is The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai born again, right?


That's one theory - personally I prefer the idea that it is Daenerys (and far more of the evidence in the books seems to point that way, though it could all be red herrings), though I've heard far stranger theories than either of those two.  Image IPB

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brettc893 wrote...

I know it's old, but you guys are fully aware that Jon is The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai born again, right?


I hope they don't do too much with that plot point, I'd hate to see Jon and Dany ride dragons into the sunset as they defeat the evilz.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 décembre 2012 - 05:37 .


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Dave of Canada wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

I know it's old, but you guys are fully aware that Jon is The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai born again, right?


I hope they don't do too much with that plot point, I'd hate to see Jon and Dany ride dragons into the sunset as they defeat the evilz.


I doubt he'll ride a Dragon, but eventually they WILL unite in the War For The Dawn, prophesy and all that. 

I've always seen the Others like the Reapers, and the Night's Watch like Shepard. No one listens till it's too late, but when the time comes, they'll unite.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

I know it's old, but you guys are fully aware that Jon is The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai born again, right?


I hope they don't do too much with that plot point, I'd hate to see Jon and Dany ride dragons into the sunset as they defeat the evilz.


This George R.R. Martin that we're talking about... :lol: Of all likelihood, I half-except the dragons to die mid-flight across the ocean and Daenery murdering Jon Snow for random reasons. :P

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Savber100 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

I know it's old, but you guys are fully aware that Jon is The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai born again, right?


I hope they don't do too much with that plot point, I'd hate to see Jon and Dany ride dragons into the sunset as they defeat the evilz.


This George R.R. Martin that we're talking about... :lol: Of all likelihood, I half-except the dragons to die mid-flight across the ocean and Daenery murdering Jon Snow for random reasons. :P


Hah - indeed - by the end of book 7, at least 75% of the PoV characters will probably be dead.

Or maybe he'll shock us all, and not kill a single character in the last book.  That would be truly unexpected.  Image IPB

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He's going to kill off a lot of people. That much he's made clear.

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Boiny Bunny wrote...
The TV show and book series exist within separate realms of canon lore.  The TV show changes a great deal of details from the books (much more so in Series 2 than Series 1) - as such, I wouldn't consider anything from the TV series to be 'canon' in the book series.
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Yea after having read the third book, I see scenes in the show as interpretations rather than canon (agreed that Varys and Littlefinger acted OCC).

I think Charles Dance is a phenomenal actor and that he dominates all scenes he is in. But he's not exactly like Tywin in the book. With Arya, he talks too much, while Tywin is not known to be talkative. I like the content of what he says to Arya, but he's more enigmatic in the books, with other people talking about him (most prominently Kevan). That said, what I do consider canon is Tywin's look in the show, the one in the book looks a bit silly (whiskers and baldness, meh).

Anyhoo, Tywin is easily, easily, my favorite character of the books.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:21 .


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brettc893 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

I know it's old, but you guys are fully aware that Jon is The Prince That Was Promised and Azor Ahai born again, right?


I hope they don't do too much with that plot point, I'd hate to see Jon and Dany ride dragons into the sunset as they defeat the evilz.


I doubt he'll ride a Dragon, but eventually they WILL unite in the War For The Dawn, prophesy and all that. 

I've always seen the Others like the Reapers, and the Night's Watch like Shepard. No one listens till it's too late, but when the time comes, they'll unite.



Then Joffery is shown to be one of the others and tells about some crazy ass plan and Jon has to pick one of three color lights?

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 17 décembre 2012 - 04:14 .


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...
The TV show and book series exist within separate realms of canon lore.  The TV show changes a great deal of details from the books (much more so in Series 2 than Series 1) - as such, I wouldn't consider anything from the TV series to be 'canon' in the book series.
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Yea after having read the third book, I see scenes in the show as interpretations rather than canon (agreed that Varys and Littlefinger acted OCC).

I think Charles Dance is a phenomenal actor and that he dominates all scenes he is in. But he's not exactly like Tywin in the book. With Arya, he talks too much, while Tywin is not known to be talkative. I like the content of what he says to Arya, but he's more enigmatic in the books, with other people talking about him (most prominently Kevan). That said, what I do consider canon is Tywin's look in the show, the one in the book looks a bit silly (whiskers and baldness, meh).

Anyhoo, Tywin is easily, easily, my favorite character of the books.



Tywin approves :D


I think of the TV series as an adaptation and look at it as seperate from the books. I'm only part way into the first book, A Game of Thrones, and while they've kept clost to the original text in series 1 I do know that later on they have veered off from it. Yet, there are some scenes in season 2 and season 1 when read in combination with the books that make me think that Tywin Lannister while cold, ruthless and intelligent. Actually would have been a perfect ruler for the Seven Kingdoms, even if he did rule in effect for 20 years under the Mad King.

The scene on the series where Charles Dance, talks to Jamie, while skinning a stag (screams metaphor, one of my favorite scenes). We all know Jamie to be flippant and somewhat joking, even in the books I think Tyrion mentions, or notes, his brother never takes anything seriously. So it's kind of hammered home when he's there alone with his father, that he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't utter a word out of turn, that Jamie fears and respects his father, almost as much as everyone else. 

I can understand the issues, with representing Tywin, early in season 1 as I don't think he appears in the books until later, but it's more difficult I think for the TV series to portray and convey to viewers effectively the kind of man he is, than it is in the book, when people mention and talk about him and we can get a feel for what he's like as a character better through his Kevan, Tyrion, Jamie and to an extent the Starks eyes. Each one gives a different view of Tywin, but you can't pull that off as effectively in the show, without us actually seeing him.

Tywin has become my favorite character in the show, easily because of Charles Dance, but also because of some of the scenes that he's in, and the story that he tells about House Lannister etc. His rise, his father, Jamie. etc. Despite it not being in the books, I have enjoyed them.

But from what I know of him in the books I don't think he'll disappoint either.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 décembre 2012 - 04:37 .


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billy the squid wrote...
The scene on the series where Charles Dance, talks to Jamie, while skinning a stag (screams metaphor, one of my favorite seens). We all know Jamie to be flippant and somewhat joking, even in the books I think Tyrion mentions, or notes, his brother never takes anything seriously. So it's kind of hammered home when he's there alone with his father, that he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't utter a word out of turn. 


Oh that scene was perfect imo and I do consider it canon.

And yes, I believe Tywin would have been the best king, better than all other contenders combined.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That said, what I do consider canon is Tywin's look in the show, the one in the book looks a bit silly (whiskers and baldness, meh).


I liked that description in the books anyway about his look. Kind of reflective of his character. Tywin starts going bald and instead of just being bald goes all out and shaves his head. No half measures with him.

But Charles Dance is awesome as Tywin on the show.

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Game of Thrones inspired beers on the way

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billy the squid wrote...


The scene on the series where Charles Dance, talks to Jamie, while skinning a stag (screams metaphor, one of my favorite scenes). We all know Jamie to be flippant and somewhat joking, even in the books I think Tyrion mentions, or notes, his brother never takes anything seriously. So it's kind of hammered home when he's there alone with his father, that he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't utter a word out of turn, that Jamie fears and respects his father, almost as much as everyone else. 



"You want to say something clever? Go on say something clever" 

Never saw Jaime shut up as fast as he did with just two sentences. :P

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Warning: SPOILERS from Book 5 below (A Dance With Dragons).


Curious to hear what people think about the theory that 'Aegon' is actually Illyrio's daughter son with his second wife? Do you agree/disagree with this theory? Why?

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Daughter?  :huh:

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Daughter?  :huh:


Err...son Image IPB

Clearly having one of those days...

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BAAARRRROOOOON

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I'm happy, I just got the next five books (the two parts of ASoS and ADwD, plus AFfC), a Ned Stark poster for the show, the 'lands' map collection and a 2013 calendar. My next year is sorted I think.

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I was like, "next five books, there are ONLY five books" hahaha, but I get you.

I'm waiting for A Dance with Dragons to be released in paperback. This coming year, it'll happen.

And I'm still taking ages to re-read Feast because its so GODDAMN SLOOOOOOOW

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Yes, that could be a bit confusing ha.

I need to finish Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords 1 before season 3 comes out in March. I'm half way through Clash and reading at a rate of knots, so a reasonable goal... I hope.

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A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, and A Storm of Swords are all awesome as hell.

Feast is where it starts getting slow. You'll know what I mean when you get there eventually, hahaha.

And don't worry about reading slow. My mom bought herself A Game of Thrones a looong time ago and I think she's still only 120 pages in.

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Haha ok thanks.

I think my problem is that I read sporadically; one day I'll read five chapters and then I just won't read for a couple of days.

Anyway, I guess how fast I read doesn't matter, as long as I enjoy them I'm not bothered.

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Enjoyment is all that matters. :)

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Boiny Bunny wrote...

Warning: SPOILERS from Book 5 below (A Dance With Dragons).


Curious to hear what people think about the theory that 'Aegon' is actually Illyrio's daughter son with his second wife? Do you agree/disagree with this theory? Why?


He´s got the Targy eye color and hair, so not likely. Aegon is probably Aegon, Martin shoved it to our face when Dany was in the vision´s house back in CoK.

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And I'm still taking ages to re-read Feast because its so GODDAMN SLOOOOOOOW


But it's worth it just to bust a gut laughing at how stupid Cersei is. Apart from the Dorne chapters. God damn.