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#151
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BSN....
Come for romance disscusions. Stay for the overused Portal quotes.

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Filament wrote...

No, I don't think you really can.


I think I can, actually, considering I played Awakening and had a solid idea for what his character was like in the game. He didn't come onto my Warden, so why is he coming onto Hawke?

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


Why? It will get closed anyway.

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Russalka wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


Why? It will get closed anyway.



Someitmes I have hope for this forum.

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


This thread began insane already. You are welcome to try, though... Anybody is. But it's so sad to say that I've completely lost my hope to change their minds. I can't understand why is a video-game more important than people's values.

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Luna Siwora wrote...

Well... How am I supposed to know... You have a weird username which implies that you eat poo but you keep stating that you don't... :ph34r:


Fine, I'll reword it.

I was saying that I have no problem with the OP saying that he did not want old characters changed from gay to straight, or straight to gay, or whatever, when they gave no hint that they were anything but.

But I do not support his idea that there shouldn't be any gay content in the game at all because he finds it gross or whatever. Because when people make those points they often bring up the "realism" point. That being that the vast majority are heterosexual, therefore the vast majority of characters in ME should be heterosexual too.

If we go by the realism option however, that would mean that occasionally a homosexual person may get mixed signals from a heterosexual person and come onto him/her as it happens in real life, just as heterosexual people may get the wrong idea from a homosexual person. It happens in real life, so going by the 'realism' approach; it could happen in game too. So saying "No gay in my games ew" is a ridiculous point.


I was actually SUPPORTING YOU GUYS and yet you still threw it in my face.

Well done, seriously.

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I, for one, welcome our homosexual overlords.

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Bocks wrote...

Filament wrote...

No, I don't think you really can.


I think I can, actually, considering I played Awakening and had a solid idea for what his character was like in the game. He didn't come onto my Warden, so why is he coming onto Hawke?


Justice loves you

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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


This whole forum lacks sanity. I'm trying to talk to people and everyone's going "BAWW ANOTHER THREAD LETS **** AND MOAN ABOUT HOW NOT EVERYONE SUPPORTS S/S ROMANCE"

At least give me a chance. I'm trying to respond to people who seem interested in actually discussing this issue with me.

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Removed because I've lost interest. 

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Bocks wrote...

Seriously though, aren't any of your supporters of s/s romance genuinely worried about how this may affect the existing personalities of characters already in the game?

Many of you say "But Tali and Garrus were made into LIs! Why can't we have homosexual romances?". While that is a decent argument, you're forgetting that Garrus and Tali's romances were done horrendously, and damaged their characters to some degree. Now, I'm not a fan of ruining characters for the cries of a fanbase, and if this s/s business is what will cause that, then I'm fully against it. We already can't trust the writers to handle a heterosexual romance, how can we trust them to handle a homosexual one?

Seeing how NONE of the characters wear their sexuality on their sleeve (aside from Morinth) I doubt an addition would change them. Ashley never goes "Oh I love men so so so so much, Men are awesome they are teh bestest" Liara doesn't say "I love everyone I'm an Asari so I can sleep with anyone I want to cuzI'm awesoe, i go both ways yay!" their sexuality doesn't define them and it won't if you add to it.

#162
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Alright guys stop.

Hammer time.

#163
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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


Uhhh...why? You don't think this thread is For Realz, do you? Pshaw. Pish and tosh, even. :huh:

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Bocks wrote...

Filament wrote...

No, I don't think you really can.


I think I can, actually, considering I played Awakening and had a solid idea for what his character was like in the game. He didn't come onto my Warden, so why is he coming onto Hawke?

Maybe he didn't find the Warden attractive? Maybe your warden already had a romance going with someone else?  Maybe he was more worried about staying alive? Maybe he was more worried about his freedom?

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Bocks wrote...

Filament wrote...

No, I don't think you really can.


I think I can, actually, considering I played Awakening and had a solid idea for what his character was like in the game. He didn't come onto my Warden, so why is he coming onto Hawke?


Because your Hawke is totally hotter than your Warden was.

Sheesh.

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Bocks wrote...

Filament wrote...

No, I don't think you really can.


I think I can, actually, considering I played Awakening and had a solid idea for what his character was like in the game. He didn't come onto my Warden, so why is he coming onto Hawke?


The more common complaint that it destroyed his character was about his change in personality, not his sudden openness to male relationships. Which doesn't really contradict Awakening by the way. That's like saying Velanna being straight contradicts her appearance in Awakening because she didn't hit on the Warden.

Bocks wrote...

That's just it. It's fine if it is
optional. I have to choose if I want to see it or not, not the game. It
is NOT fine if Garrus, a character I have loved from the start, suddenly
wants to "love me back".


Technically since
Garrus is already an alien it's questionable whether having a
relationship with him as a human can be considered either homosexual or
heterosexual.

#167
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Bocks wrote...

This whole forum lacks sanity. I'm trying to talk to people and everyone's going "BAWW ANOTHER THREAD LETS **** AND MOAN ABOUT HOW NOT EVERYONE SUPPORTS S/S ROMANCE"

At least give me a chance. I'm trying to respond to people who seem interested in actually discussing this issue with me.


"Oh look, it's another 'no ****** bro' thread.'"

Keep it to one thread with less inflammatory titles and you might appear less sphinctersorrowful.

#168
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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


Don't worry, I'm already here.

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Siansonea II wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


Uhhh...why? You don't think this thread is For Realz, do you? Pshaw. Pish and tosh, even. :huh:


It would be nice to put an end to the insanity.

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Bocks wrote...

Filament wrote...

No, I don't think you really can.


I think I can, actually, considering I played Awakening and had a solid idea for what his character was like in the game. He didn't come onto my Warden, so why is he coming onto Hawke?


Do you find every single woman you meet attractive?

#171
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RinjiRenee wrote...

I, for one, welcome our homosexual overlords.


I blame the conversation wheel in DA2.  It made more people accidentally gay than all the beer in human history.

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IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Fine, I'll reword it.

I was saying that I have no problem with the OP saying that he did not want old characters changed from gay to straight, or straight to gay, or whatever, when they gave no hint that they were anything but.

But I do not support his idea that there shouldn't be any gay content in the game at all because he finds it gross or whatever. Because when people make those points they often bring up the "realism" point. That being that the vast majority are heterosexual, therefore the vast majority of characters in ME should be heterosexual too.

If we go by the realism option however, that would mean that occasionally a homosexual person may get mixed signals from a heterosexual person and come onto him/her as it happens in real life, just as heterosexual people may get the wrong idea from a homosexual person. It happens in real life, so going by the 'realism' approach; it could happen in game too. So by saying "No gay in my games ew" is a ridiculous point.


I was actually SUPPORTING YOU GUYS and yet you still threw it in my face.

Well done, seriously.


I never said this. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm merely saying that the best way to handle the situation in ME3 is to have the content be accessible ONLY IF THE PLAYER ACCESSES IT. It's the only compromise that would make heterosexual fans and homosexual fans happy. This is a matter of characters. I'd be indifferent to content regarding James Vega coming onto ManShep, as that would mean his character being gay is an established part of his personality. However, if Bioware want to make Kaidan or Garrus gay, I don't ever, EVER want to see that content unless I decide to pursue it.

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The Minority wrote...

Alright guys stop.

Hammer time.



Modifié par HagSpawn, 28 juin 2011 - 01:33 .


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Luna Siwora wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Let's try to put some sanity into this thread.


This thread began insane already. You are welcome to try, though... Anybody is. But it's so sad to say that I've completely lost my hope to change their minds. I can't understand why is a video-game more important than people's values.

They don't even need to change their minds, they just need to accept that things are a little more equal now. Not much more, but more than it was. Acceptance is all that's really needed.

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IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Luna Siwora wrote...

Well... How am I supposed to know... You have a weird username which implies that you eat poo but you keep stating that you don't... :ph34r:


Fine, I'll reword it.

I was saying that I have no problem with the OP saying that he did not want old characters changed from gay to straight, or straight to gay, or whatever, when they gave no hint that they were anything but.

But I do not support his idea that there shouldn't be any gay content in the game at all because he finds it gross or whatever. Because when people make those points they often bring up the "realism" point. That being that the vast majority are heterosexual, therefore the vast majority of characters in ME should be heterosexual too.

If we go by the realism option however, that would mean that occasionally a homosexual person may get mixed signals from a heterosexual person and comt onto him/her as it happens in real life, just as heterosexual people may get the wrong idea from a homosexual person. It happens in real life, so going by the 'realism' approach; it could happen in game too. So by saying "No gay in my games ew" is a ridiculous point.


I was actually SUPPORTING YOU GUYS and yet you still threw it in my face.

Well done, seriously.


Ok, I didn't read the first two paragraphs because I am already with a headache; I did read the highlighted sentence, though. And I must ask: have you never learnt that supporting someone is not "throwing in their faces" their sexual option?

The level of fail of this thread is pathetic. One will never understand if she/he didn't experience the situation. They can, however, accept it and move on with their lives... Because a game character won't change your lives... It won't make you have nightmares... It won't make "the gheys" think that you are one of the crew... They are simply there. It's up to you to activate their happy side or not.