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[Fogg]

Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

Favourite quote so far:

"Third floor," Grayson said. "Take the stairs. The elevator's a little slow." 

[Matchy Pointy]

As I've said before, the way I see it, whatever happens in the books is canon (even if I dont like them), except those things that goes agasint what happend in your playthrough.

[ladyvader]

I think it was a Casey Hudson comment that stated there is no canon ending. Every Shepard is different. Not sure if I read that on his twitter account or an article some place.

[J. Finley]

The way I'd like to imagine it, the writers have played the games and based the books on what happened in their playthroughs. So it's their canon, but not ours.

[GodWood]

Schrijver wrote...
Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

There's always a council.
Apparently bits of the Collector Base are still collected no matter what.


Your choices have not been contradicted.
(except for the Udina one )

[Fogg]

Yes, but it's easy enough not to mention those two things. Like in the comics when someone says about Shepard's dead body 'You can't even see if it's male or female', that's cool.

Jayman1337 wrote...

The way I'd like to imagine it, the writers have played the games and based the books on what happened in their playthroughs. So it's their canon, but not ours.

Drew Karpyshyn is author of the book ánd in charge of the story for the game

[Fogg]

GodWood wrote...

Schrijver wrote...
Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

There's always a council.
Apparently bits of the Collector Base are still collected no matter what.


Your choices have not been contradicted.
(except for the Udina one )

I know, but humanity is described as the lapdog of the other council members now that they have a seat. Doesn't sound like that would happen when the council get's killed and humanity leads the new one

[GodWood]

Schrijver wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Schrijver wrote...
Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

There's always a council.
Apparently bits of the Collector Base are still collected no matter what.


Your choices have not been contradicted.
(except for the Udina one )

I know, but humanity is described as the lapdog of the other council members now that they have a seat. Doesn't sound like that would happen when the council get's killed and humanity leads the new one

Quote?

[MrFob]

Ahh, this again:
There is exactly one single line that states that Anderson is not councilor. Why Drew put this line in the book, I don't really know, IMO it would have been fine without it. He responded once to a fan that it only made sense this way to him, so yeah, that's the reason I guess. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I think the things in the book happened because they are referenced in the games. This one line, I am just going to ignore.
Anyway, apart from this one sentence, everything in the book is up to interpretation and nothing is cannon as far as I am aware.

Now, could someone hand over the popcorn for the inevitable cannon discussion?

Modifié par MrFob, 28 juin 2011 - 07:47 .

[J. Finley]

Schrijver wrote...

Yes, but it's easy enough not to mention those two things. Like in the comics when someone says about Shepard's dead body 'You can't even see if it's male or female', that's cool.

Jayman1337 wrote...

The way I'd like to imagine it, the writers have played the games and based the books on what happened in their playthroughs. So it's their canon, but not ours.

Drew Karpyshyn is author of the book ánd in charge of the story for the game

That's what I get for not reading the book.

[MisterShine]

MrFob wrote...

Anyway, apart from this one sentence, everything in the book is up to interpretation and nothing is cannon as far as I am aware.

Now, could someone hand over the popcorn for the inevitable cannon discussion?

I just assumed between the time of ME2 ending and when the book took place, Anderson left his post and was replaced by Udina. I don't remember the book stating that Udina had always been the councilor.

Also, /passespopcorn

edit: Spelling. 4 am is not the time for spellcheck.

Modifié par MisterShine, 28 juin 2011 - 07:55 .

[MrFob]

Yeah, don't quite remember how the exact wording was now but somehow that was a bit of a stretch (although probably not quite impossible).

also, cheers mate *munch munch*

[Whereto]

They had to decide a few things in the books, or not mention them. So I take them sort of as, me reading a story in another world from my canon storyline, not the real events taking place with in mine.

[Fogg]

GodWood wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Schrijver wrote...
Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

There's always a council.
Apparently bits of the Collector Base are still collected no matter what.


Your choices have not been contradicted.
(except for the Udina one )

I know, but humanity is described as the lapdog of the other council members now that they have a seat. Doesn't sound like that would happen when the council get's killed and humanity leads the new one

Quote?

'And, of course, the Alliance, lapdogs of their new alien masters, had followed along without protest.' (page 4)

[Tripedius]

So does this mean thé best playthrough will be letting the council live ánd saving the collectors base? (been wondering if I should make a playthrough with that anyway).

Of course this also means choices don't really have consequences. Keep collectors base --> Cerberus research, destroy collector base --> Cerberus research of the debris. No difference.
Choose Anderson on Council (dead or alive) --> Udina on council. Choose Udina --> Udina on council. Etc.

[Fogg]

Tripedius wrote...

So does this mean thé best playthrough will be letting the council live ánd saving the collectors base? (been wondering if I should make a playthrough with that anyway).

Of course this also means choices don't really have consequences. Keep collectors base --> Cerberus research, destroy collector base --> Cerberus research of the debris. No difference.
Choose Anderson on Council (dead or alive) --> Udina on council. Choose Udina --> Udina on council. Etc.

Doubt it. I have that save file, but it was my 'opposite playthrough'. Kai Leng will show up and try to kill you in in ME3 any way you played the first two games

[mulder1199]

there's enough options in the story that if you really think it through, you can come to a conclusion as to how karpshyn wrote what he did....if you let the original council die, and the humans took over, there was obviously a power struggle and humans were put back in their place as the new kid...etc...

[In Exile]

Who cares about the books? As long as the game handles your choices and doesn't overwrite them, everything is fine, yes?

[Destroy Raiden_]

As far as I'm concerned there is a cannon shep belongs to BW and given all the ingame evidence I figure if they decided to release one it would play out like this:

Mshep soldier shep becomes spector, falls in love with Ash, kills kaiden on virmire, defeats Saren, dies, works for Cerberus as a cybog, stays with Ash and finishes 3.

My world with shep is different but it is my own like a fanfiction and would I be upset if BW decided to do the scenario I just laid out even though in my world Tali is the LI, I killed Ash, and she's a biotic no I would still watch it and find the world unique. I put myself into sheps shoes to play I do not own him he's not my character it's BW I'm simply standing in his shoes.

[Parah_Salin]

If they are writing a book there will be necessity to refer to some things in the universe that you probably made a choice on in ME1 or 2. It's just a writing tool unless they make it into some critical part of the plot. Which considering how Anderson is staying on earth and probably leading some kind of resistance (I can't see him just hiding from the Reapers) he couldn't be councilor while doing that.

Something is cannon as soon as you select that choice in game.

[vader da slayer]

Schrijver wrote...

Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

Favourite quote so far:

"Third floor," Grayson said. "Take the stairs. The elevator's a little slow." 

reread those areas again. I know from the sample chapter (just order retribution last friday from amazon, got it for 8.01 USD including shipping ) that T.I.M./Jack says "destroyed the operations at the collector base" which could easily be interpreted as either ending. destroyed could just mean put a stop to or blew up the base. the council (iirc) they say "alien appeasers on the council" which could also be read either way as well.

imo Bioware (Drew K Casey Hudson et al) have an idea for a canon but they raen't going to come out and say anything so as to not ****** anyone off (since people get super touchy when someone says "x is canon" and they did y.

[Flashlegend]

Schrijver wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Schrijver wrote...
Just reading Retribution and it seems Shepard let the council live, but also saved the collector's base for Cerberus research. Does that make it canon?

There's always a council.
Apparently bits of the Collector Base are still collected no matter what.


Your choices have not been contradicted.
(except for the Udina one )

I know, but humanity is described as the lapdog of the other council members now that they have a seat. Doesn't sound like that would happen when the council get's killed and humanity leads the new one

Quote?

'And, of course, the Alliance, lapdogs of their new alien masters, had followed along without protest.' (page 4)

When I read that, I took it as the Illusive Man's cynicism regarding all aliens. Obviously the book isn't FP but when it switches perspectives it follows the tone in which the current character would speak in. I wouldn't take that line too seriously if i were you. And as other's have said, the book never mentions what happens to the collector base but technology is acquired either way.

edit: And to all people replying without having actually read the books, none of our choices in the ME games are contradicted, the OP is mistaken. (well, except anderson but  the book makes it seems like he could have stepped down or been an advisor from the start)

Modifié par Flashlegend, 28 juin 2011 - 06:50 .

[Sheppard-Commander]

How would we ever see the rumored mass effect movie if there where no canon Shep?

[Sierra Crysis]

A movie wouldn't include Shepard, as Shepard's story is concluded in ME3.

[Parah_Salin]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

How would we ever see the rumored mass effect movie if there where no canon Shep?

Simple, it's about the First Contact war, not Commander Shepard.