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Skirata129 wrote...

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Fat people should still be disqualified from military service in the future. Simply put, a fat person would not be able to handle the physical demands of either life in the military or combat. So it is realistic that everyone on Shep's team is physically fit. Being physically fit would be one of the prerequisites.

Sure, there should probably be some fat civilians wandering around on colony words or on the Citadel. But I can understand why Bioware didn't devote time to creating character models for them, and I'd rather than time was spent on creating female Turians or new aliens, like the Raloi.


Realistically, in our world I doubt that by that year the military would even exist.

edit: also, yes all those things are in our blood. they're what drove us to the top of the food chain in the first place. and of course dogs can love, at least in the human definition of the word. there's plenty of documented cases of dogs sacrificing themselves for humans, risking their lives for humans and other assorted instances where the dog WAS NOT TRAINED in any way to do those things.

Realistically the military will always exist. name a time in our history when we have not been at war. now look at our closest relatives- chimpanzees and other primates and name when they haven't had violent conflicts.


Violent behavior has nothing in common with war... If you imply that an individual conflict is the same as a war, then you are saying that a entire nation hates the other and they kill each other because of it.

of course violent behavior has something in common with war. They are both fueled by aggression and/or ambition. and for your earlier post, society will never reject money unless some post apocalyptic scenario sends us back to the barter system and even then it would redevelop.
 
Your idea of everyone working not for themselves but for the advancement of humankind is probably the most back asswards thing I've heard. by advancing themselves, humanity is advanced. when someone invents the television to make a profit, both he and humanity profited. Asking people to work for no personal gain whatsoever is evil and can only end in tears and bloodshed.


WOOO WOOO WOOO.

What the hell? you think that a monetary system is an advanced economic system? and you also think that human society is advanced? wohohoh In which world you live?

"Asking people to work for no personal gain whatsoever is evil and can only end in tears and bloodshed"
So you prefer a medic that works for money and when he sees you he only saw a number instead of a person, nice!
I dont really remember who said it (or Plato or Socrates) that work is not a media to gain something material, is a media to improve themselves.

of course I want a medic who is working for a profit. the better a job he does on me, the more business he gets and the more he profits. if he ****s up, he loses a patient and a source of income.


WAHAHAHAH XD sorry but its really weird to hear a person saying that it prefers to be cured by a medic who gives a **** than a medic who is medic because he wants to cure people :P Thats why we have wars, people thinks how they could get more money instead of caring for the person who is in front of them. And I like when you say that if he doesn t work for money he is ****ed up and kills people xD

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@Liec - we're very deep individuals here at BSN.

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If we'd have the capacity to modify Human genetics to weed out certain traits ,as was mentioned before. Couldn't we do the same for Violence , Greed and all that jazz?

This is somewhat off topic , though a lot of what is discussed revolves around achieving ,or striving for a , complete mastery over the human Body & Psyche. I for one ,find these types of scenarios impossible to tackle.

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I dare you to say it and not laugh. So long as we have greed, we will fight wars... and therefore we will have militaries.

 and so long as we have greed, the human race will continue to grow and advance. greed is synonomous with ambition.


Woo, real mature of you. So if we kill 10.000 people, we advance. Brainwashed :D

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mauro2222 wrote...

 And I like when you say that if he doesn t work for money he is ****ed up and kills people xD

really. quote me where I said that.



the medic working for personal profit will do a better job than the one working for a small paycheck and the goodness of his heart. proof- people with means in socialist countries come to america for treatment.

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It is called human behavior. Education is the base of our behavior. You are telling me that greed, hatred and envy is in our blood? so its human nature?
Human nature is the will to learn, our entire species has this. If you learn to kill, you kill. If you learn to save people, you save people. Moral is all, if you are surrounded by a violent area, then your moral tends to become blurry and you start to justify death and destruction.

And please if you dont have determination and faith, don't call me idealistic -.-"


I apologize but your statement proves how exceedingly naive you really are.... Education has very little corrolation with human violence.

Wars are not started by the impoverished, uneducated "unwashed masses"... they are instigated by the powerful, highly intelligent & educated individuals of our species. 

Hatred, envy, lust for power & property and influence are ingrained to some degree or another in all humans (it was crucial to our earliest stages of evolution to ensure our species survival at a time were humanity could have been wiped out by any number of natural disasters or wild animals) -- yes, it is ingrained at the genetic level to some degree or another.... education holds no bearing on how greedy, angry or hateful a person is.... many of the most agregious atrocities our species have ever comitted were insitigated by our most intellgient & educated members.

Were your statement true, we would be less prone to commit murderous genocides than our ancestors 10,000 years ago.... we are not (not by much anyway)... instead, our "education" and intellect has simply made us more efficient killers... we still kill for the same reasons our primitive ancestors did... we just use more sophisticated clubs & spears is all.

Say aloud... with a straight face... "Smart, educated people aren't greedy or violent."

I dare you to say it and not laugh. So long as we have greed, we will fight wars... and therefore we will have militaries.


I dont know which definition of education you have.
Education is not a degree in science, or maths.

education is experience and understanding of the surrounding world. and those who have the most of it tend to be the ones who initiate the wars, run the corporations and lead the armies.


If you have that, is not possible that will ever be a banker or a corporative. You are contradicting yourself from your ignorance.

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It is impossible to 'weed out' traits like greed or envy. They have very little to do with genetics to begin with - though all human emotions are influenced by hormones in the body. It may be possible to use genetic modification to alter the release of hormones, thus making humans less predisposed to certain moods.

As long as there is a human with and a human without, there will be a problem. If ever all humans have, there will still be a problem.

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you are making absolutely no sense. and resorting to ad hominem attacks to boot. that's normally the first sign that your oppenent is losing a debate.

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Fat Conrad Verner FTW!

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Perhaps OP is making social commentary on how Bioware bends to the will of the complainers. For example people complained for of the lack of same sex relationships in ME and they got what they wanted. Complaining about lack of fat people is almost the same thing. Its impossible to please everyone.

Community:
"How come there's no x in ME?"
"FIGHT FOR THE X"

Bioware:
"X is now in Mass Effect 3"

Community:
"Wooo! I love X! Yay bioware!"
"Boo X sucks! It was better when it was only Y"

ugh.

Modifié par squee365, 28 juin 2011 - 03:43 .


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Skirata129 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

 And I like when you say that if he doesn t work for money he is ****ed up and kills people xD

really. quote me where I said that.



the medic working for personal profit will do a better job than the one working for a small paycheck and the goodness of his heart. proof- people with means in socialist countries come to america for treatment.


of course I want a medic who is working for a profit. the better a job
he does on me, the more business he gets and the more he profits. if he
****s up, he loses a patient and a source of income.


read it again, if you dont see it, then you are blind. You cant see the big picture of modern world, thats why you say "socialist countries" the Soviet Union, China, North-Korea, Cuba never were socialist. A name means nothing if the actions means exactly the same. If they say they were socialist or are socialist, in that case the n a z i s were to.

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Skirata129 wrote...

you are making absolutely no sense. and resorting to ad hominem attacks to boot. that's normally the first sign that your oppenent is losing a debate.


Sorry if you feel ofended, but ignorance is not an insult.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 juin 2011 - 03:40 .


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[/quote]mauro2222 wrote...
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education is experience and understanding of the surrounding world. and those who have the most of it tend to be the ones who initiate the wars, run the corporations and lead the armies.
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If you have that, is not possible that will ever be a banker or a corporative. You are contradicting yourself from your ignorance.
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in case you missed this, understanding of the surrounding world comes with being taught, getting degrees, ect. experience comes from the application of that learned knowledge and viewing it's effects.

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Saaziel wrote...

If we'd have the capacity to modify Human genetics to weed out certain traits ,as was mentioned before. Couldn't we do the same for Violence , Greed and all that jazz?


Unprovoked violence caused by abnormalities in the brain (sociopathy and such)? Yes. "Greed", nationalism, faith, and need though? Absolutely not.

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That's quite enough guys. Carry your heated debate into PM and cease the insults immediately

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I see enough in real life none in video games.

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[quote]Skirata129 wrote...

[quote]mauro2222 wrote...
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education is experience and understanding of the surrounding world. and those who have the most of it tend to be the ones who initiate the wars, run the corporations and lead the armies.
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If you have that, is not possible that will ever be a banker or a corporative. You are contradicting yourself from your ignorance.

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in case you missed this, understanding of the surrounding world comes with being taught, getting degrees, ect. experience comes from the application of that learned knowledge and viewing it's effects.[/quote]

Yes, I didnt say otherwise. But if you consider yourself an educated person and you are colaborating with people who destroys the planet and human rights for a piece of paper, then you are an idiot, nothing more.

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I'm sure people don't like being fat, so conditioning in the future can change that (heck, we have ways of doing that now). Besides, a fat Shephard wouldn't make sense.

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mauro2222 wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

 And I like when you say that if he doesn t work for money he is ****ed up and kills people xD

really. quote me where I said that.



the medic working for personal profit will do a better job than the one working for a small paycheck and the goodness of his heart. proof- people with means in socialist countries come to america for treatment.


of course I want a medic who is working for a profit. the better a job
he does on me, the more business he gets and the more he profits. if he
****s up, he loses a patient and a source of income.


read it again, if you dont see it, then you are blind. You cant see the big picture of modern world, thats why you say "socialist countries" the Soviet Union, China, North-Korea, Cuba never were socialist. A name means nothing if the actions means exactly the same. If they say they were socialist or are socialist, in that case the n a z i s were to.


They are living (well, dead actually) proof that socialism is inherently flawed. ALL of those countries began  as socialist or communist and became increasingly corrupt becaus those systems are inherently flawed! they rely on the flawed concept that people never acting out of self interest is in the best interest of humanity.

People improve others by improving  themselves.  and btw, the n a z i s were socialists. the only difference between them and normal socialist groups was the race factor.

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GreenDragon37 wrote...

I'm sure people don't like being fat, so conditioning in the future can change that (heck, we have ways of doing that now). Besides, a fat Shephard wouldn't make sense.


Why not, if we have a fat femmshep we can put her in a volus suit and tadaa! Biotic goddes :D

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@GreenDragon - I think you would be wrong. Not because people would like it, but because there would definitely be some people who didn't care about being fat.

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squee365 wrote...
Perhaps OP is making social commentary on how Bioware bends to the will of the complainers. For example people complained for of the lack of same sex relationships in ME and they got what they wanted. Complaining about lack of fat people is almost the same thing. Its impossible to please everyone.
Community:
"How come there's no x in ME?"
"FIGHT FOR THE X"
Bioware:
"X is now in Mass Effect 3"
Community:
"Wooo! I love X! Yay bioware!"
"Boo X sucks! It was better when it was only Y"
ugh.


Actually...

http://social.biowar...3/index/7749056

Fight for the Fat thread

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Skirata129 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

 And I like when you say that if he doesn t work for money he is ****ed up and kills people xD

really. quote me where I said that.



the medic working for personal profit will do a better job than the one working for a small paycheck and the goodness of his heart. proof- people with means in socialist countries come to america for treatment.


of course I want a medic who is working for a profit. the better a job
he does on me, the more business he gets and the more he profits. if he
****s up, he loses a patient and a source of income.


read it again, if you dont see it, then you are blind. You cant see the big picture of modern world, thats why you say "socialist countries" the Soviet Union, China, North-Korea, Cuba never were socialist. A name means nothing if the actions means exactly the same. If they say they were socialist or are socialist, in that case the n a z i s were to.


They are living (well, dead actually) proof that socialism is inherently flawed. ALL of those countries began  as socialist or communist and became increasingly corrupt becaus those systems are inherently flawed! they rely on the flawed concept that people never acting out of self interest is in the best interest of humanity.

People improve others by improving  themselves.  and btw, the n a z i s were socialists. the only difference between them and normal socialist groups was the race factor.


Humm :blink: I didnt know that socialist countries had Private Ownership. If the ****s were socialist the first thing that they would have done is ally with the soviet union xD. Socialism is not perfect yet is better than capitalism. But personally a resource based economy is better. And the fail of that you call socialist countries is the result of uneducation again.

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mauro2222 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

I'm sure people don't like being fat, so conditioning in the future can change that (heck, we have ways of doing that now). Besides, a fat Shephard wouldn't make sense.


Why not, if we have a fat femmshep we can put her in a volus suit and tadaa! Biotic goddes :D


Because Shep is a soldier, an N7 operative at that. Wouldn't they need to be at peak physical conditions?

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@GreenDragon - I think you would be wrong. Not because people would like it, but because there would definitely be some people who didn't care about being fat.


Show me proof that I am wrong.

Shep used to be an N7 operative. He/she is still a soldier. He/she needs to be at a top physical condition. What you're asking for is just silly, and would ruin that whole "darker, serious tone" BioWare has been working for in ME3.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 28 juin 2011 - 03:55 .