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[Missouri Tigers]

Whenever I choose to destroy the base at the end of the game, it's because I can't trust Illusive Man with that much technology/power.  It seems that the only reason Shepard does destroy it though is because he feels he shouldn't use something that killed so many humans, and I think that's kind of stupid.  Destroying it so a possibly evil man can't get it makes sense, but why would you destroy it just because you don't like what the Collectors did there?  Aren't you trying to save the galaxy?

[Labrev]

The more I think about it, the more I kinda "get" why they made it that way. Think of it like this: The Collector Base is a giant human death-factory. It has the appearance of an insect hive, much like the Collector Vessel, and just conveys an overall feeling of gloom-and-doom. Heck, you watched somebody melt to death while you were on it.

Now, this is not to say it's sound thinking, because it isn't. Emotions are typically binding to one's better logic. But, I kinda took it as a "you had to be there" thing when he makes it a moral issue.

So yeah, my decision didn't have anything to do with the "morality" of it, but from a story POV I can go with it.

[SandTrout]

I was kind of annoyed by Shepard's lines regarding the CB. I didn't give the CB to TIM because the entire thing was too much of a liability to leave hanging around.

We saw what happened with Object Rho, which was more or less my worries with the CB, except the CB presented much more of a threat of being a staging ground for the Reapers.

[Asari Commando]

i agreed with shepard that what they did to humans there was an abomination, but that is most definetly NOT why i chose to destroy it. there were two huge contributing factors (for me) that led to the collector base getting blown up.


A. TIM, and cerberus in general, cannot be trusted. never liked him, and this was prime op to screw him over.
B. grew to dispise the collectors, harbinger especially.
^^^
"we are harbinger"
"preserve shepards body if possible"
"you will know pain shepard"
"my attack will tear you apart"
-----harbinger drops to smidge of HP
"this body is irrelevant"
"this changes nothing shepard."
"releasing control of this form."
......."assuming control"

like ooomg, by the time i got there i was so ready to blow that place to the sky.

Modifié par Asari Commando, 28 juin 2011 - 09:12 .

[Bailyn242]

What was done there was an abomination but that wasn't my reasoning, or at least it wasn't enough reason to destroy it.

TIM and Cerberus with that kinda of power and tech? Bad, I mean really bad idea. These are people who play with things that they cannot comprehend and it usually backfires on them. Do I give them the opportunity to accidentally make a Reaper? Do I give them the opportunity to do do other races what the Collectors did to the human Colonists? No.

Then there is the whole Indoctrination potential too. Poorly understood tech, enemies on the horizon, and someone who I can't trust at my back. Nope, leaving it intact regardless of its potential was too great a risk.

[FlyingSquirrel]

double post, sorry

Modifié par FlyingSquirrel, 29 juin 2011 - 02:11 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Well, "I won't let fear compromise who I am" can be interpreted a lot of ways. It might signify revulsion at what happened on the base, but it might also mean not letting fear of the Reapers convince you to hand the base over to someone like TIM.

[Bogsnot1]

No, he didnt destroy it for the wrong reasons. He saw how much Cerberus couldnt be trusted with his own two eyes. Examples:
Thorian Creeper
Rachni
Dragon Spikes

No way in hell was TIM getting getting hish ands on it after all those screwups.

[FlyingSquirrel]

A funny thing - the first time I played ME2, I was playing as an alien-friendly Paragon who was skeptical of Cerberus but starting to make hasty decisions towards the end. When it came time to decide about the base, I was half-genuinely convinced by the Illusive Man's rhetoric about using it to save lives and decided not to blow it up. Then when it was over and TIM started in with his "human dominance" routine, I thought, "Oh crap, I *knew* I shouldn't have trusted that guy!"

[yfullman]

My feeling are 9/10 times someone messes with Reaper tech you will be fighting husks on that level lol

[Missouri Tigers]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

No, he didnt destroy it for the wrong reasons. He saw how much Cerberus couldnt be trusted with his own two eyes. Examples:
Thorian Creeper
Rachni
Dragon Spikes

No way in hell was TIM getting getting hish ands on it after all those screwups.

That's what I think when I destroy it.  But the dialogue makes it sound like the only reason Shepard doesn't do it is because a lot of humans died there.  I totally understand not giving it to Cerberus, but it's foolish to not do it just because the Collectors/Reapers did bad things there.

[tjzsf]

Yeah, the fact that a lot of humans died there should make it a reason to keep it. Those humans died anyway, their deaths are a sunk cost that shouldn't impact any future decision you make.

TIM's trustworthiness, on the other hand, should be doubted. That should have been the reason given for destroying it.

[sbvera13]

Simple fact; it's built out of reaper tech. What happens when you screw with reaper tech? Indoctrination, husks, or secret computer viruses disabling your ship.  So yeah, the dialogue was annoying.

In Soviet Russia, Collector Base Studies YOU.

Modifié par sbvera13, 08 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .

[Sajuro]

My view is that if you want to do it for other reasons, those could be your Shepard's reasons as well since I think the line was just a place holder for your reasons.

[magelet]

Yeah...the thing is I think that yours is the main reason why many people want to destroy it; namely, that they think TIM is sketchy or they don't want Cerberus to have that technology, etc.

I agree that it was kind of silly that Shepard could only say that s/he wanted to destroy it because its original purpose was to kill humans. I suppose that would allow a Shepard to remain allies with Cerberus regardless? But then it doesn't make sense how your squadmates are all acting like blowing up the base = leaving Cerberus...Oh well.

[Quole]

Shepard says a lot of things that contradict the reasons I have for making many of the decisions in ME2.

[JamieCOTC]

Quole wrote...

Shepard says a lot of things that contradict the reasons I have for making many of the decisions in ME2.

This.  It bothered me at first, but I learned to live w/ it and now just chalk it up to things said in the heat of battle. 

[Rinny2009]

Shepard is me and so my reasons for destroying the base are because:

1) Dont want it falling into Cerberus' hands, cant trust them.

2) Reapers and other Collectors can take it back easily before all the tech can be salvaged and understood.
We dont know if there are more Collectors elsewhere.

3) Respect and honor my fallen crew by not keeping that monstrous thing around.

4) People might be indoctrinated since it is Reaper tech, built by Collectors.

There are other ways to destroy Reapers and dont need Reaper/Collector tech to do it.
Did it in ME1 and will do it again in ME3.

[100k]

yfullman wrote...

My feeling are 9/10 times someone messes with Reaper tech you will be fighting husks on that level lol

Exactly. While I understand Shepard's line about "fear compromising who I am", THIS should have been his/her rationale. 

And  Renegade Shepard should've given the base to the Illusive Man as a gift for rebuilding Shepard. If some guy just saved me from the void, I'd probably let him keep his immoral guns.

[DalekBob]

My reasons for destroying the base? Simple, these are the same folks who almost destroyed civilisation as we know it by plugging a bloke with autism into a PC. I wouldn't trust them to handle the washing up without unleashing Beelzebub. Sometimes stupidity can be well-meaning, and sometimes evil is necessary, but combine them both and you're screwed.

[Asari Commando]

if i had the option to hand over the tech to alliance or the council races?

then definetly, i do not trust TIM 1%. i wouldnt of saved the collectors chewing gum if he asked, that guy is a dirty terrorist. the horizon ordeal when he set up VS and all those people, just to get the collectors out. then he leads shepards team right into a trap, typical cerberus scum.

[eternalnightmare13]

TIM sending Shepard and Co. into a trap on the Collector ship, the 'luring' of Collectors to Horizon, and the derelict Reaper are all reasons why my Shepard doesn't trust TIM. Not to mention all the hi jinks Cerebus pulled in ME1. Those were my Shepard's reasons for blowing it to hell.