1269 réponses à ce sujet

[DrBlingzle]

Welcome to the party, DrBlingzle. Join us in our despair and be sure to try the cheese!

Why thank you, I'll just be over here desperately looking at every preview of Winds of Winter which has been shown thus far.

[Ozzy]

They're all pretty solid chapters.

 

"Mercy" is the one that's stuck with me though.

[CrazyRah]

I just finished all the books published!

God I can't wait until the next one comes out...

*Checks estimates*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*cries*

 

The wait is long.. so very long!

[LPPrince]

I'm sitting here with this advanced copy of A Dream of Spring and man, YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN KNOW

[LPPrince]

Pfft

 

I've already got his next work in the ASOIAF setting.

 

Yeah? Well I am GRRM's brain.

[CrazyRah]

Yeah? Well I am GRRM's brain.

 

Work faster

[LPPrince]

Work faster

 

*expletive*

 

Nice, nice

[CrazyRah]

When I got no words my bro will cover.

 

*brofist to bro of bros*

 

*brofist*

 

That's what bros do!

 

Now if it were so easy to encourage GRRM's brain to work faster..

[Fidite Nemini]

The wait is long.. so very long!

 

Winds of Winter is coming.

[Nightshade715]

Maybe the first draft? xD

Now that's much more realistic!

 

Some of you have been waiting for The Winds of Winter longer than I've been a fan of ASoIaF. In my country they started translating the books in 2012 and the translated A Dance With Dragons will be released sometime this spring.

[DrBlingzle]

Okay I just heard a theory today:

Spoiler

Robert Strong (Gregor) stands for Cercei in her trial but the gravedigger (Sandor) stands for the faith. And they finally fight.

Of course this is assuming that Robert Strong is Gregor and that the Gravedigger theory is true and even then the faith would somehow have to seek him out, so all in all it seems unlikely but goddammit I just want to see those two fight to the death!

 

 

 

 

And for Sandor to win of course.

[DrBlingzle]

So has any one else seen this?

http://www.vox.com/2...thrones-outline

Spoiler

Dear Ralph,

Here are the first thirteen chapters (170 pages) of the high fantasy novel I promised you, which I'm calling A Game of Thrones. When completed, this will be the first volume in what I see as an epic trilogy with the overall title, A Song of Ice and Fire.
As you know, I don't outline my novels. I find that if I know exactly where a book is going, I lose all interest in writing it. I do, however, have some strong notions as to the overall structure of the story I'm telling, and the eventual fate of many of the principle characters in the drama. Roughly speaking, there are three major conflicts set in motion in the chapters enclosed. These will form the major plot threads of the trilogy, [unclear] each other in what should be a complex but exciting (I hope [unclear] tapestry. Each of the [unclear] presents a major threat [unclear] of my imaginary realm, the Seven Kingdoms, and to the live [unclear] principal characters.
The first threat grows from the emnity between the great houses of Lannister and Stark as it plays out in a cycle of plot, counterplot, ambition, murder, and revenge, with the iron throne of the Seven Kingdoms as the ultimate prize. This will form the backbone of the first volume of the trilogy, A Game of Thrones.
While the lion of Lannister and the direwolf of Stark snarl and scrap, however, a second and greater threat takes shape across the narrow sea, where the Dothraki horselords mass their barbarian hordes for a great invasion of the Seven Kingdoms, led by the fierce and beautiful Daenerys Stormborn, the last of the Targaryen dragonlords. The Dothraki invasion will be the central story of my second volume, A Dance with Dragons.
The greatest danger of all, however, comes from the north, from the icy wastes beyond the Wall, where half-forgotten demons out of legend, the inhuman others, raise cold legions of the undead and the neverborn and prepare to ride down on the winds of winter to extinguish everything that we would call "life." The only thing that stands between the Seven Kingdoms and an endless night is the Wall, and a handful of men in black called the Night's Watch. Their story will be [sic] heart of my third volume, The Winds of Winter. The final battle will also draw together characters and plot threads left from the first two books and resolve all in one huge climax.
The thirteen chapters on hand should give you a notion as to my narrative strategy. All three books will feature a complex mosaic of intercutting points-of-view among various of my large and diverse cast of players. The cast will not always remain the same. Old characters will die, and new ones will be introduced. Some of the fatalities will include sympathetic viewpoint characters. I want the reader to feel that no one is ever completely safe, not even the characters who seem to be the heroes. The suspense always ratchets up a notch when you know that any character can die at any time.
--
Five central characters will make it through all three volumes, however, growing from children to adults and changing the world and themselves in the process. In a sense, my trilogy is almost a generational saga, telling the life stories of these five characters, three men and two women. The five key players are Tyrion Lannister, Daenerys Targaryen, and three of the children of Winterfell, Arya, Bran, and the bastard Jon Snow. All of them are introduced at some length in the chapters you have to hand.
This is going to be (I hope) quite an epic. Epic in its scale, epic in its action, and epic in its length. I see all three volumes as big books, running about 700 to 800 manuscript pages, so things are just barely getting underway in the thirteen chapters I've sent you.
I have quite a clear notion of how the story is going to unfold in the first volume, A Game of Thrones. Things will get a lot worse for the poor Starks before they get better, I'm afraid. Lord Eddard Stark and his wife Catelyn Tully are both doomed, and will perish at the hands of their enemies. Ned will discover what happened to his friend Jon Arryn, [unclear] can act on his knowledge [unclear] will have an unfortunate accident, and the throne will [unclear] to [unclear] and brutal [unclear] Joffrey [unclear] still a minor. Joffrey will not be sympathetic and Ned [what appears to say] will be accused of treason, but before he is taken he will help his wife and his daughter Arya escape back to Winterfell.
Each of the contending families will learn it has a member of dubious loyalty in its midst. Sansa Stark, wed to Joffrey Baratheon, will bear him a son, the heir to the throne, and when the crunch comes she will choose her husband and child over her parents and siblings, a choice she will later bitterly rue. Tyrion Lannister, meanwhile, will befriend both Sansa and her sister Arya, while growing more and more disenchanted with his own family.
Young Bran will come out of his coma, after a strange prophetic dream, only to discover that he will never walk again. He will turn to magic, at first in the hope of restoring his legs, but later for its own sake. When his father Eddard Stark is executed, Bran will see the shape of doom descending on all of them, but nothing he can say will stop his brother Robb from calling the banners in rebellion. All the north will be inflamed by war. Robb will win several splendid victories, and maim Joffrey Baratheon on the battlefield, but in the end he will not be able to stand against Jaime and Tyrion Lannister and their allies. Robb Stark will die in battle, and Tyrion Lannister will besiege and burn Winterfell.
Jon Snow, the bastard, will remain in the far north. He will mature into a ranger of great daring, and ultimately will succeed his uncle as the commander of the Night's Watch. When Winterfell burns, Catelyn Stark will be forced to flee north with her son Bran and her daughter Arya. Wounded by Lannister riders, they will seek refuge at the Wall, but the men of the Night's Watch give up their families when they take the black, and Jon and Ben jen will not be able to help, to Jon's anguish. It will lead to a bitter estrangement between Jon and Bran. Arya will be more forgiving ... until she realizes, with terror, that she has fallen in love with Jon, who is not only her half-brother but a man of the Night's Watch, sworn to celibacy. Their passion will continue to torment Jon and Arya throughout the trilogy, until the secret of Jon's true parentage is finally revealed in the last book.
--
Abandoned by the Night's Watch, Catelyn and her children will find their only hope of safety lies even further north, beyond the Wall, where they fall into the hands of Mance Rayder, the King-beyond-the-Wall, and get a dreadful glimpse of the inhuman others as they attack the wilding encampment. Bran's magic, Arya's sword Needle, and the savagery of their direwolves will help them survive, but their mother Catelyn will die at the hands of the others.
Over across the narrow sea, Daenerys Targaryen will discover that her new husband, the Dothraki Khal Drogo, has little interest in invading the Seven Kingdoms, much to her brother's frustration. When Viserys presses his claims past the point of tact or wisdom, Khal Drogo will finally grow annoyed and kill him out of hand, eliminating the Targaryen pretender and leaving Daenerys as the last of her line. Danerys [sic] will bide her time, but she will not forget. When the moment is right, she will kill her husband to avenger her brother, and then flee with a trusted friend into the wilderness beyond Vaes Dothrak. There, hunted by [unclear] of her life, she stumbles on a [something about dragon eggs] a young dragon will give Daenerys [unclear] bend [unclear[ to her will. Then she begins to plan for her invasion of the Seven Kingdoms.
Tyrion Lannister will continue to travel, to plot, and to play the game of thrones, finally removing his nephew Joffrey in disgust at the boy king's brutality. Jaime Lannister will follow Joffrey on the throne of the Seven Kingdoms, by the simple expedient of killing everyone ahead of him in the line of succession and blaming his brother Tyrion for the murders. Exiled, Tyrion will change sides, making common cause with the surviving Starks to bring his brother down, and falling helplessly in love with Arya Stark while he's at it. His passion is, alas, unreciprocated, but no less intense for that, and it will lead to a deadly rivalry between Tyrion and Jon Snow.
The next graph is blocked out.
But that's the second book ...
I hope you will find some editors who are as excited about all of this as I am. Feel free to share this letter with anyone who wants to know how the story will go.
All best,
George R.R. Martin

 

Read more: http://www.crossmap....7#ixzz3QzBlm4D9

I'm going to give a spoiler warning even for Book readers here, because it gives glints and clues as to what might happen in future books.

 

Anyway I think it's very interesting to see how massively the books have changed. And to think Martin thought he could fit all that into one book...

[Seagloom]

I caught that the other day. Gave me a good chuckle. I am *so* glad this was not the story we got. Although I do wish his original three book plan remained intact. Would have been nice. Some of his original concepts were terribad. A perfect example of why you never go with a first draft for any serious work.

[MisterJB]

Why thank you, I'll just be over here desperately looking at every preview of Winds of Winter which has been shown thus far.

Do you have them? I can't seem to find them all.

I've read Arya's, Theon's, Arianne's and Victarion's.

[DrBlingzle]

Do you have them? I can't seem to find them all.

I've read Arya's, Theon's, Arianne's and Victarion's.

Actually I've only read Arya's, Theon's and Arianne's. Where did you read Victarion's?

 

Anyway I've heard there's a couple of chapters for Barriston and Tyrion, but I don't know where to get them.

[DrBlingzle]

I caught that the other day. Gave me a good chuckle. I am *so* glad this was not the story we got. Although I do wish his original three book plan remained intact. Would have been nice. Some of his original concepts were terribad. A perfect example of why you never go with a first draft for any serious work.

Yeah, the best writing advice I have ever been given was from my English Teacher: First drafts are always ****. Never be disheartened when you realise that your first draft is bad, it happens to everyone. 

 

Spoiler

Anyway it seems that Jon, Daenerys, Arya, Tyrion and Bran might be safe at least until the end as Martin named them the "Five central characters [that] will make it through all three volumes". Of course, with all that has changed from the draft it's likely that their ultimate fates have been changed as well. If Jon actually is dead after being Julius-Caesared (although I doubt it) then that will show me that Martin actually can kill anyone.   

[MisterJB]

Actually I've only read Arya's, Theon's and Arianne's. Where did you read Victarion's?

 

Anyway I've heard there's a couple of chapters for Barriston and Tyrion, but I don't know where to get them.

 

Now I'm sure whether I read or heard GRRM read it. I remember it was about Victarion approaching Meeren and selecting three men to blow the Horn. Each would blow it only once, hoping this will allow them to survive unlike Euron's slave.

 

I have heard the same.

[Han Shot First]

Okay I just heard a theory today:

Spoiler

Robert Strong (Gregor) stands for Cercei in her trial but the gravedigger (Sandor) stands for the faith. And they finally fight.

Of course this is assuming that Robert Strong is Gregor and that the Gravedigger theory is true and even then the faith would somehow have to seek him out, so all in all it seems unlikely but goddammit I just want to see those two fight to the death!

 

 

 

 

And for Sandor to win of course.

 

That would be epic. I now hope this plays out.

[Steelcan]

[DrBlingzle]

That would be epic. I now hope this plays out.

Spoiler

Knowing George RR Martin, It'll happen but Gregor will win.

[Captain Obvious]

She may not be AA but I believe she is. You believe otherwise and that's fine.

 

The decisions I was referring to are not only the ones she has made since aquiring her army. Her decision to adapt to Dothraki culture and suceed at their rituals like forcing herself to eat that horse heart and sleep with that pedophile brute instead of running away or something. Her decision to enter that sorcerer temple and then successfully defeat them instead of simply refusing their offer. Her decision to leave the first fertile land her men had found and travel to the city instead of staying put and possibly establishing her own little kingdom. Her decision to enact the ritual that woke her dragons. Her decision to put up with her insane brother as long as she did. It is entirely possible that had she made different decisions that she could have ended up dead or worse. Considering the position she was in when we are first introduced to her character i'd say that she's done pretty well for herself.

Her time in the Dothraki culture was pampering compared to what most people (never mind the fact that she's gifted with a loving husband) have to endure and ends up with her inviting a superstitious shithead, who's village just got wrecked by the Dothraki mind you, to save her "sun and stars." Her decision to enter the sorcerers' temple was aided by her dragons, which were handed to her on a silver platter. Her decision to not "stay put" isn't so revolutionary considering the immediate dangers she was facing at the time; I question her decision to repeatedly sack cities that were in peace with each other. Her commencement with the ritual again wouldn't have happened without the dragon eggs that were handed to her (and that was when her options were as limited as they were). Her insane brother? A means of survival. Yet, none of this changes the fact that she didn't have to go about sacking cities or carrying around that sense of paternalistic high-horse imperialism that has seen innocents killed in a place where her reign lacks legitimacy. Or her exasperating taste in men (well, Daario mostly). Or her surrounding herself with yes-men. Nevermind that her character is dull (I'm on another re-read of the books and her chapters? Just shoddy). Or not even engaging Westeros for 5 books now. Oh, there's more than a few things wrong with Daenerys.

 

Oh, and as for the original plot of A Song of Ice and Fire, that was terribad.

[Captain Obvious]

Oh, and hey, a release date for the Dunk and Egg collection:

 

http://www.westeros....n_Due_October_6

 

Just for those who are interested. 

[MisterJB]

Lol, Arya tormented by her passion for Jon and Tyrion competing with him for her affections after burning Winterfell.