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[marshalleck]

Given what we know of Reapers via twitter (they have a unique core based on the species they've harvested, which is placed inside a shell) do you think the large, land-based, spider-like Reapers we saw in the E3 demos are actual Reapers themselves, or are they essentially remote controlled drones, like Saren, the Collectors, and Paul Grayson?

They seem too small to fit a traditional Reaper core, if the Human-Reaper hybrid was one such example. But they're obviously much more complex than a mere implanted organic, and they seem to have full powered Reaper weapon systems that the turian Thannix cannons are based on. On the other hand, Shepard specifically called it a Reaper when he encountered it, but perhaps that was just in common parlance. So what do you think? Are they actual Reapers, or just a weapon platform?

[ZLurps]

Been wondering about that myself.

Maybe they could be some sort of more or less permanent avatars like Husk Saren?

[TheCrakFox]

Perhaps there have been species that fall somewhere between Humanity and the Protheans in terms of potential for reapification, and these are turned into the dinky Reapers?
Doesn't seem very plausible to me though. I reckon they're either drones or there's no difference between them and any other Reaper, other than the purpose for which their form was designed.

[Barnzy]

Personally i believe the "spider-reaper" is an actual reaper. If i recall correctly the core on the derelict reaper was smaller than the human reaper core (and shaped like a mini reaper i believe). So i think the smaller spider reapers would be able to hold a reaper core, just a smaller one.

[The Elder King]

I think that they could actually be Reapers, though they're really small in comparison with the others. Whatever they are, I hope that we'll have a lot of huge Reapers in ME3.

[Juha81FIN]

I don´t want to go too far with my speculations, but I think it´s just another tool for reapers that can support them and then remote controlled drone would make sense. Much like those little flying drones at the end of ME2 bugging Normandy.

[shadowreflexion]

marshalleck wrote...

Given what we know of Reapers via twitter (they have a unique core based on the species they've harvested, which is placed inside a shell) do you think the large, land-based, spider-like Reapers we saw in the E3 demos are actual Reapers themselves, or are they essentially remote controlled drones, like Saren, the Collectors, and Paul Grayson?

They seem too small to fit a traditional Reaper core, if the Human-Reaper hybrid was one such example. But they're obviously much more complex than a mere implanted organic, and they seem to have full powered Reaper weapon systems that the turian Thannix cannons are based on. On the other hand, Shepard specifically called it a Reaper when he encountered it, but perhaps that was just in common parlance. So what do you think? Are they actual Reapers, or just a weapon platform?

Before I attempt an answer did anyone else find it strange that the "spider" Reaper was underground? It seems that if the war has started, then the time limit to construct one of that magnitude would be hard to miss unless the scene that was shown was maybe in the middle of the game. Back on topic.
I believe it to be a Reaper armature like the Geths' just on a larger scale. It seems to me that the purpose of it may very well fall into the hunter/gatherer category. Destroy a fighting enemy or harvest non combatants. Very difficult to ascertain.

[ChanelNo.S3X]

Yeah I also see it as a kind of robot terminal which the Reapers can take control of, kinda like the way Harbinger could take control of the collectors!

The fact that the "Reaper-Robot" came from a base or silo, could indicate that the reapers had allies which was tasked with building these things, so when the reapers come ,they could take control of them.

[lofte_2000]

As far as I understand it, the Reapers as a species (the name given to them by the Protheans) are generalised as such as there seem to be many different types i.e the cuttlefish style or the scarab beetle or the spider Reaper and as they have no beginning or end, perhaps they're highly intelligent machines that have evolved somehow over time to learn and teach etc. It's easier not to think about it too much...maybe ME3 will expand on this further or BioWare in the future.

[HunterX6]

shepard himself says that the spider thing is not a reaper base but a actual reaper. Meaning he already know by that time in the story what the reapers are even if not 100% sure.

[shadowreflexion]

Taking a break from Binary math. This topic shouldn't be 3 pages back. Good topic that gives something to think about knowing your enemy. Or the class of enemy we're going to be fighting in ME3.

So......Bump.

[DoNotIngest]

Shepard says "...It's an actual Reaper!" So, I'm guessing it's a real Reaper.



As for why it's a ground Reaper... I wonder what happens when the turn an entire race into smoothies and have a good deal of juice left over? Mini-Reaper is born?

[Brand New]

Who says this reapers cannot fly? The Reapers are not dumb for every fleet there need to be ground troops, thus the spider reaper. Different situations would require different types of structures.

[Robodragon]

I think the reason he calls it a reaper cause he thinks it is and while it could very well be I think its more likly a drone of some sort being crontoled by a reaper. lets not forget that the base the reaper was under in was a cerberus base (at least I think it was) and since they are holding hands with the reapers its likly that it could have been built with information provided by the reapers and there could be a pilot inside being the organic part while the rest is controled by the reapers themselves or some such thing.

[shepskisaac]

Hopefully a reaper. Bring in some variety, it's tiring when they all have cuttlefish shell

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

A fine question!  I wondered about that myself.  My theory is that there's a "break even" point where the Reapers have enough genetic material for a full fledged space based Reaper.  They have to cull millions of organics to get enough goo to make a Reaper.  However, smaller Reapers like the spider Reapers and the things we saw flying around and shooting at stuff in the game play trailer, can be made from species that fill only a single planet, or a couple planets.  These smaller Reapers are still Reapers, but they rely on the bigger Reapers for transport, support, and big picture planning.

Then there are species like the Protheans, whose Reaper supposedly failed...  Why?  I think they exterminated themselves in the fight against the Reapers, leaving not even enough individuals behind form a mini-Reaper.  Once cloned, the Protheans could become numerous enough to make a full Reaper or a min-Reaper, but their "generic" genes were of no use to the Reapers.

[shepskisaac]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Then there are species like the Protheans, whose Reaper supposedly failed...  Why?  I think they exterminated themselves in the fight against the Reapers, leaving not even enough individuals behind form a mini-Reaper.  Once cloned, the Protheans could become numerous enough to make a full Reaper or a min-Reaper, but their "generic" genes were of no use to the Reapers.

So why would the Protheans exterminate themselves if the Reapers weren't going to harvest them anyway?

[Robodragon]

if you read the last part more closly he saying that after the protheans went kamakzi on the reapers they left so few of themselves left that the reapers couldn't harvest enough of them to make a new reaper and after they did so much genetic cloning the clones became usless to be made into a reaper but not as mindless slaves. I think there is a prothean reaper and we either just haven't seen it yet cause most reapers have the same outer shell and we really don't know what they looked like (the twisted deformed statues don't count cause i think they aren't acurate) or the more likly case is that Harbinger is the prothean reaper cause he is the one in control of the prothean clones.

Modifié par Robodragon, 29 juin 2011 - 02:12 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

IsaacShep wrote...

So why would the Protheans exterminate themselves if the Reapers weren't going to harvest them anyway?

The Protheans fought so hard that the Reapers had no choice but to keep killing the Protheans.  Eventually, there just wasn't enough remaining Prothean individuals for the Reapers to render into Pre-Reaper Goo.  I suspect this is going to be the fate of the Turians too.  "There are no Turian civilians," is a line from a codex entry, I believe.  Essentially, every Turian is a soldier or at least has trained in how to handle weapons.

[lofte_2000]

So they go into a state of hibernation until some other intelligent species appears...Humans?

[Brand New]

lofte_2000 wrote...

So they go into a state of hibernation until some other intelligent species appears...Humans?

No. At the time the Reapers were supposed to show up around humans were only reaching the period of A.D. According to in game dialouge the Reapers were supposed to come back around the time of the Rachnai Wars. The Rachnai wars were infleunced by the Reapers who most likley indotronated or confused the Rachani which caused them to rebel to soften up the rest of the galaxy. At this point Human were again like I said barley advanced.

[Medhia Nox]

If it's not a Reaper - I think it's just a huge F'n Geth...

I've seen two versions of that demo - and in one of them, he does not say "It's a Reaper". I'm not sure why - "maybe" the sound cuts out, but the video doesn't flicker so it's not skipping the comment.

It's the Quarian homeworld - it should be crawling with Geth, probably the last remaining Heretic Geth. And yet - we see Cerberus soldiers and a Reaper??

Also, how exactly did the Reapers build a "Reaper Base" on the Far Rim - when they're flying up from the Galactic south? The Far Rim is on the Galactic north east.

Now, of course it's not impossible (or any more impossible than giant genocidal space cuttlefish) but it just seems so much more logical that it would be a "Geth Base" (who, of course, we know have been following the Reapers... at least, the Heretic geth). Yeah - I know Sovereign could have "planned" it.

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Anyway - it's likely just "mysterious Reaper that will never be explained because they're too vastly powerful and mysterious" - when in the design room it was "wouldn't a car chase with a Reaper be cool".

[Purge the heathens]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

The Protheans fought so hard that the Reapers had no choice but to keep killing the Protheans. Eventually, there just wasn't enough remaining Prothean individuals for the Reapers to render into Pre-Reaper Goo.

I don't think that numbers are that important. One theory I came up with was that the harvested populations are used to create a prototype and once that prototype has been tuned to perfection, more Reapers from the same species are made using cloned raw material.


As for the spiders, I think they undermine the Reapers' power somewhat. "We're independent, free of all weakness... Also, could someone please carry me to our next destination?" So either they can transform somehow and assume flight or they're controlled by a "true" Reaper / said Reaper downloads a part of its consciousness into the spider or something like that.

[IndigoWolfe]

Barnzy wrote...

Personally i believe the "spider-reaper" is an actual reaper. If i recall correctly the core on the derelict reaper was smaller than the human reaper core (and shaped like a mini reaper i believe). So i think the smaller spider reapers would be able to hold a reaper core, just a smaller one.

That was the Element Zero core, not the Reaper core structure.

[Scorpion1O1]

I interpreted it as a Keeper Reaper
I think the Keepers were a race like the Prothans/Collectors and I'm not sure whether that race was able to be harvested but thats what I think happened to the Keepers