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[jtav]

I came out of Arrivala with an absolute hatred of the Alliance. I want them gone, never to rise again. I will do everything in my powe to subvert and undermine them and see they take maximum casualties. I wonder to what extent this will be possible? We could roleplay against Cerberus, but in a very shallow way.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Wow you see I felt that way about Cerberus and look how much BW let me undermind TIM.

[Someone With Mass]

You do realize that if the Alliance goes, humanity goes too, right?

The Alliance isn't just a petty group of delusional terrorists like Cerberus.

[jtav]

You're assuming I think humanity in ME is worth saving. I'll be actively seeking out the "Earth gets destroyed" ending.

[Han Shot First]

Someone With Mass wrote...

You do realize that if the Alliance goes, humanity goes too, right?

The Alliance isn't just a petty group of delusional terrorists like Cerberus.

What he said.

Trying to subvert the Alliance is treason against your own species. They are the only human force capable of doing anything to stop the Reapers. They have a fleet, and a powerful one at that.

Choosing Cerberus over the Alliance also makes little sense in the big picture, even if you agree with their ideology. How many dreadnoughts or carriers does Cerberus field? The answer is none.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juin 2011 - 12:58 .

[Arcturus Shepard]

jtav wrote...

You're assuming I think humanity in ME is worth saving. I'll be actively seeking out the "Earth gets destroyed" ending.

You hate the Alliance and now humanity which must mean you hate Cerberus...so who do you like? The "ah yes, reapers" council? The Batarians? Nobody at all? 

[The Unfallen]

I wouldn't be surprised to see BioWare include a 'destroy/reshape/replace tyrannic government' scenario with all of the anti-NWO themes explored in ME and ME 2.

[Waltzingbear]

Ah yes, 'sexing the exotic blue babes, and blowing up all the old sons of Abe' is the name of the game, eh?

I find it hard to believe that Shepard could possibly hate the Alliance considering his history with them. Feeling a grudge for them is acceptable with the ME2 events and all, but I think that, unlike Dragon Age for example where you have a vast freedom of creating a character, you're not really entitled to have such an opinion (as Shepard).


Nah I'm just jesting here. I think. I'm not sure.

Modifié par Waltzingbear, 28 juin 2011 - 12:43 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The Alliance is just a government. It can be abolished. It can be reshaped. It can be replaced.

With what?

If the Alliance falls, all the human colonies will be unprotected and the Reapers will roam through Alliance space unchallenged. I really doubt that Cerberus can protect all those worlds on their own. 

[jtav]

Arcturus Shepard wrote...

jtav wrote...

You're assuming I think humanity in ME is worth saving. I'll be actively seeking out the "Earth gets destroyed" ending.

You hate the Alliance and now humanity which must mean you hate Cerberus...so who do you like? The "ah yes, reapers" council? The Batarians? Nobody at all? 

The geth and salarians, but it's closer to nobody. I'm fond of individuals, and I'm saving the galaxy for their sake, but I don't get the sense that any of the organizations are worth saving.

[procyon8]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

You do realize that if the Alliance goes, humanity goes too, right?

The Alliance isn't just a petty group of delusional terrorists like Cerberus.

The Alliance is just a government. It can be abolished. It can be reshaped. It can be replaced.

This. And I'm with the OP, they're just a wolf in sheep's clothing. If there's ever a point in the game where I can conveniently re-route the Alliance fleet right into the middle of the Reaper comic-con, I'd be happy to do so. Heh heh heh. 

[FluffyScarf]

As if the other animals are worth saving. Blue tentacled freaks. Lizard-human hybrids. Turtle-bat-dinosaur monsters. Sloths-on-steroids. Yeah, we really need to save those genetic monster.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

With what?

A new government.

I don't think it'll be that easy when this is happening at the same time.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 28 juin 2011 - 12:56 .

[Adanu]

jtav wrote...

Arcturus Shepard wrote...

jtav wrote...

You're assuming I think humanity in ME is worth saving. I'll be actively seeking out the "Earth gets destroyed" ending.

You hate the Alliance and now humanity which must mean you hate Cerberus...so who do you like? The "ah yes, reapers" council? The Batarians? Nobody at all? 

The geth and salarians, but it's closer to nobody. I'm fond of individuals, and I'm saving the galaxy for their sake, but I don't get the sense that any of the organizations are worth saving.

Whether you like them or not, you need those organizations to have any chance of fighting the reapers. Holding petty grudges enough to blow up whole planets is childish and stupid.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The Alliance is weaker than ever. Out with the old, in with the new.

Ah, yes, because new governments can be established on all the colonies, Earth and all the space stations overnight and without any sort of struggle to maintain that government or keeping it from collapsing as well.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 28 juin 2011 - 12:59 .

[Arcturus Shepard]

jtav wrote...

Arcturus Shepard wrote...

jtav wrote...

You're assuming I think humanity in ME is worth saving. I'll be actively seeking out the "Earth gets destroyed" ending.

You hate the Alliance and now humanity which must mean you hate Cerberus...so who do you like? The "ah yes, reapers" council? The Batarians? Nobody at all? 

The geth and salarians, but it's closer to nobody. I'm fond of individuals, and I'm saving the galaxy for their sake, but I don't get the sense that any of the organizations are worth saving.

Yeah but without some sort of organization left over the remnants of the galaxy would tear themselves apart. As history has shown even the most tyrannical or incompetant government is better than anarchy.

[VegasVance]

jtav wrote...

You're assuming I think humanity in ME is worth saving. I'll be actively seeking out the "Earth gets destroyed" ending.

Someone has the hots of Balak. 

[SandTrout]

If you seek to cause maximum human casualties and destruction of our species during a war in which the survival of every sapient being is at stake you are a traitor and should be hung.

If you dislike the Alliance to the point of treason because they put you on trial for the destruction of a star system and an irreplaceable part of the Mass Relay network, you're a blind fool.

If you think that undermining the Alliance during the Galactic War is a good idea, you're an idiot.

Now, if you think that once the Reapers have been eliminated, it would be a prime opportunity to replace the corrupt governments with ones more amenable to your values, you may have something to go on.

I wonder, though, about what your actual values are if you fall under any of the first 3 categories. Also, the existing governments seems about on par, corruption-wise, as the most just and successful nations that have existed in our history, so I don't see how you think that removing them would be an improvement. The Alliance does, at least nominally, operate under a democratic republic structure. We also have little sign that the Alliance is an inherently corrupt or tyrannical system.

People who think that Humanity doesn't deserve to survive the war should take a really close look at their morals and values, because if you really believe in them, you should have killed yourself by now (not an endorsement of suicide, only a logical extension of the results of the philosophy), and since you're alive to type here, you obviously don't fully understand the implications of your philosophy.

[AquamanOS]

You know, I can understand hating the Council, but what exactly did the Alliance do wrong, outside of not publicly talking about the Reapers, like Shepard wants, and not worshipping the ground Shepard walks on?

As Arrival showed, they are aware of the Reapers, and are quietly working behind the scenes with stuff like Kenson's team, and sliently encouraging fleet build up, and Hackett even says they were engaging a few Collectors and stopping some abductions if you do Arrival before the SM is finished.

[Skirata129]

a government failing does not neccesarily mean the infrastructure fails. if the alliance government topples, all ships, personnel and support and supply systems could be in place. they'd just be led on another guy on a horse that's a slightly different shade of white.

[Raiil]

I dislike the Alliance for the same reason I dislike the Council; I don't like politics or politicians.

I won't actively look to subvert the Alliance. I'm also not going out of my way to help them, anymore than I will for any other ally. Humanity doesn't get a pass from my Shep just because we're all the same race.


As jtav said: I'm fond of individuals, and I'm saving the galaxy for their sake, but I don't get the sense that any of the organizations are worth saving.

I do hate Cerberus, and I will do everything in my power to send them flying into a black hole


. I sense that rping against the Alliance is more 'not helping them come out on top of the heap'. If it ends up I have to put one above all, my first thought will be the salarians or the council; I respect the salarian model, their council member tends to be less of a douche, and while the council itself annoys me, it's better than, in my opinion, humanity ruling the stage.