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[mauro2222]

Skirata129 wrote...

what country are you in? I'm assuming its south american because of the way you typed your laugh earlier.

plus, a monetary system is really just delayed bartering. I'm trading my goods or services for a product that can be used to procure other goods and services. it's just more versatile.


also, it's actually in our interest to develop third world countries as quickly and efficiently as possible. a developed country is producing and earning money, which they can use in the global economy. Businesses are just getting very shy of investing in third world countries as their governments have a nasty tendency of waiting till all the infrastructure is in place and then nationalizing it. businesses can't operate at a loss.

Yes it is in your interest, the people, not in the interest of those you govern (the politicians, bankers). Thats the problem, the global economy of today is the thing that makes our countries poor. 3/4 of the fertile land of my country isnt even ours.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 juin 2011 - 05:00 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Being overweight is considered a health abnormality, and the establish lore seems to suggest all variations of disease have been eliminated.

Do you think they stopped at obescity, or did they eliminate other abnormalities?

Oh you went there...

Topic derailment was inevitable the moment this comment was made.

I would rather not touch this one but will say obesity can cause any number of health problems. If careful, homosexuality will not. On the flip side, if you were careful, you would not be obese.

Reapinger wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Being overweight is considered a health abnormality, and the establish lore seems to suggest all variations of disease have been eliminated. Furthermore, we are Space, which is the central operation of the Alliance military. You do not enter service while overweight and would be expected to lose said weight or not be permitted. If you want a mechanical explanation. Why waste money on additional character models for irrelevant NPCs?

Another theory is the Turian tried McDonalds, died and now presume all human food is that vile. Thus began the First Human Contract War!

McDonalds has no Dextroamino acids. Turians would literally call it poison. Moreso that it already is....

Precisely, you see? McDonalds started the Turian invasion!

mauro2222 wrote...

Humm I didnt know that socialist countries had Private Ownership. If the ****s were socialist the first thing that they would have done is ally with the soviet union xD. Socialism is not perfect yet is better than capitalism. But personally a resource based economy is better. And the fail of that you call socialist countries is the result of uneducation again.

I have to believe you meant to insinuate socialistic aspects have benefits but is not wholly superior, otherwise your opinion is the epitome of ignorance. Capitalism is flawed to a certain extent, primarily in the difficulty for those unable to find support, however it is the on means to prosper in society. It encourages people to establish and better themselves in order to accomplish their endeavors. You have to earn your success, albeit there are exceptions. If socialism were to be implemented, why would a doctor, whose profession is exceeding more time consuming and difficult, work for the same revenue as a garbage man? Evidently, this is adhering to the extreme viewpoint of socialism but it is relevant because many people believe its supposed superiority.

The reality is human beings are an inherently a selfish creature. We live for ourselves and  those in our circle. While we assist one another and build relationships, only those in the aforementioned circle are our immediate concern. Capitalism rewards this mindset.

We are way off topic here but this is one remark I could not slide.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 28 juin 2011 - 05:07 .

[mauro2222]

Look at this, if you have all the countries in the world with all the people in real jobs, machines doing the hand work, money will perish no matter what. It is not possible with capitalism to have all the countries with high wealth.

[Skirata129]

look at my edit for a revision.
companies would happily use solar tech if it was profitable, but right now it's not. the sun does have that much energy, but the problem is harnessing it. modern solar technology is very unreliable and requires constant maintenance to work correctly.

as to the automated machinery- not so. a very large number of jobs still need to be done by hand. particularly resource gathering and construction. the tech that perform the other jobs require people to maintenance them and build them.

to go back to the first point, nuclear energy is probably the best bet, but too many people are afraid of it given its overhyped presentation in media and common culture.

as the the spanish thing, of course spain is in europe. I just guessed south america because that's where most of the spanish speaking countries are. you could easily have been from equatorial guinea.

[mauro2222]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Being overweight is considered a health abnormality, and the establish lore seems to suggest all variations of disease have been eliminated.

Do you think they stopped at obescity, or did they eliminate other abnormalities?

Oh you went there...

Topic derailment was inevitable the moment this comment was made.

I would rather not touch this one but will say obesity can cause any number of health problems. If careful, homosexuality will not. On the flip side, if you were careful, you would not be obese.

Reapinger wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Being overweight is considered a health abnormality, and the establish lore seems to suggest all variations of disease have been eliminated. Furthermore, we are Space, which is the central operation of the Alliance military. You do not enter service while overweight and would be expected to lose said weight or not be permitted. If you want a mechanical explanation. Why waste money on additional character models for irrelevant NPCs?

Another theory is the Turian tried McDonalds, died and now presume all human food is that vile. Thus began the First Human Contract War!

McDonalds has no Dextroamino acids. Turians would literally call it poison. Moreso that it already is....

Precisely, you see? McDonalds started the Turian invasion!

mauro2222 wrote...

Humm I didnt know that socialist countries had Private Ownership. If the ****s were socialist the first thing that they would have done is ally with the soviet union xD. Socialism is not perfect yet is better than capitalism. But personally a resource based economy is better. And the fail of that you call socialist countries is the result of uneducation again.

I have to believe you meant to insinuate socialistic aspects have benefits but is not wholly superior, otherwise your opinion is the epitome of ignorance. Capitalism is flawed to a certain extent, primarily in the difficulty for those unable to find support, however it is the on means to prosper in society. It encourages people to establish and better themselves in order to accomplish their endeavors. You have to earn your success, albeit there are exceptions. If socialism were to be implemented, why would a doctor, whose profession is exceeding more time consuming and difficult, work for the same revenue as a garbage man? Evidently, this is adhering to the extreme viewpoint of socialism but it is relevant because many people believe its supposed superiority.

The reality is human beings are an inherently selfish creature. We live for ourselves or those in our circle. While we assist one another and build relationships, only those in the aforementioned circle our are immediate concern. Capitalism rewards this mindset.

We are way off topic here but this is one remark I could not slide.

Please read all the post xD you missed great info. There is not such thing as human nature, if the prosperity of society is the doom of certain people, then is not a good system.

[Skirata129]

mauro2222 wrote...

Look at this, if you have all the countries in the world with all the people in real jobs, machines doing the hand work, money will perish no matter what. It is not possible with capitalism to have all the countries with high wealth.

and of course not everyone will be equal. people fall in certain strata of economic prosperity based on a combination of ability, drive, luck and their ancestor's combinations of the above. but the entire playing field is gradualy raised instead of leveling the mountains on it just to bring others down to your level.

btw, money doesn't perish... it just moves from one place ot another based on the currents of supply and demand.

[Gabey5]

all humans are genetically engineered in the future

[mauro2222]

Skirata129 wrote...

look at my edit for a revision.
companies would happily use solar tech if it was profitable, but right now it's not. the sun does have that much energy, but the problem is harnessing it. modern solar technology is very unreliable and requires constant maintenance to work correctly.

as to the automated machinery- not so. a very large number of jobs still need to be done by hand. particularly resource gathering and construction. the tech that perform the other jobs require people to maintenance them and build them.

to go back to the first point, nuclear energy is probably the best bet, but too many people are afraid of it given its overhyped presentation in media and common culture.

as the the spanish thing, of course spain is in europe. I just guessed south america because that's where most of the spanish speaking countries are. you could easily have been from equatorial guinea.

Yes. But you missed my point. Why is considered obsolete technology, why a child has to die of hunger while I eat a hamburger? Because I have the money, because is expensive to develop that tech. We simply are taught to not see the world around. We could create artificial oasis in africa to fertilize the land to feed the children but nooo, its expensive.

[Medhia Nox]

Do they mass produce you science fiction fans from some sort of Playdough spaghetti press?

What is this "genetically engineered" nonsense you all spew?

[BlaznZero]

I introduce you to...NEW MALE SHEPARD!


 

Modifié par BlaznZero, 28 juin 2011 - 05:11 .

[Skirata129]

you missed one ^ I'll answer yours in a sec so we don't get off track.

Modifié par Skirata129, 28 juin 2011 - 05:16 .

[mauro2222]

Skirata129 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Look at this, if you have all the countries in the world with all the people in real jobs, machines doing the hand work, money will perish no matter what. It is not possible with capitalism to have all the countries with high wealth.

and of course not everyone will be equal. people fall in certain strata of economic prosperity based on a combination of ability, drive, luck and their ancestor's combinations of the above. but the entire playing field is gradualy raised instead of leveling the mountains on it just to bring others down to your level.

btw, money doesn't perish... it just moves from one place ot another based on the currents of supply and demand.

It becomes simple paper with a face. Because you have to do work, you need 30 people. In a world of all people educated, none of them would want money, because if they "need" something they go to a distribution center they adquire it (i was going to put "want" but thats the problem in society, we want, its not important if we need, we see and we want, we are stupid numbers that only consume) and leave, rolling back to the 30 people work, if they have all that they need, they will work for pure solidaritie. They want a bridge to unite two towns, they build it. Money forces us to obtain it in order to survive, in order to have simple things like water, home, heat. But if you already have that you concentrate in improving yourself, improving the surroinding, improving others.

[mauro2222]

Ahhh I have to wake up at 7 am and here we are at 2:20 am

[Skirata129]

we already get that in more efficient ways. It's easier to have 1 person have a massive farm that feeds thousands than thousands of farms that feed one. specialization of labor.
as to your comments about world hunger and such, that's very short term thinking. if everyone donates as much as they can to try and get food to those people, it's stop the deaths for a while, but eventually the resources run out. building of the infrastructure of the country takes longer, but will create jobs, a stable system and result in more saved lives as well as a profit for those who made the investment. no one's willing to do it right now though because areas like that are infested with warlords, disease and rife with oppurunistic violence.

if you feel that strongly about it, perform an experiment with it. when you get your next paycheck, take only what you need to get the BARE ESSENTIALS to survive. basic food and water, no electricity, no heating or cooling, no mass effect 3. take the rest and donate it to a charity to feed the homeless or something of that nature.

[mauro2222]

It would be more simple to me if you could talk spanish xD I cant find the words that I want so I have to transform everything into something that is hard to understand even to me, and I wrote it xD but well, good nights or whatever form of night bye wish you use xD.

[DoNotIngest]

Fatness derails a lot of things; Trains, roller coasters, monorails... Even threads.

[Bourne Endeavor]

mauro2222 wrote...

Please read all the post xD you missed great info. There is not such thing as human nature, if the prosperity of society is the doom of certain people, then is not a good system.

I have and can concluded you are incredibly misguided. Human beings are selfish by nature, it is a proven fact. To some, the word carries an unwanted stigma but it is an accurate representation as to what we are as a species. This is true of any animal, and does not pertain to humans exclusively. It is the need to survive, to procreate, and so forth. Why it is viewed negatively is due to how people act beyond those instinctive characteristics.

With regards to the other topic. Society will always be separated based on economics. It is how we have grown to the current state we are, and hence Capitalism is still established to this day. To cite myself an example, socialism would be detrimental to my endeavors. I am an entrepreneur and seek to build a successful business, which undoubtedly will lead to financial prosperity. By right, I am entitled to reap the benefits of my hard work, as it should be. I would have earned the wealth I have.

Capitalism both supports and promotes this, encouraging others to do the same. If I can succeed, any other individual can. Meanwhile, socialism would make my goal impossible because of a predetermined law or what have you, which dedicates I cannot surpass my peers. So I reiterate, what motivation would I have to succeed? Why should I work harder than someone else without any benefit? That is the fundamental and fatal flaw in socialism and why it will never be implemented to the full extent.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 28 juin 2011 - 05:31 .

[Skirata129]

agreed. it's fruitless to bring that up when arguing against people like that though as their argument is always based upon the supposition that we would "overcome self interest".

[mauro2222]

Skirata129 wrote...

we already get that in more efficient ways. It's easier to have 1 person have a massive farm that feeds thousands than thousands of farms that feed one. specialization of labor.
as to your comments about world hunger and such, that's very short term thinking. if everyone donates as much as they can to try and get food to those people, it's stop the deaths for a while, but eventually the resources run out. building of the infrastructure of the country takes longer, but will create jobs, a stable system and result in more saved lives as well as a profit for those who made the investment. no one's willing to do it right now though because areas like that are infested with warlords, disease and rife with oppurunistic violence.

if you feel that strongly about it, perform an experiment with it. when you get your next paycheck, take only what you need to get the BARE ESSENTIALS to survive. basic food and water, no electricity, no heating or cooling, no mass effect 3. take the rest and donate it to a charity to feed the homeless or something of that nature.

thats what I do xD I use the computer to work and games as freetime, the rest of the money I donate it to Caritas. But you have to analize all the view. A farm country or primary based resources country would never be at the same level of a industrial country. Pooverty would never dissappear until the abolition of money as way to obtain services.

but will create jobs, a stable system and result in more saved lives as well as a profit for those who made the investment.

thats the problem, they break their asses working to survive, its stupid, while others "invest" and gain more... if they donate the money to those who work hard in equals parts, then all the people will have the same ammount of money, and money will mean nothing. Those who have more paper have more power, is ridiculous.

[mauro2222]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Please read all the post xD you missed great info. There is not such thing as human nature, if the prosperity of society is the doom of certain people, then is not a good system.

I have and can concluded you are incredibly misguided. Human beings are selfish by nature, it is a proven fact. To some, the word carries an unwanted stigma but it is an accurate representation as to what we are as a species. This is true of any animal, and does not pertain to humans exclusively. It is the need to survive, to procreate, and so forth. Why it is viewed negatively is due to how people act beyond those instinctive characteristics.

With regards to the other topic. Society will always be separated based on economics. It is how we have grown to the current state we are, and hence Capitalism is still established to this day. To cite myself an example, socialism would be detrimental to my endeavors. I am an entrepreneur and seek to build a successful business, which undoubtedly will lead to financial prosperity. By right, I am entitled to reap the benefits of my hard work, as it should be. I would have earned the wealth I have.

Capitalism both supports and promotes this, encouraging others to do the same. If I can succeed, any other individual can. Meanwhile, socialism would make my goal impossible because of a predetermined law or what have you, which dedicates I cannot surpass my peers. So I reiterate, what motivation would I have to succeed? Why should I work harder than someone else without any benefit? That is the fundamental and fatal flaw in socialism and why it will never be implemented to the full extent.

I dont like socialism and capitalism xD they have money. A Resource based economy is better. http://www.thevenusproject.com/

There is not such thing like greed is human nature, the human nature is the will to learn, (again). By your "fact" a child is a greedy mother****er, the so called innocense of a child is the human nature, thats why the childrens love their teachers, because they teach them, they learn and become happy.

God this keyboard ate my words.
GOD I getting tired of edit

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 juin 2011 - 05:43 .

[Medhia Nox]

I would love to put you two in a padded cell for 24 hours.

[Skirata129]

you're equating how hard labor is with how neccesary it is. pretty much anyone can be a garbageman. few can run run a garbage collection company effectively. those with greatest and rarest abilities will tend to make more, simple fact. Those with those abilities will not always rise as high as they should, but they will tend to rise higher than others with lesser abilities. then their offspring have a higher springboard to start off from than the rest. I'm not denying that those in industrialized nations would most likely have an inherent advantage, but that advantage is unavoidable and a neccesity. people want to rise so that their progeny can have those benefits.

Inequity will always exist. Equity is an illusion.

[Skirata129]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Greed is a useful trait for an organism to survive.

we passed that debate a long time ago. lol

[Medhia Nox]

I agree with Saphra Deden - so, when I kill a man and take his woman as my mate... I will kill his children because his genetics were clearly too weak compared to mine. Then - I will breed the woman and enforce my genetic superiority.