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[The Twilight God]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@The Twilight God: Have you even counted the amount of robots Shepard alone kills in the first two games?

The Volus don't need Ymirs to have a military - the smaller bots, FENRIS bots, etc. would do just fine. And honestly - any galactic civilization would be able to put together an army of robots (in sci-fi where combat robots exist at least).

They're the frigg'n "Merchant race" - if anyone could fund them, it would be the Volus.

LOKI mechs suck. One man could mow down their entire "army". Those mechs aren't intended to be front line combatants.

[Medhia Nox]

If you're basing it on what Shepard does to them... that makes the Geth, the Collectors, Cerberus, the Blue Suns, etc. etc. all useless frontline combatants.

[The Twilight God]

Medhia Nox wrote...

If you're basing it on what Shepard does to them... that makes the Geth, the Collectors, Cerberus, the Blue Suns, etc. etc. all useless frontline combatants.

LOKI mechs are way easier than any other enemy. The game lore itself states they aren't intended for real combat and it shows. They walk slow, they don't take cover, they never have any defenses and they have less health than any other foe. They just (slowly) walk straight to their deaths.They'd only be useful against civilians.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 29 juin 2011 - 03:13 .

[Dean_the_Young]

The Twilight God wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Why on (Volus homeworld) would the Volus not fight amongst themselves prior to their own first contact? Combat capability is always relative: before there were Turians and Asari and Salarians, the worse Volus had to face would have been Volus.

Before I was an adult I fought with other chidlren. Had I tried to fight 20 year olds while I was 10 I would be outmatched. Tiny bolbous people fighting each other doesn't mean they can hang with the big boys. When you factor in a punctured suit = exploding volus they don't stand much of a chance in a ground war. I'd take a naked quarian into a fight before I'd take an armed volus.

You probably didn't understand the context of what you think you're replying to.

[Dean_the_Young]

The Twilight God wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@The Twilight God: Have you even counted the amount of robots Shepard alone kills in the first two games?

The Volus don't need Ymirs to have a military - the smaller bots, FENRIS bots, etc. would do just fine. And honestly - any galactic civilization would be able to put together an army of robots (in sci-fi where combat robots exist at least).

They're the frigg'n "Merchant race" - if anyone could fund them, it would be the Volus.

LOKI mechs suck. One man could mow down their entire "army". Those mechs aren't intended to be front line combatants.

Shepard also mows down turians, humans, asari, geth, and collectors with abandon, and doesn't even get wounded by two different Spectres.

Perhaps, just perhaps, gameplay versus lore should be considered... as well as Shepard's own special nature.

[The Twilight God]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@The Twilight God: Have you even counted the amount of robots Shepard alone kills in the first two games?

The Volus don't need Ymirs to have a military - the smaller bots, FENRIS bots, etc. would do just fine. And honestly - any galactic civilization would be able to put together an army of robots (in sci-fi where combat robots exist at least).

They're the frigg'n "Merchant race" - if anyone could fund them, it would be the Volus.

LOKI mechs suck. One man could mow down their entire "army". Those mechs aren't intended to be front line combatants.

Shepard also mows down turians, humans, asari, geth, and collectors with abandon, and doesn't even get wounded by two different Spectres.

Perhaps, just perhaps, gameplay versus lore should be considered... as well as Shepard's own special nature.

The Twilight God wrote...

LOKI mechs are way easier than any other enemy. The game lore itself states they aren't intended for real combat and it shows. They walk slow, they don't take cover, they never have any defenses and they have less health than any other foe. They just (slowly) walk straight to their deaths.They'd only be useful against civilians.

[SalsaDMA]

I'm just gonna paste from the wiki now:

Military

The volus are not physically cut out for combat, be it a full-scale war or even a bar room scuffle. As such, they are highly dependent on the turians for defense, although the volus themselves do provide some auxiliary troops to the Hierarchy. The volus will support the turians in any war they might pursue, and the turians will do the same for the volus.

Possibly for this reason, volus weaponry tends to be utilitarian rather than high-grade. Some volus manufacturers specialise in cheaper, lower-grade copies of expensive turian equipment.

So:
A) They DO have troops, although not of a very good quality.
and
They DO have arms and manufacture arms, yet again not of a very high quality.

So yes, they can see war-action, although they would prob prefer not to if given the chance.

Edit: And yes, according to the wiki they WILL enter the war if the Turians do so.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 29 juin 2011 - 04:43 .

[Dean_the_Young]

The Twilight God wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@The Twilight God: Have you even counted the amount of robots Shepard alone kills in the first two games?

The Volus don't need Ymirs to have a military - the smaller bots, FENRIS bots, etc. would do just fine. And honestly - any galactic civilization would be able to put together an army of robots (in sci-fi where combat robots exist at least).

They're the frigg'n "Merchant race" - if anyone could fund them, it would be the Volus.

LOKI mechs suck. One man could mow down their entire "army". Those mechs aren't intended to be front line combatants.

Shepard also mows down turians, humans, asari, geth, and collectors with abandon, and doesn't even get wounded by two different Spectres.

Perhaps, just perhaps, gameplay versus lore should be considered... as well as Shepard's own special nature.

The Twilight God wrote...

LOKI mechs are way easier than any other enemy. The game lore itself states they aren't intended for real combat and it shows. They walk slow, they don't take cover, they never have any defenses and they have less health than any other foe. They just (slowly) walk straight to their deaths.They'd only be useful against civilians.

Because yes, LOKI are the only type of military robots that the Volus could use. Or all military robots would be just as capable as LOKI. Or LOKI could not be improved. Or-

(This site lacks an appropriate eye-roll smile.)

And, big surprise, you're right back to going to arging on game mechanics. Again.

(This site still lacks an appropriate eye-roll smile.)

[Raiil]

I think we should tie them to strings, scatter them across the galaxy like buoys, and then rip their suits when there are Reapers nearby. The explosions will be tremendous.

[Mixon]

volus have only trade ships, no?

[Medhia Nox]

@Mixon - and if Bioware payed any attention to the importance of mobility of goods during wartime - the Volus would be invaluable.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 29 juin 2011 - 08:03 .

[The Twilight God]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Because yes, LOKI are the only type of military robots that the Volus could use. Or all military robots would be just as capable as LOKI. Or LOKI could not be improved. Or-

(This site lacks an appropriate eye-roll smile.)

And, big surprise, you're right back to going to arging on game mechanics. Again.

(This site still lacks an appropriate eye-roll smile.)

U mad?

Calm down, chief.

The lore itself states that LOKI mechs are not intended to replace soldiers on a battlefield and this is patently obvious. Bioware could have made them fight just like geth, but they purposely made them inferior to intelligent opponents. So don't try and play the "game mechanics" card. Mechs suck: FACT.

And if not LOKI, what kind of mech are they going to use? An army of heavies? Or are you going to make up a new never before seen hypothetical combat droid that is just as good as a AI that belongs in the Star Wars universe?

[Nashiktal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...


(This site lacks an appropriate eye-roll smile.)

And, big surprise, you're right back to going to arging on game mechanics. Again.

(This site still lacks an appropriate eye-roll smile.)

You do realize he also references the codex right? The codex even states that such mechs are not much use in military applications. 


The fact they could be improved doesn't change that. Salarians could suddenly build a bunch of atlas mechs, doesn't mean they do. Unless we are given evidence that the Volus are using heavily modified mechs (which are a recent and Alliance made invention) I doubt they are packing a bunch of HK 47's right now.