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[goofyomnivore]

It's competition was more polished, and showed more.. I didn't expect it to win anything.

Modifié par strive, 29 juin 2011 - 02:29 .

[shepskisaac]

Montezuma IV wrote...
I like you 10x more.

strive wrote...
It's competition was more polished, and showed more.. I didn't expect it to win anything.

It won many awards from other outlets though. GCAs are the most important yes, but they're not everything. Look at how many awards Tomb Raider and Uncharted 3 won yet they didn't win a single Game Critics Award.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 02:33 .

[MajorStranger]

habitat 67 wrote...

Bah, a year ago people were saying Duke Nukem was going to blow all other games out of the water. So far this year nothing has yet come out that is overly impressive (save Portal 2 I suppose).

On technical level there's LA Noire, but I don't see it become the GOTY, it's gonna be a tied between BF3 and Skyrim, then on the top 5 uncharted 3, arkham city and Gears of War 3.

[Gatt9]

Isn't it interesting how,  if you point out the enourmous shortcomings in ME2,  you get a dozen posts about how "ME2 won all those awards and you're an idiot for not agreeing!". 

But then when ME3 doesn't win anything,  they're suddenly as pointless as I asserted when the topic was ME2.

Bioshock Infinite, Bioshock Infinite, Skyrim, Bioshock Infinite, Bioshock Infinite, Battlefield 3, Bioshock Infinite.

Meh.. not too surprised... Skyrim is the RPG of 2011 and ME3's delayed release probably pushed the focus m ore on Skyrim.

Odds are it'll bomb.  TES isn't as big a seller as people made it out to be,  and Oblivion only got attention because there was literally no other RPG in a year of it.  Bethseda's continuing their tradition of alienating fanbases.  Then there's the fact that every Bethseda game is accompanied by it's fans insisting "Wait until the modders get it,  they'll fix the bugs and the bad design".

Plus,  Zenimax has spent a metric crap ton of money in the last couple years,  with only Fallout 3 to make up for it.  Odds are really good Zeni's going to push it out the door just to make the loan payments.  Especially if Rage isn't a 10 million unit game.

TBH,  they alienated and publicly mocked the Morrowind fans,  alienated the Star Trek fans,  alienated the Fallout fans,  and they're alienating more TES fans.  Bad Design + Worse Attitude = Bankruptcy.  It's just not good buisness sense to intentionally attack your customers,  which is Bethseda's primary method of PR.

This year's E3 was full of great game, I'm actually looking forward to Battlefield 3, Bioshock Infinite, Skyrim, ect. so yes Mass Effect was overshadowed by the humongous number of potential GOTY this year.

IMO,  I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you sir.

I'm older,  I admit it.  I played Atari games on release,  given I was a small child,  but I was there.  So I've seen alot of game years,  and alot of E3's.

This is hands down the most dismal one I've seen.

I went through the lists each day of E3 and after.  Hoping something cool was coming.  All I saw was "Shooter,  shooter,  shooter!".  Everything they showed was the same bloody game.  There was the occasional RTS,  or Pseudo-RPG (Skyrim,  ME3,  which are far more TPS than RPG),  but it was easily 10:1 in favor of straight shooters.

Every studio,  every publisher,  is pushing nothing but Shooters.  As hard as they can.  Even when it's completely non-sensical (Xcom).  For the next 12-24 months we get almost nothing but Shooters.  This is not at all healthy.

What makes it worse is,  there were other types of games at E3,  and there are other games out there.  Tropico 4 was shown,  but...nothing.  No one wrote about it.  Dead State,  a fricken Zombie-apocalypse RPG exists and no one talks about it.

But we get pages and pages of "I'm a shooter too!!!".  Why?  Why is not only the gaming industry,  but also the gaming press completely centered on delivering nothing but shooters,  to the point of ignoring anything that isn't a shooter?  What is the thinking behind this?  There's no discernable reason other than a massive problem,  not only with publishers and their buisness plans,  but with the gaming press and it's insistence in dangling from every word from a few publishers to the exclusion of all else.

The problem is,  gamer fatigue.  You can only play the same game so many times before it gets boring,  and when every game is the same game,  it's going to lead to a market crash.  The fact that two months have now shown 15% drops and the analysts are all starting to get really hesitant about gaming is a huge red flag.

But it's too late now.  Games take too long to develop,  and "Shooter!" is all we'll get for the next ~2 years,  by then,  people will be sick of it,  and have moved on.  This is how the SNES/Genesis generation died out,  identical games,  blind to the coming critical point of gamer fatigue,  and unable to shift gears when things fell apart.

[shepskisaac]

^ Lots of valid points, but you forget Arkham City, Tomb Raider and Assassin's Creed: Revelations were HUGE at E3. Definitely not shooters.

[slimgrin]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, games were released and their quality judged by the public, not by PR hype or publishers giving reach arounds to magazine editors ( or is that supposed to be the other way around... )

[Balek-Vriege]

Regardless of the worth of the awards or the merits of the games themselves, I think it's fair not to give any 2011 awards to ME3 since it's now a 2012 game.

[Bogsnot1]

Ah yes, critics. The talentless hacks who lack the ability to create their own games, so they p*ss and moan about everyone elses. We have dismissed their claims.

[Balek-Vriege]

Thinking back on the E3 presentations, like many other have said, Bethesda showed off and/or talked about a lot of new RPG elements in Skyrim. Not to mention their new quest/plot systems sound awsome and may be what a sandbox RPG needs. Bioware didn't show any new RPG elements for ME3 at the show. Only their new (and better) combat system and enviroments. So it fairly shouldn't win best RPG since it didn't show off anything new and couldn't win anything else but maybe "most anticipated/best game" awards.

Kind of reminds me of the Lord of the Rings taking in the Academy Awards two years in a row and then kind of falling flat I think in the third year. People got used to the franchise and it didn't have the same hype. As a side note, I feel that those movies should have only won awards after the third installment since they were made all at the same time.

The only real RPG innovation in between ME1 and ME3 has been interrupts in conversation. You can only give so many awards to the same RPG mechanics no matter how good they are.

[Lumikki]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Regardless of the worth of the awards or the merits of the games themselves, I think it's fair not to give any 2011 awards to ME3 since it's now a 2012 game.

I don't know, because it was year 2011 E3 awards. ME3 was there, so that's why it does belong there too.

ME3 was nominated only for two category, so it's possibility to win was max of two award. Too bad it did not win them, but it did not really surprise me. Because categories was Best Console Game and Best RPG Game. Also lets wait year 2012 GOTY awards.

Modifié par Lumikki, 29 juin 2011 - 04:06 .