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[HTTP 404]

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

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Modifié par HTTP 404, 28 juin 2011 - 05:07 .

[goofyomnivore]

HTTP 404 wrote...

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

I'm thinking jtav was more along the lines of, winning the war at the Alliance's expense. Kind of like how others would sacrifice an alien government to save the galaxy, before humanity. Jtav to me is just saying, the Alliance/humanity is at the top of the chopping block. I don't see how that makes someone a badguy. I could be wrong though. Saving the galaxy is saving the galaxy, i thought anyways.

Modifié par strive, 28 juin 2011 - 05:15 .

[TheMarshal]

HTTP 404 wrote...

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

That's pretty specious reasoning.  If I don't like the President of my country, that suddenly means I hate my country?

[Han Shot First]

strive wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

I'm thinking jtav was more along the lines of, winning the war at the Alliance's expense. Kind of like how others would sacrifice an alien government to save the galaxy, before humanity. Jtav to me is just saying, the Alliance/humanity is at the top of the chopping block. I don't see how that makes someone a badguy. I could be wrong though. Saving the galaxy is saving the galaxy, i thought anyways.

That might make sense if the protagonist could be any species, and your character was a Turian or a Batarian.

But I think it makes little sense for a human to want his own species to get hammered by the Reapers.

[HTTP 404]

TheMarshal wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

That's pretty specious reasoning.  If I don't like the President of my country, that suddenly means I hate my country?

the president is just one person.  The alliance is an organization that draws resources, personnel from every day human population. 

I probably should apologize for being heated.  I am a bit biased, I only thought of my brother who serves in the military and in Iraq which is akin to the alliance in mass effect.  Kinda was overprotective of alliance and military in general...

[jtav]

strive, that's exactly what I meant. If I have my way, the Alliance gets sacrificed first.

[HTTP 404]

strive wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

I'm thinking jtav was more along the lines of, winning the war at the Alliance's expense. Kind of like how others would sacrifice an alien government to save the galaxy, before humanity. Jtav to me is just saying, the Alliance/humanity is at the top of the chopping block. I don't see how that makes someone a badguy. I could be wrong though. Saving the galaxy is saving the galaxy, i thought anyways.

well it would make him a bad guy against humanity.

[goofyomnivore]

Han Shot First wrote...
That might make sense if the protagonist could be any species, and your character was a Turian or a Batarian.

But I think it makes little sense for a human to want his own species to get hammered by the Reapers.

So if you had a for sure 100% rout of the Reapers, but it required crippling the Alliance, you wouldn't do it?

[mauro2222]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I came out of Arrivala with an absolute hatred of the Alliance. I want them gone, never to rise again. I will do everything in my powe to subvert and undermine them and see they take maximum casualties. I wonder to what extent this will be possible? We could roleplay against Cerberus, but in a very shallow way.

You're a fool. You'll damn our entire race and the entire galaxy to the Reapers! I'm not upset about the trial, it's probably just a show to keep the Batarians at bay. They won't execute Shep.

Also, about overthrowing the Alliance... you think all of the colonies will fall in line? If the Alliance falls, **** hits the fan. I can understand reforming it (that's why we have elections), but overthrowing the Alliance is not a smart decision.

The only purpose of elections is to incite the people to think that they have "participation" in politics and that they live in democracy.

[In Exile]

TheMarshal wrote...
That's pretty specious reasoning.  If I don't like the President of my country, that suddenly means I hate my country?

The OP isn't objecting to a leader; he's objecting to the society. So the actual argument would be, if you hate your country and want to undermine it, well...unfortunate implications.

[jlb524]

Han Shot First wrote...

That might make sense if the protagonist could be any species, and your character was a Turian or a Batarian.

But I think it makes little sense for a human to want his own species to get hammered by the Reapers.

Depends on Shepard's background and how you RP.

My Earthborn doesn't have much love for humanity in general.

[HTTP 404]

strive wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
That might make sense if the protagonist could be any species, and your character was a Turian or a Batarian.

But I think it makes little sense for a human to want his own species to get hammered by the Reapers.

So if you had a for sure 100% rout of the Reapers, but it required crippling the Alliance, you wouldn't do it?

wanting and needing are entirely different things.  To save the galaxy, absolutely.  But OP wants alliance to fail.  We are arguing motives here, not choices.

[mauro2222]

He doesn't want to see humanity at brink of extinction, he wants to remove the alliance as goverment entity.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 juin 2011 - 05:30 .

[HTTP 404]

mauro2222 wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

strive wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
That might make sense if the protagonist could be any species, and your character was a Turian or a Batarian.

But I think it makes little sense for a human to want his own species to get hammered by the Reapers.

So if you had a for sure 100% rout of the Reapers, but it required crippling the Alliance, you wouldn't do it?

wanting and needing are entirely different things.  To save the galaxy, absolutely.  But OP wants alliance to fail.  We are arguing motives here, not choices.

He doesn't want to see humanity at brink of extinction, he wants to remove the alliance as goverment entity.

thats exactly my point:  the motive of OP is to remove the alliance.

[mauro2222]

yep I was supporting that xD, mmm what the hell happened to the quote xD

[The Elder King]

I higly doubt that we'll be able to role play against the Alliance. Probably we can achieve an ending when Earth is lost, but I doubt that we'll do something actively against the Alliance.
They did the same in ME2 with Cerberus (preventing me to play the Survivor military background, since I really can't play a Shepard that somehow cooperate with Cerberus, when Cerberus tried to kill him, and killed many of his companions),

[mauro2222]

hhh89 wrote...

I higly doubt that we'll be able to role play against the Alliance. Probably we can achieve an ending when Earth is lost, but I doubt that we'll do something actively against the Alliance.
They did the same in ME2 with Cerberus (preventing me to play the Survivor military background, since I really can't play a Shepard that somehow cooperate with Cerberus, when Cerberus tried to kill him, and killed many of his companions),

Jaja yeah I hated that, when I always wanted to insult or shut up TIM, all that came out of shepard's mouth was "I LOVE YOU ILLUSIVE MAN, now please tell me, what do you want me to do next?", come on!!! The only good one is "I'm recieving a lot of bull**** through this line".

[jwalker]

jtav wrote...

strive, that's exactly what I meant. If I have my way, the Alliance gets sacrificed first.

who or what gets sacrified, exactly ? the few people who made the kind of decisions that got you mad in arrival or you're going for the big numbers ?

[mauro2222]

HTTP 404 wrote...

The alliance is representative of human society. So if you want the alliance gone, you want human society gone right? and probably with the humans. What OP is asking, is if we can role play a bad guy....we don't play a bad guy, we are the good guys despite renegade/paragon choices.

So if I want to kill the pope, I want to kill every christian.

[TheMarshal]

In Exile wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
That's pretty specious reasoning.  If I don't like the President of my country, that suddenly means I hate my country?

The OP isn't objecting to a leader; he's objecting to the society. So the actual argument would be, if you hate your country and want to undermine it, well...unfortunate implications.

The Alliance is a government under which societies live and operate.  So the actual argument would be if you hate your government and want to undermine it, etc. etc.

[jlb524]

The ME3 tagline is 'Take back the Earth' right?

So, I would guess we will be railroaded into thinking the Alliance is awesome and saving the Earth no matter what, perhaps getting a choice on which other system to sacrifice in order to save Earth.

[marshalleck]

jlb524 wrote...
perhaps getting a choice on which other system to sacrifice in order to save Earth.

Hopefully Thessia.

[goofyomnivore]

HTTP 404 wrote...

wanting and needing are entirely different things.  To save the galaxy,
absolutely.  But OP wants alliance to fail.  We are arguing motives
here, not choices.

The question was more directed at what he said, rather than the thread it's self.

Jtav is asking for the option to roleplay against the Alliance. For example if you had to send a fleet to "stall" the Reapers while you activated something at the Citadel, and you could choose Turian, Quarian, or Alliance -- jtav would pick Alliance, and they would probably get decimated. Or if Kasumi's Greybox turns into a big "Alliance Derp" jtav would probably expose that to the other species.

But as others have said we will probably be railroaded into the Alliance is awesome and as few casualities as possible for humanity.

Modifié par strive, 28 juin 2011 - 05:52 .

[Legbiter]

Why the emo? The Arrival mission was Operation Good Start for my Shep.