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[Dean_the_Young]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

The Volus are the merchants of the galaxy. They hire others to do the strong-arm jobs for them. They are also a "vassel state" of the Turian Hierarchy. So, no combat fleets, just merchant fleets.

Even vassal states maintain their own militaries: it's actually one of the main uses for them.

Moreover, 'the merchant powers' have historically been synonymous with 'the military powers' throughout history.

Mass Effect may screw with logic and history, but no reason to jump in on it.

[The Twilight God]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

Probably nothing. It's been fairly established that Volus just aren't very physically capable, which is why they get little respect from the Council, which prioritises military force.

It is a ship.

It's not like they have to go outside and push. It's a machine: the entire point of it is that it doesn't need fleshy things to empower it. The Volus can build ships and use AI/VI for the crews, for all that their biology matters.

I don't see why they couldn't have warships. They just wouldn't have ground troops like the hanar wouldn't have ground troops (a small force of drell at best), but they do have warships.

[tobynator89]

military tradition Is also important to factor in here, and it doesn't seem like the volus had much that prior to their first contact. My guess is that is the reason why they granted the responsibility of protecting their worlds to the turians, who arguably has the strongest military tradition in citadel space.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why on (Volus homeworld) would the Volus not fight amongst themselves prior to their own first contact? Combat capability is always relative: before there were Turians and Asari and Salarians, the worse Volus had to face would have been Volus.

[The Twilight God]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why on (Volus homeworld) would the Volus not fight amongst themselves prior to their own first contact? Combat capability is always relative: before there were Turians and Asari and Salarians, the worse Volus had to face would have been Volus.

Before I was an adult I fought with other chidlren. Had I tried to fight 20 year olds while I was 10 I would be outmatched. Tiny bolbous people fighting each other doesn't mean they can hang with the big boys. When you factor in a punctured suit = exploding volus they don't stand much of a chance in a ground war. I'd take a naked quarian into a fight before I'd take an armed volus.

[Medhia Nox]

You don't have to worry about a fractured suit as much inside a giant mech.

Seriously - there's no reason why they couldn't have an army of robots or something.

[JunMadine]

The volus have secretly built the largest fleet in the galaxy and they were planning on conquering the turians and other council races. (Well that would be funny)

[Wulfram]

On a planet suitable for the Volus to live on, they'd presumably be at a considerable advantage compared to other species.

[Parah_Salin]

They'll sell refreshments and red sand.

[Han Shot First]

The Vol Protectorate, as the name suggests, is a protectorate of the Turians. As such the Volus don't really have their own military, but they do serve in Volus auxiliary units of the Turian military. 

That being said I'd imagine the Turians would be careful to limit the amount and type of ships the Volus can field, so as not to encourage any thoughts of independence. So while there would no doubt be Volus ships assigned to the Turian fleet, I'd imagine none are probably of Dreadnought class, and if they field any Cruisers at all, they would be very few in number. The Volus would probably provide supply ships, troop transports, hospital ships an the like, as well as frigates for escort duty or to screen larger Turian vessels like Cruisers or Dreadnoughts.

Also, the Volus physical limitations are exaggerated by many players. They are limited physically on worlds with enviroments similar to ours, because they evolved on a high pressure world with an Ammonia based biosphere. Species like the Humans or the Turians, would be just as limited physically on the Volus homeworld, or with worlds with similar enviroments. So I'd imagine the Turians would probably employ Volus infantry in a specialized role, designed to fight on worlds with enviroments that would be hostile to the Turians, but less so to the Volus.

And even with the physical limitations on worlds with enviroments similar to Earth or Palaven, there are other roles the Volus could play besides infantry. Volus auxiliaries would be just as capable supporting Turian infantry while operating tanks, light armored vehicles, or self propelled artillery. They could also pilot fighters and bombers in a close air support role.

As for those who state the Volus would not have any combat vessels:

This actually flies in the face of historical vassal states, who usually did field their own armies and navies in support of the state they owed fealty to. Additionally, the Volus would need some combat ships to patrol their own trade lanes and protect their considerable merchant fleet from piracy. The Turians wouldn't be able to completely perform this role, since they also have to perform that role in Turian space. So I'd imagine the Volus would have a considerable fleet of frigates or corvettes at least.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juin 2011 - 07:08 .

[Medhia Nox]

And everything Han Shot First has said is an excellent way to position the Volus to overthrow their Turian oppressors and achieve their proper place in the galaxy as an equal race to the four obnoxious Council races (I actually do like Salarians though)

[The Twilight God]

Medhia Nox wrote...

You don't have to worry about a fractured suit as much inside a giant mech.

Seriously - there's no reason why they couldn't have an army of robots or something.

The same reason nobody else has an army of Atlas mechs. The expense.

[The Twilight God]

Han Shot First wrote...
That being said I'd imagine the Turians would be careful to limit the amount and type of ships the Volus can field, so as not to encourage any thoughts of independence.

Volus approached the turians. They wanted turian protection.  It wasn't forced on them. 

Also, the Volus physical limitations are exaggerated by many players. They are limited physically on worlds with enviroments similar to ours, because they evolved on a high pressure world with an Ammonia based biosphere.

 
 
Since worlds similar to the volus homeworld are rare, we are justified to state that they are indeed physical inept in 99% of situations.

Species like the Humans or the Turians, would be just as limited physically on the Volus homeworld, or with worlds with similar enviroments.

 
 
Not necessarily. As long as whatever armor they wear is pressure controlled they should be fine. With their little legs and awkward little arms a human in a heavy armor suit would probably be on even playing field in a worse case scenario. 

So I'd imagine the Turians would probably employ Volus infantry in a specialized role, designed to fight on worlds with enviroments that would be hostile to the Turians, but less so to the Volus.

 

Such a world would either be populated by krogan or vorcha (maybe rachni?). I don't see volus soldiers being successful against either.

And even with the physical limitations on worlds with enviroments similar to Earth or Palaven, there are other roles the Volus could play besides infantry. Volus auxiliaries would be just as capable supporting Turian infantry while operating tanks, light armored vehicles, or self propelled artillery. They could also pilot fighters and bombers in a close air support role.

Do I really want a guy who needs a breather and can't spit out one sentence with gasping for air backing me up in a hot zone? Hypervenilating volus under stress sounds like fail. 

Volus: We need...*gasp*... air support... *gasp*.. at coordinates... 5 *explosion*..................................

Radio: You still there? Hello?!!

Volus: **** ****... *gasp* ****!!!.

Radio: You alright?

Volus: Can't...*gasp*...breath...*gasp*......

Radio: *sigh* Take your time...

Volus: They...*gasp*...made a bombing... *gasp*...run. They're coming ....*gasp*... your way at heading... *gasp*...northwest by.. *gasp*

Radio: <static>

Volus: Hello?

Volus 2: I think they...*gasp*...already got to them while... *gasp*...you were struggling to... *gasp*...  warn them.

This actually flies in the face of historical vassal states, who usually did field their own armies and navies in support of the state they owed fealty to. Additionally, the Volus would need some combat ships to patrol their own trade lanes and protect their considerable merchant fleet from piracy. The Turians wouldn't be able to completely perform this role, since they also have to perform that role in Turian space.

The same way the United States military can't protect Japan and Europe in addition to it's own space while fighting 2 wars? I assume that if the turians could not protect them, they would not have taken them under their protection. Not to say the volus have no warships, but I doubt they are substantial. 

[nitrog100]

The Volus don't have a military, which is why they can't join the Council. They just make sure that they keep strong ties with the Turians.

[DoNotIngest]

The Twilight God wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why on (Volus homeworld) would the Volus not fight amongst themselves prior to their own first contact? Combat capability is always relative: before there were Turians and Asari and Salarians, the worse Volus had to face would have been Volus.

Before I was an adult I fought with other chidlren. Had I tried to fight 20 year olds while I was 10 I would be outmatched. Tiny bolbous people fighting each other doesn't mean they can hang with the big boys. When you factor in a punctured suit = exploding volus they don't stand much of a chance in a ground war. I'd take a naked quarian into a fight before I'd take an armed volus.

Giggity.

[Han Shot First]

[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...
That being said I'd imagine the Turians would be careful to limit the amount and type of ships the Volus can field, so as not to encourage any thoughts of independence.[/quote]

Volus approached the turians. They wanted turian protection.  It wasn't forced on them. [/quote]

I'm aware that the Volus approached the Turians with the offer.

Even so the Turians would no doubt be keen on keeping the balance of power in their favor, and if the Volus' shipyards started churning out dreadnoughts, cruisers and carriers, the Turians probably wouldn't view it as being in their best interest. As such I'd imagine Volus dreadnought production is limited either by the Treaty of Farixen, or a similar treaty signed directly with the Turians.


[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...

Also, the Volus physical limitations are exaggerated by many players. They are limited physically on worlds with enviroments similar to ours, because they evolved on a high pressure world with an Ammonia based biosphere[/quote]

Since worlds similar to the volus homeworld are rare, we are justified to state that they are indeed physical inept in 99% of situations.[/quote]

The Milky Way Galaxy may contain as many as 50 billion planets, according to estimates by scientists working with NASA's Kepler telescope. The notion that the Volus homeworld would be one in 50 billion, is far fetched to say the least.

In fact we know the Volus homeworld isn't unique in the Mass Effect universe, because they are multi-world species.


[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...

Species like the Humans or the Turians, would be just as limited physically on the Volus homeworld, or with worlds with similar enviroments.[/quote]

Not necessarily. As long as whatever armor they wear is pressure controlled they should be fine. With their little legs and awkward little arms a human in a heavy armor suit would probably be on even playing field in a worse case scenario.[/quote]

Suit breaches could be fatal for Turians, just as a suit breach would be fatal for a Volus on Palaven. Volus infantry would have advantage over the Turians physically on their home turf or on planets with similar enviroments, where they wouldn't need enviroment suits, and where minor wounds usually wouldn't cause fatalities.


[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...


So I'd imagine the Turians would probably employ Volus infantry in a specialized role, designed to fight on worlds with enviroments that would be hostile to the Turians, but less so to the Volus.[/quote]

Such a world would either be populated by krogan or vorcha (maybe rachni?). I don't see volus soldiers being successful against either.[/quote]

Neither the Krogan or the Vorcha breathe ammonia. It would be just as poisonous for them to breathe as it is for the Volus to breathe nitrogen and oxygen air mixtures. Of course that doesn't rule out their presence on those planets. Many mining operations are set up in hostile enviroments and pirates and slavers often use hostile planets as bases. But outside of their ships or facilities, the Krogan and Vorcha would also need to use suits to protect them from the enviroment and give them the oxygen they need to breath, and even minor suit breaches could be fatal. Volus infantry would have an advantage.

I could see the Turians employing specialized Volus infantry to take down slavers, mercs or pirates on similar worlds, backed by Turian armor, air or artillery support.


[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...


And even with the physical limitations on worlds with enviroments similar to Earth or Palaven, there are other roles the Volus could play besides infantry. Volus auxiliaries would be just as capable supporting Turian infantry while operating tanks, light armored vehicles, or self propelled artillery. They could also pilot fighters and bombers in a close air support role.[/quote]

Do I really want a guy who needs a breather and can't spit out one sentence with gasping for air backing me up in a hot zone? Hypervenilating volus under stress sounds like fail. [/quote]

The Volus have no problem communicating through their breathers. The breathing sound effects in between words are just there for dramatic effect, like Darth Vader's heavy breathing in the Star Wars movies.


[quote]The Twilight God wrote...

[quote]Han Shot First wrote...

This actually flies in the face of historical vassal states, who usually did field their own armies and navies in support of the state they owed fealty to. Additionally, the Volus would need some combat ships to patrol their own trade lanes and protect their considerable merchant fleet from piracy. The Turians wouldn't be able to completely perform this role, since they also have to perform that role in Turian space. So I'd imagine the Volus would have a considerable fleet of frigates or corvettes at least. [/quote]


The same way the United States military can't protect Japan and Europe in addition to it's own space while fighting 2 wars? I assume that if the turians could not protect them, they would not have taken them under their protection. Not to say the volus have no warships, but I doubt they are substantial. [/quote]

Japan is actually a good example to use, even though they aren't a protectorate of the United States.

The Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force is also the world's best navies, and currently fields 110 warships.


[quote]
The Volus don't have a military, which is why they can't join the Council. They just make sure that they keep strong ties with the Turians. [/quote]

The Volus serve as auxiliary units attached to the Turian military, and it is a path to Turian citizenship for them. It was mentioned in Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 juin 2011 - 12:36 .

[Abispa]

Medhia Nox wrote...

You don't have to worry about a fractured suit as much inside a giant mech.

Seriously - there's no reason why they couldn't have an army of robots or something.

OMG! Don't you see!? THE VOLUS ARE REAPERS!

[Abispa]

Also, given their love of gambling, perhaps they can invent the infinite improbability drive?

I sometimes worry that the end of ME3 will SEEM like Shepard had access to an IID.

[The Twilight God]

@Han Shot First

1. If the Volus started producing more warships the turians would probably be happy for them. If they violated the treaty of Farixen the volus would lose their associate membership and end up like the batarians. That wouldn;t be bad for the turians, that would be bad for the entire galactic economy.

2. Volus worlds are rare. In ME 1 and 2 combined I believe there are 2 worlds total that the volus can habitat without suits. A high pressure world, that isn't a super terrestrial, that can support an ammonia based ecosystem. I'm sure such planets are out there, but they are going to be rare compared to all the others. Look at it this way. Shepard pops on his armor with his sealable helmet and he's good to go on just about any world. Not just earth-like worlds. A volus is only at his best on a very specific type of world.

3. Turians and humans would own volus even on their own turf. With those bulbous bodies and short arms and legs I doubt they're all that agile even on their homeworld. They are slow, they can't hold any weapon requiring two hands. They'd probably get a muscle strain clasping their hands together over their bulbous bodies.  I doubt they can even stratch their own backs much less reach it to grab a larger weapon.

4. If a human or Turian get their armor pierced it would probably seal up. And I'd think they would have to be getting their butts kicked for that to happen. I'm fairly certain a turian or human would be more that a match for a volus on Erune.

5. Krogan do not breath Ammonia, but they can wear nothing but breathers on certain worlds where they breed vorcha. Krogan are physically harder and don't need suits in places humans would. Vorcha breath whatever they want. Volus will NEVER have an advantage if both side come prepared. They are simply not built to play with the big boys.

6. That volus accusing the quarian of stealing his cheat was not gasping for dramatic effect and took offense to the C-Sec officer's comment about everyone calming down and taking a deep breath. Every Volus does it.

[chester013]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Given their lack of combat ability, I suspect Volus ships will look something like this;

I lost my **** when I saw this. I can picture it now, a forward base for ground troops with a volus selling tacos from a truck

[Nashiktal]

Seeing as how economics will mean jack squat once the reaper invasion begins... Not much. Volus are a client race who's main reason for having any power at all lies in their economic prowess. They leave the military to the Turians.

I'm sure there are ships out there with weapons and can fight, but from a war standpoint their help will be minimal at best.

Hell at least the Elcor can make good ground troops.

[Gabey5]

they have a severely limited military they are part of the turian hierarchy

[SalsaDMA]

Even the Ferengi have armed ships, so thinking the Volus wouldn't is kinda... meh...

And Nash. Just because there is a war going on, doesn't mean economy ceases to exists. If anything, it becomes even more important.

[The Twilight God]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Even the Ferengi have armed ships, so thinking the Volus wouldn't is kinda... meh...

That's a poor comparison. The Ferengi are not wimps. Their military might was equal to the Federation.

[Medhia Nox]

@The Twilight God: Have you even counted the amount of robots Shepard alone kills in the first two games?

The Volus don't need Ymirs to have a military - the smaller bots, FENRIS bots, etc. would do just fine. And honestly - any galactic civilization would be able to put together an army of robots (in sci-fi where combat robots exist at least).

They're the frigg'n "Merchant race" - if anyone could fund them, it would be the Volus.