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[jt_boi]

Bocks wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Bocks wrote...
I don't think Garrus should be telling me he loves me.

Okay...I don't want that either but I don't start threads about it.

I just..don't initiate the Garrus romance with my FemShep...simples.

Yeah, you have it easy with the Garrus romance. But have you ever tried playing Manshep? Tali comes on to you without you deciding anything, and you are forced into a position of either rejecting her or accepting her. This was a terrible way to handle her romance. The player should have been the one to initiate the content as Tali showed no indication of interest in ME1, and players who didn't like her wouldn't have had to make the decision of choosing if they wanted to be with her or not.

I agree with your statements re: the Tali romance.  I didn't think that was very well thought out at all, and I tunred her down flat.  However, that is the only romance (that I can recall off the top of my head) that is like that.  I am hoping that BW would not do that in ME3, if just b/c that was so poorly written, and quite honestly, lazy. 

[AngelicMachinery]

Bocks wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Bocks wrote...
I don't think Garrus should be telling me he loves me.

Okay...I don't want that either but I don't start threads about it.

I just..don't initiate the Garrus romance with my FemShep...simples.

Yeah, you have it easy with the Garrus romance. But have you ever tried playing Manshep? Tali comes on to you without you deciding anything, and you are forced into a position of either rejecting her or accepting her. This was a terrible way to handle her romance. The player should have been the one to initiate the content as Tali showed no indication of interest in ME1, and players who didn't like her wouldn't have had to make the decision of choosing if they wanted to be with her or not.

Have you tried playing a femmeshep?  It's like she salivates over every bulge on the ship in ME2.  Personally I'd rather be forced through awkward flirting than the game assuming every female Shepard created wants a ride with the prize or to lick a halucinagenic toad.  At least it wasn't as obvious with Garrus.

[adneate]

I want to understand this thread so join me in the chamber of understanding.



This may take awhile though.

[Rinji the Bearded]

[quote]Mr.House wrote...

[quote]octoberfire wrote...
This. If I don't want to romance someone, I don't flirt with them, even the "dreaded" Anders I was able to not have any romance with him.  Does the dialog wheel need a rainbow icon for S/S triggers?
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I propose the wheel to blast out music from the Village People whenever your mouse hovers over a s/s choice.

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Or the screen starts flashing with rave lights and music.

[Mr.House]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Bocks wrote...
Yeah, you have it easy with the Garrus romance. But have you ever tried playing Manshep? Tali comes on to you without you deciding anything, and you are forced into a position of either rejecting her or accepting her. This was a terrible way to handle her romance. The player should have been the one to initiate the content as Tali showed no indication of interest in ME1, and players who didn't like her wouldn't have had to make the decision of choosing if they wanted to be with her or not.

No...I just have to listen to my flaming gay FemShep flirt with Jacob every damn time she speaks with him.

I'd take dudes hitting on her over that any day...cuz she can just turn them down.

That was just bad writing.

That's a poor excuse for a glarring flaw, also it had nothing to do with the writting, it had to do with Hale deciding to sound like she was in heat.

[Bocks]

jt_boi wrote...

Bocks wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

EDI?!

You're on to me.

*mind exlodes*

P.S. My FemShep says to tell you to stop spying on her in the shower.

Can you stop? Seriously. I'm trying to have some actual discussion here. If you want to talk about ponies or roleplay, go do it in the appropriate forum. Don't spam my thread just because I don't think Garrus should be telling me he loves me.

So I'm a little late to the party, but this is what I don't get.  (Forgive me if this point has already been made.) All the relationships are optional, right?  So what's the big deal?  I'm a lesbian, and when I play my FemShep and the Garrus (or Thane, etc) romance dialogue pops up, I'm all "ew, omg, gross" and I don't select it.  One of the things I love about ME2 is that you're not compelled to choose any one thing.  You're not penalized if you don't pursue a relationship.  I just don't see how additional relationship options will affect your experience.  

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content. If it's a new character and his personality allows him to be brave enough to come onto Shepard, then that's absolutely FINE. However, for long-term characters like Garrus, some people just don't want to see gay content related to him in any way shape or form. hence, it should be Shepard to initiate the relationship.

The point comes down to this: If there's an option for Shepard to be gay, that's fine by me. But I do NOT want to see gay content in my playthrough of ME3 at all. I do NOT want to see Garrus coming onto me. I'd be fine with James or someone new doing it, but not somebody that has been on the team already. Otherwise, Shepard would have to initiate the romance.

[Mr.House]

Bocks wrote...

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content. If it's a new character and his personality allows him to be brave enough to come onto Shepard, then that's absolutely FINE. However, for long-term characters like Garrus, some people just don't want to see gay content related to him in any way shape or form. hence, it should be Shepard to initiate the relationship.

The point comes down to this: If there's an option for Shepard to be gay, that's fine by me. But I do NOT want to see gay content in my playthrough of ME3 at all. I do NOT want to see Garrus coming onto me. I'd be fine with James or someone new doing it, but not somebody that has been on the team already. Otherwise, Shepard would have to initiate the romance.

Yes because if Garrus is bi he's going to come on to you and want to have sex with you <_<

[AngelicMachinery]

Seriously though, why the heck is it always Garrus? I must be missing something.

He's also probably one of the least likely characters to be bi simply because more than likely it's going to be a human... unless we get a masculine Asari somehow.

[Bocks]

Estelindis wrote...

While I agree with Bocks in thinking that it would be good to add a new character designed with a same-sex romance as part of his character (possibly James Vega), I disagree with the assertion that this character shouldn't come on to Shepard.  FemShep was able to deal with Liara's romantic enquiries even if she didn't reciprocate them; the same should be true of ManShep and Maybe-James.  I honestly think that if Shepard can't find it in himself to turn down a person who suffers from unrequited love in a gracious and sensitive fashion then it reflects badly on Shepard.  Frankly, while Shepard is not perfect, this is not a character flaw that I would ever like to see in him.  It would take away from his character, not add to it.

The problem is hurting how other fans of the series view the characters. Some don't want to see Garrus ask ManShep out for a romantic night in the Captain's Quarters. If it were the other way around, then it would be fine, as heterosexual players would never have to choose that option and hence they would never see the content.

Both Homosexuals and Heterosexuals would be happy!

[shepskisaac]

Bocks wrote...
The character of Garrus or Kaidan or Jacob or whoever has already been pretty much solidified at this point in the Mass Effect series. Suddenly having them come onto you would be strange. Why wouldn't they have expressed these feelings beforehand?

With Kaidan it's very simple why he didn't tell anything to Shepard. He thinks Shepoard is straight. It's already part of the story. He admits to FemShep that he didn't realize she wasn't straight (triangle scene with FemShep/Kaidan/Liara) and he also makes it clear he wouldn't bother flirting/pursuing FemShep in the first place had he knew that. He assumes the same thing about ManShep since they're the same character and it's confirmed when he says to Shepard that he thinks Shep would've liked Rahna. With the obvious gender difference between ManShep and FemShep, it's only FemShep that he thinks he has a chance with since a straight woman likes men. Straight ManShep (in his assumption) doesn't like men, thus Kaidan won't pursue him. The explanation is already there in the very first game of the franchise - ME1.

Not only it's pure logic, but goes along with Kaidan's character. He's a person who doesn't like to force himself on anybody. He repeats several times during flirting with FemShep that if FemShep thinks he's out of line, she should just say one word and he will stop. If FemShep turns him down, he apologizes and says he won't repeat (flirting) again/he misread her intentions etc and he never goes back to flirting, even though we obviously know he still likes FemShep (it's not like people erase their crush on someone immediately after being turned down). So since he thinks ManShep is straight, it would not only be logical he wouldn't force himself onto him but also go very well with Kaidan's character, personality, culture and the way he approaches people.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 juin 2011 - 02:30 .

[jt_boi]

Bocks wrote...

jt_boi wrote...

Bocks wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

EDI?!

You're on to me.

*mind exlodes*

P.S. My FemShep says to tell you to stop spying on her in the shower.

Can you stop? Seriously. I'm trying to have some actual discussion here. If you want to talk about ponies or roleplay, go do it in the appropriate forum. Don't spam my thread just because I don't think Garrus should be telling me he loves me.

So I'm a little late to the party, but this is what I don't get.  (Forgive me if this point has already been made.) All the relationships are optional, right?  So what's the big deal?  I'm a lesbian, and when I play my FemShep and the Garrus (or Thane, etc) romance dialogue pops up, I'm all "ew, omg, gross" and I don't select it.  One of the things I love about ME2 is that you're not compelled to choose any one thing.  You're not penalized if you don't pursue a relationship.  I just don't see how additional relationship options will affect your experience.  

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content. If it's a new character and his personality allows him to be brave enough to come onto Shepard, then that's absolutely FINE. However, for long-term characters like Garrus, some people just don't want to see gay content related to him in any way shape or form. hence, it should be Shepard to initiate the relationship.

The point comes down to this: If there's an option for Shepard to be gay, that's fine by me. But I do NOT want to see gay content in my playthrough of ME3 at all. I do NOT want to see Garrus coming onto me. I'd be fine with James or someone new doing it, but not somebody that has been on the team already. Otherwise, Shepard would have to initiate the romance.

I see your point, but it still makes me leery, only b/c I'm kind of scared of people so vehemently against gay content.  

However, as a player, I don't really want to be come on to by any character, male or female.  I want to have total control over what LI to pursue.  I think that's what turned me off the Tali romance: she was practically drooling over my Shep and I was never enamored with her character in the first place. 

[Siansonea]

Bocks wrote...
*snip*

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content. If it's a new character and his personality allows him to be brave enough to come onto Shepard, then that's absolutely FINE. However, for long-term characters like Garrus, some people just don't want to see gay content related to him in any way shape or form. hence, it should be Shepard to initiate the relationship.

The point comes down to this: If there's an option for Shepard to be gay, that's fine by me. But I do NOT want to see gay content in my playthrough of ME3 at all. I do NOT want to see Garrus coming onto me. I'd be fine with James or someone new doing it, but not somebody that has been on the team already. Otherwise, Shepard would have to initiate the romance.

So, your gaming experience is going to be RUINED by having a [FLIRT] option hanging out on Shepard's dialog wheel—even if you never select it? I can't believe Garrus' xenoheterosexuality means that much to you, but hey, I suppose some people are just as worried about things like maintaining the artistic integrity of Kaidan's hairbump, making sure Tali's hip measurements aren't affected by any suit upgrades, or other such crucial things. Dude, really, you're THAT worried that a fictional character might have some optional lines and scenes that you won't want to pursue and can therefore EASILY avoid? You make it sound like BioWare has announced that in the opening scene of ME3, MaleShep is going to be the meat in a Garrus/Kaidan sandwich—regardless of previous game saves.

My teacup has a tempest in it, does anyone else's?

[Zebron is reaL]

Yeah seriously, stop being weird about Garrus

It's highly unlikely that he would come onto maleshep considering he isn't attracted to humans. Even if he was straight up gay, it'd be for male turians. Which Shepard is not.

Also, according to George Takei, the new word for gay is takei. Just for future reference

[jt_boi]

It's okay to be takei.

[Siansonea]

Great. Now I have to develop Takeidar. *sighs*

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Siansonea II wrote...
xenoheterosexuality

Worth +1903 points in Scrabble or Word Wif Friends.

Dude, really, you're THAT worried that a fictional character might have some optional lines and scenes that you won't want to pursue and can therefore EASILY avoid?

This.  And yet he still doesn't get why we're laughing at his original point.

[Bocks]

Mr.House wrote...

Bocks wrote...

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content. If it's a new character and his personality allows him to be brave enough to come onto Shepard, then that's absolutely FINE. However, for long-term characters like Garrus, some people just don't want to see gay content related to him in any way shape or form. hence, it should be Shepard to initiate the relationship.

The point comes down to this: If there's an option for Shepard to be gay, that's fine by me. But I do NOT want to see gay content in my playthrough of ME3 at all. I do NOT want to see Garrus coming onto me. I'd be fine with James or someone new doing it, but not somebody that has been on the team already. Otherwise, Shepard would have to initiate the romance.

Yes because if Garrus is bi he's going to come on to you and want to have sex with you <_<

Ugh. I'm tired of arguing the same thing over and over again.

Let me put it this way:

Jim Shepard and Garrus Vakarian are bros. James Shepard and Garrus Vakarian are also bros. Jim Shepard's player is fine with that and would like that to remain how it is. James Shepard's player is also fine with it but would be fine with a gay relationship as well. Now Imagine if Garrus suddenly asks Shepard if he would be interested in a gay relationship with him. Jim Shepard's player may feel upset over this, but James Shepard's player may like this. Ultimately, the question comes down to: How can we make both James Shepard and Jim Shepard's players happy?

Simple! Instead of having Garrus come onto the player, have the player come onto Garrus. That gives the player the choice. That makes people decide wether or not they want to pursue a gay romance with Garrus.

Now if the same thing happened with James, it would be a different situation because his character is still not clear to us, and his homosexuality would become part of his personality. However, we are in the THIRD game with Garrus. Most players see him as a bro, not as a gay romance.

Bioware have hurt characters before. I just hope they realise how not to do it anymore.

[Jaldaric]

Mayday, mayday! Abandon thread!

Modifié par Jaldaric, 28 juin 2011 - 02:38 .

[PrinceLionheart]

I actually agree with OP, at least to a degree. I was looking forward to Tali's romance for ME2 but then what I got was really dissapointing because the final product felt more like pandering to the "Talimancers" than actually being fleshed out.

[bleetman]

Bocks wrote...

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content.

Sure we can. Given that these folks can't be sated by anything less than the complete removal of any eventual s/s romances that get added, I've no personal interest in attempting any middle ground with them. There isn't any to be had. All they need do under the circumstances is, y'know, not click that flirty option with a man. If that alone is too much to cope with, well, tough.

Bocks wrote...

Ultimately, the question comes down to: How can we make both James Shepard and Jim Shepard's players happy?

Simple! Instead of having Garrus come onto the player, have the player come onto Garrus.

Which is exactly what Bioware have said they're going to do. Marvelous.

Modifié par bleetman, 28 juin 2011 - 02:37 .