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[Volus Warlord]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

It just occurred to me that some of this prophecy business can refer to Arya pretty easily. Now that she's got a connection to "salt" especially.

Cersei's blood magic prophecy or Melissandre's prophecy?

[TJPags]

Volus Warlord wrote...

TJPags wrote...

WTF are they doing to the damn series? DO they plan on completely re-writing the books?

Yes. 

I'm really not sure how I feel about that.

[TheJediSaint]

TJPags wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

TJPags wrote...

WTF are they doing to the damn series? DO they plan on completely re-writing the books?

Yes. 

I'm really not sure how I feel about that.

They're not rewriting the books.   They're writing a TV show based on the books.   That means they often need to make changes because literature and television are fundamentally different beasts.

[TJPags]

TheJediSaint wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

TJPags wrote...

WTF are they doing to the damn series? DO they plan on completely re-writing the books?

Yes. 

I'm really not sure how I feel about that.

They're not rewriting the books.   They're writing a TV show based on the books.   That means they often need to make changes because literature and television are fundamentally different beasts.

Yes, you are correct, and I completely agree with that statement.

However, I find myself wondering - more and more as the show goes on - just what the changes and additions are adding to the story.  Because a change for the sake of change bothers me, especially when it's a change from something already very very good.

As examples:  What benefit is there to showing the "love story" between Robb and Jeyne Westerling?  (sorry, Talisa  - which brings me to what was the point of changing her name/family/etc?)

What benefit was there to the scene where Cat reminisces about Jon's illness, and her inability to keep her promise by treating him like family?  Just the need to show her to be cold-hearted?  Why?

Ros:  When did she become some kind of main character?

[Volus Warlord]

TJPags wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

TJPags wrote...

WTF are they doing to the damn series? DO they plan on completely re-writing the books?

Yes. 

I'm really not sure how I feel about that.

They're not rewriting the books.   They're writing a TV show based on the books.   That means they often need to make changes because literature and television are fundamentally different beasts.

Yes, you are correct, and I completely agree with that statement.

However, I find myself wondering - more and more as the show goes on - just what the changes and additions are adding to the story.  Because a change for the sake of change bothers me, especially when it's a change from something already very very good.

As examples:  What benefit is there to showing the "love story" between Robb and Jeyne Westerling?  (sorry, Talisa  - which brings me to what was the point of changing her name/family/etc?)

What benefit was there to the scene where Cat reminisces about Jon's illness, and her inability to keep her promise by treating him like family?  Just the need to show her to be cold-hearted?  Why?

Ros:  When did she become some kind of main character?

Well, the actress went to the director and threw a fit, so..

[chunkyman]

Finally got around to reading all the books. Now, for the long wait...

[LTD]

Eh, personally I warmly welcome change for sake of change and addition for sake of addition. I don't want some sort of 1:1 fan-tribute of books. Bad changes surely blow though. Some of the best and worst scenes of the HBO series have been ones written by/for HBO.

Modifié par LTD, 09 avril 2013 - 06:50 .

[Megaton_Hope]

KvT Resurrect wrote...
Did he have a job or just read and go to... establishments all day?

I feel like reading and going to establishments all day has been his modus operandi for a while.

Volus Warlord wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

It
just occurred to me that some of this prophecy business can refer to
Arya pretty easily. Now that she's got a connection to "salt"
especially.

Cersei's blood magic prophecy or Melissandre's prophecy?

Well, both, really. The question that occurs to me about the "Valonqar" is whether the relationship to Cersei is required (a valonqar rather than your valonqar) and whether "brother" rather than "sibling" is necessarily the required meaning. She may well have misunderstood Maggy. (She seems to lean toward Tyrion, some fan folks seem to lean Jaime, doesn't necessarily mean blood relative of hers, I think. Could mean Sandor Clegane, for that matter, given the way things seem to be shaking out.)

Anyway. The "prince who was promised" is supposed to be born again in smoke and salt. Arya adopted the "Arry" identity right around the time of the sacking of Winterfell and the Battle of the Blackwater, and then Salty when she was going to sail for Braavos. She doesn't meet some other requirements so well, of course.

[TEWR]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Well, both, really. The question that occurs to me about the "Valonqar" is whether the relationship to Cersei is required (a valonqar rather than your valonqar) and whether "brother" rather than "sibling" is necessarily the required meaning. She may well have misunderstood Maggy. (She seems to lean toward Tyrion, some fan folks seem to lean Jaime, doesn't necessarily mean blood relative of hers, I think. Could mean Sandor Clegane, for that matter, given the way things seem to be shaking out.)

I think the meaning is indeed "little brother", because didn't Cersei get it translated by someone long ago?

As for Sandor, I think what's going to happen is Sandor's going to come across Gregor's Frankenstein corpse that Qyburn's been working on and kill him out of mercy, rather then wrath. It's strongly implied Sandor's the gravedigger and that when the Elder Brother talks of Sandor being dead he means the identity as opposed to Sandor himself.

Which we all know, I'm sure.

So it seems certain Sandor will take his sword up once more against his "brother", but I doubt he'd go up against Cersei. Not anymore, anyway. 

[Addai]

Bumping for discussion of ASoIaF stuff which is making the Game of Thrones TV discussion a spoilerfest.

[TheRealJayDee]

Addai67 wrote...

Bumping for discussion of ASoIaF stuff which is making the Game of Thrones TV discussion a spoilerfest.

Good move!

[CronoDragoon]

Really hoping they end this season with Arya getting on the boat so we can get to some assassin stuff next season. It'd require 3 scenes for her though, at least, right? Warging to see her dead mother, leaving the Hound, getting on the boat. I suppose they could skip the warging scene but it's a good lead-in to her ability to utilize it during assassin training.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 05 juin 2013 - 03:06 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

I hope arya's wolf ends up coming across either the frey's or the boltons and tears them apart.

And I dont mean one or two of them, but all of them. Hundreds of wolves vs ramsey and his bastard boys, let's see who wins.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 05 juin 2013 - 05:29 .

[CronoDragoon]

simfamSP wrote...

Don't you wish the show tricked the viewers into thinking Arya was also killed. Imagine the screams of terror as the hound uses an axe to knock her out. It would have been fitting seeing how Arya knocks that dude out with a branch xD

Ugh, that may have been too much. I was never fooled by the Arya fake death in the books, but with the addition of Talisa and her unborn heir I think adding an Arya fake out would have done more harm than good.

[LPPrince]

[Cainhurst Crow]

Do karstarks count? Cause they can afford to loose a few members.

[TobiTobsen]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Do karstarks count? Cause they can afford to loose a few members.

Not that many. IIRC there are only 4 or 5 named Karstarks left.

Getting killed off seems to be a Stark bloodline thing, even in the cadet house

[MisterJB]

There is a reason the Stark sigil features only the head.

Anyway, in hindsight, does anyone think Mance ever stood a chance? Assuming the political climate of Westeros remained what it was when he last visited Winterfell; which means Eddard as Lord of Winterfell, Tywin as Lord of Casterly Rock, Robert as King, Mormont as Lord Commander; I don't see how he could possibly win a conflict with Westeros.
His army was routed by Stannis' meagre forces plus a weakened Night's Watch and a group of boys managed to halt his advance at the Wall.
I suppose that, at best, he could have attempted to negotiate with Mormont and Eddard who might believe the Others are coming. But if he attempted to fight his way to Westeros, I doubt he would have stood a change against the North united behind Eddard as well as all the forces Robert; who would welcome the war; could muster. Going "as far South as South goes", as Osha put it, was simply out of question. It would be pretty much impossible to fight his way to Dorne.

[LPPrince]

Mance wouldn't of made it, militarily. He'd need to convince them that The White Walkers/The Others needed to be dealt with. Best chance of that is Eddard first, then have Eddard try to convince the rest.

One problem- I don't think Eddard would've successfully convinced anyone. Not Robert, not Tywin, not Stannis, not Renly, no one.

[Clover Rider]

I think it's funny but the thing I'm most interested in in the entire series is where my favorite story is going:

Sansa, whose latest stuff was honestly one of the most interesting things going on in that parallel time frame of books 4 and 5.

Sansa making those snowcastles at the Eyrie was one of my favorite scenes ;w;

That one old lady prophecy that foreshadowed the ~Purple~ Wedding basically implies that Sansa is going to be the one to kill Petyr, undoubtedly, or at the very most minimum, she kills some other character who can be symbolized with a titan lol f**k that shes killing Petyr.

I'm really interested in what would come to that, where she's going in the end, and just what kind of person she'll become. Ughhh I'm more pumped for Sansa than any other character.


I don't know why but the past week I just got hit bad with BOOK 6 PLEASE COME OUT fever.

Modifié par Some Geth, 08 juin 2013 - 06:14 .

[LPPrince]

Ah yes, the Purple Wedding.

SOON.

[MisterJB]

And here is another thought. If Varys is telling the truth; and I don't any reason for him to lie to a dying Kevan; and he truly wants to improve the lives of the common people of the Seven Kingdom, how on earth could he possibly think having one hundred thousand dothraki invade was a good idea?
The Golden Company will want some gold and castles and that is it. The dothraki are savages. They would kill every or enslave every man, rape and enslave every woman, kill the children and just flat out destroy the culture of the Seven Kingdoms?
Did he really think meek old Daenerys could control Drogo? Maybe was he hoping that fighting the Great Houses would weaken Drogo's khalasar to the point the Golden Company could force them out? I don't know.

Modifié par MisterJB, 13 juin 2013 - 04:40 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Either that or the plan was to have Viserys marry off Danny to Drogo and take the khalasar on a rampage across Westeros and then have Aegon and the Golden Company swoop in and easily defeat the beggar king and take the throne. No one liked Viserys and with the political train wreck engineered by Varys the people of Westeros might welcome Aegon with open arms.

Granted, Danny taking over the khalasar and her dragons probably weren't a part of the plan. I'm half expecting her to never even make it to Westeros, her savior complex and inability to comprehend the political machinations of Mereen might cost her the Iron Throne.