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[Sunnie]

Bocks wrote...

The problem is hurting how other fans of the series view the characters. Some don't want to see Garrus ask ManShep out for a romantic night in the Captain's Quarters. If it were the other way around, then it would be fine, as heterosexual players would never have to choose that option and hence they would never see the content.

Both Homosexuals and Heterosexuals would be happy!

Do you REALLY think that BioWare is going to force you or anyone else into content (aka: romances) that you don;t want to experoience? Really? 
If you or others don't want to see it, DON'T CHOOSE THE OPTION TO DO IT! Its as simple as that. Don't want to see it on Youtube, DONT WATCH IT!, simple as that. Anything else you want to fail at today?

[Medhia Nox]

Tali and Liara have already been pushed on my Shepard... I had to replay ME 1 because that bimbo Liara ninjamanced me simply because I was trying to be nice.

I can understand your irritation OP, but forgive me for not being sympathetic to your cause when I have to not talk to the female characters on my team because not a single one of them is capable of having a friendship with Shepard. (except Samara, whom I love as a character)

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 28 juin 2011 - 02:36 .

[Bocks]

Siansonea II wrote...

So, your gaming experience is going to be RUINED by having a [FLIRT] option hanging out on Shepard's dialog wheel—even if you never select it?

I never said this. I said the opposite. In fact, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.

As long as Garrus never, EVER comes onto Shepard. Or any other character we've established so far. Shepard has to be the one to initiate the romance.

[Maugrim]

jt_boi wrote...

It's okay to be takei.

ETA: That was bigger than I thought it would be... *queue that what she said jokes*

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 28 juin 2011 - 02:38 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Bocks wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

So, your gaming experience is going to be RUINED by having a [FLIRT] option hanging out on Shepard's dialog wheel—even if you never select it?

I never said this. I said the opposite. In fact, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.

As long as Garrus never, EVER comes onto Shepard. Or any other character we've established so far. Shepard has to be the one to initiate the romance.

Face it:  Canon Shepard is gay.

[AngelicMachinery]

Garrus must be an extremely charming individual... I feel like I've missed so much. I need to understand the essence of brodom.

[Siansonea]

Bocks wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

So, your gaming experience is going to be RUINED by having a [FLIRT] option hanging out on Shepard's dialog wheel—even if you never select it?

I never said this. I said the opposite. In fact, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.

As long as Garrus never, EVER comes onto Shepard. Or any other character we've established so far. Shepard has to be the one to initiate the romance.

Well, then don't worry your pretty little head about it. I sincerely doubt that Garrus is going to go all Austin Powers on ManShep all of a sudden. That would not be groovy, baby, and I think that's something we can ALL agree on.

[Bocks]

bleetman wrote...

Which is exactly what Bioware have said they're going to do. Marvelous.

Correction: It's what we hope Bioware will do.

And so help me god if they don't I will write angry letters.

That's it for me tonight folks. Good night.

[Siansonea]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Garrus must be an extremely charming individual... I feel like I've missed so much. I need to understand the essence of brodom.

I'd like to tell you all about what you've missed, but can it wait a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 28 juin 2011 - 02:39 .

[Siansonea]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Bocks wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

So, your gaming experience is going to be RUINED by having a [FLIRT] option hanging out on Shepard's dialog wheel—even if you never select it?

I never said this. I said the opposite. In fact, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.

As long as Garrus never, EVER comes onto Shepard. Or any other character we've established so far. Shepard has to be the one to initiate the romance.

Face it:  Canon Shepard is gay.

No, Shepard's cannon is gay.

[Maugrim]

Siansonea II wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Garrus must be an extremely charming individual... I feel like I've missed so much. I need to understand the essence of brodom.

I'd like to tell you all about what you've missed, but can it wait a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

Here's that summary comic I showed ya earlier.

[bleetman]

Bocks wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Which is exactly what Bioware have said they're going to do. Marvelous.

Correction: It's what we hope Bioware will do.

Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to
how you interact w/them in-game

Modifié par bleetman, 28 juin 2011 - 02:41 .

[Estelindis]

Bocks wrote...

The problem is hurting how other fans of the series view the characters. Some don't want to see Garrus ask ManShep out for a romantic night in the Captain's Quarters. If it were the other way around, then it would be fine, as heterosexual players would never have to choose that option and hence they would never see the content.

Both Homosexuals and Heterosexuals would be happy!

Bocks, I didn't mention Garrus at all in the post you quoted.  I spoke solely about a possible new character for ME3, who would be designed as a same-sex love interest from the beginning.  In terms of just that character, why not have them try to initiate a romance?  It's no more intrusive than the various LIs of opposite sex flirting with a Shepard that the player is roleplaying as not interested in the opposite sex.

If we must talk about Garrus, though, I think he's actually the least likely to start flirting with a Shepard of either gender.  Having played female Shepard, I found his romance entirely avoidable (which was good, as I wanted to avoid it and remain faithful to Kaidan).  If I wanted to take things further, it was entirely my choice to try and flirt with him.  I expect that would hold true of any possible future romance between Garrus and male Shepard: it would be invisible to those not interested in it.  Now, some other previously-established characters might take it upon themselves to flirt.  Would you object to it as strongly as you would in the case of Garrus?

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 juin 2011 - 02:47 .

[Siansonea]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Can there ever be a mature, civil discussion on this subject? I would like for there to be one.

At the risk of casting pearls before swine, why don't you enlighten the rest of us with your wisdom on the subject, in a mature, civil way, and lead by example? I may have missed previous attempts at this, I have not read this thread in its entirety, but by all means repost any nuggets of wisdom you've put forward that have been lost in the kerfuffle so far.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 28 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[Terror330]

What if ME put in a gift system? Instead of using it for approval like in DA it could be used to initiate a romance. That way characters will not flirt with Shepard unless they are given a gift. That way it eliminates any need for a heart icon and it will prevent people from being uncomfortably flirted with when they aren't interested. It wouldn't solve everything, but its a start.

[Eternal Dust]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Can there ever be a mature, civil discussion on this subject? I would like for there to be one.

That went out the window when people started freaking out about optional content.

[jt_boi]

makenzieshepard wrote...



ETA: That was bigger than I thought it would be... *queue that what she said jokes*

I think I need this shirt. 

[shepskisaac]

bleetman wrote...

Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to
how you interact w/them in-game

Don't you know people don't care for confirmations from BW?

[AngelicMachinery]

Siansonea II wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Garrus must be an extremely charming individual... I feel like I've missed so much. I need to understand the essence of brodom.

I'd like to tell you all about what you've missed, but can it wait a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

The fact I read it in his voice is terrifying.

[Mr.House]

octoberfire wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Can there ever be a mature, civil discussion on this subject? I would like for there to be one.

That went out the window when people started freaking out about optional content.

Nah some how the optional content forces people to do it.

[VirtualStranger]

Bocks wrote...

The problem is that some people DONT WANT to see gay content in any way, shape or form. They don't want Garrus to come onto them, because by now most people who play ManShep see Garrus as Shepard's bro. You can't make them unhappy just to please a part of the fanbase that wants to see the gay content. If it's a new character and his personality allows him to be brave enough to come onto Shepard, then that's absolutely FINE. However, for long-term characters like Garrus, some people just don't want to see gay content related to him in any way shape or form. hence, it should be Shepard to initiate the relationship.

The point comes down to this: If there's an option for Shepard to be gay, that's fine by me. But I do NOT want to see gay content in my playthrough of ME3 at all. I do NOT want to see Garrus coming onto me. I'd be fine with James or someone new doing it, but not somebody that has been on the team already. Otherwise, Shepard would have to initiate the romance.

The main problem is that opponents of s/s romances for existing characters,and the rest of the game in general, is the obvious double standards.

You say that old characters becoming bisexual LI will somehow irrevocably change into something they weren't before, yet you seem to ignore that real people do this all the time.

Tell me, what's the difference between someone becoming a bi LI, and automatically cooling heat sinks becoming disposable heatsinks that need to be swapped out?

You claim to not want to ever be forced to see gay content if you dont want to, but you fail to see how it is for gay players to be forced to see straight content that they don't want to. (which they already are, all the time, everywhere they go) Why you don't wan't to see it, I have no Idea. You have a "I'm fine with gay people in the game, but I don't want to see it" attitude, which is very insulting.

You are a victim of heterosexual privilidge and you don't realize it. You have been conditioned by society to only think of bigotry and discrimination in the terms of blatant rudeness, when most of the time it is much more subtle than that. "Priviledge" refers to the way society confers power from one group to another. You have lived with that priviledge all throughout your life, so you find it impossible to put yourself in the position of those who haven't.

To fix that, I'd start by reading this: http://www.cs.earlha...htprivilege.htm

Modifié par VirtualStranger, 28 juin 2011 - 02:47 .