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[TomY90]

 OK BEFORE I START I AM NOT ANTI GAY OR BI-SEXUAL OR LESBIAN RELATIONS INFACT I HAVE A RELATIVE WHO IS GAY AND I AM GLAD HE IS HAPPY WITH HIS CURRENT RELATIONSHIP.

ok I understand why people are wanting same sex romances because a large amount of gamers are gay in real life and others want more choice when romancing in the mass effect series.

What I do not understand is why with characters that have already been set in stone which genders they like to romance with want them to in a sense come out of the blue saying they are Bi-sexual.

I can see why some people would like to seeing some characters do you know what with the same sex but story wise it creates huge issues, i will give examples below.

Kaidan - He said he loved this girl on Jump Zero infact he killed a Turian to protect her and he did seem more interested in the women than the men during ME1. This makes it seem crazy for him to become Bi.

Ashley - I know she is religious and nowadays that does not make her straight (if it was around the times of the romans then I would say yes but not now) but how she talks to you during ME1 does shoot the possibility in the foot

Jacob - He has a child (ignore that part got it wrong) and dated Miranda Lawson which to me does not sound like someone to be coming out he is Bi.

Thane - He loved his wife and had children which makes it even more unlikely he will be Bi.

Miranda - Granted she does dress in a extremely luring way but the ME2 LOTSB DLC showed her to be straight considering she did online dating and all the replies were male and she was extremely concerned about her ability to concede a child (granted you can become pregnant by other means but this does weigh into balance with the evidence) making her unlikely to be Bi.

Garrus - Granted he pretty much idolises Shepard but he does talk about his antics with a female turian in such detail and happiness about it and his comments especially about Grunt on the Loyalty mission makes him unlikely to be Bi.

Tali - Ok this is one i concede there is little evidence of her being pure straight except the romance but she does show a special likeness to Kal Reegar which does sort of make it harder to say she is Bi.

Jack - Impossible to defend she did pretty much hint at it that she is Bi.

I will say as well every single one of these characters do not show any interest if you are the same sex especially in the case of Garrus and Tali they barely talk to you during ME2.

I do see them adding some ME3 bi romances possibly along the lines of the Ascari considering shepard has been very much of a straight shooter throughout the ME series (except for the Ascari but there female only).

and if they use ME3 characters to do so I am happy for them to so just do not want them tampering with the ME1/2 characters in such a way (i was unhappy with what they did to Tali and Garrus to make them romances)



 

Modifié par TomY90, 28 juin 2011 - 11:10 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

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There are other threads open. 

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 28 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[DoNotIngest]

Doesn't matter how reasonable or unreasonable your OP is, someone will say something inflammatory and this thread will go to hell.


Premature apologies.

[HopHazzard]

Because they want what they want and don't care if it makes sense to you?

[Captain_Obvious]

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Hint to the op: lurk just a little bit more before posting. 

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 28 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[Ryzaki]

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that all bisexuals like women and men equally.

That's...not the case.

[shepskisaac]

Is this forreal?

TomY90 wrote...
Kaidan - He said he loved this girl on Jump Zero infact he killed a Turian to protect her and he did seem more interested in the women than the men during ME1. This makes it seem crazy for him to become Bi.

It's crazy for a bisexual man to be in love with a woman and be interested in women in general?  I thought bisexual men were suppoused to be interested in women  Guess I was wrong my entire life

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 juin 2011 - 10:03 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Wait!

I noticed something, it's essentially "Female characters can be bi, but males can't!" I mean look at all the reasoning.

[frostajulie]

[quote]TomY90 wrote...
What I do not understand is why with characters that have already been
set in stone which genders they like to romance with want them to in a
sense come out of the blue saying they are Bi-sexual. [/quote]

Since the romance option is just that, an option I disagree that
preference has been set in stone, in particular in ME1 the romance was
very small just a few extra lines  with your LI. There could be any
number of reasons why Ash was not into fem shep in ME1 not the least of
which would be reconciling her religious beliefs with her sexual
preference, or maybe if you are a fem shep Ash does not want to
jeapardize her 1st shot at getting a juicy assignment and clearing her
families name.  Sure she jumps in bed with Male Shep but that is a whole
other universe.  Her preference was never set in stone she didn't have
enough on screen time to say that, no character did really so unless she
flat out had a convo that went something like yeah I love men but am
not into women then the possibility is always there.

Kaiden may
prefer women but that does not mean he is not open to the idea of being
with a guy it just takes a special certain something from a guy to draw
him in.  Kaiden is a very careful and emotionally controlled character
he may have learned early on to hide his homosexual interests and since
he preferred women anyway it wasn't such a big deal.  I can see this
side of it since I prefer men myself but would be open to a relationship
with a woman but it would be a very special kind of woman I would want
and yeah she would definitely have to be totally hot.  I am much less picky when it comes to men.  So this is a perspective I can understand and fully see as Kaidens quirk.


[quote]TomY90 wrote...


Kaidan - He said he loved this girl on Jump Zero infact he killed a Turian to protect her and he did seem more interested in the women than the men during ME1. This makes it seem crazy for him to become Bi.   [/quote]

Not crazy just a bit of off screen character development you never got to see not out of the realm of possibility as explained before. Even Zev from DAO said he preferred women but was perfectly content to be with a man such as the warden.

[quote]TomY90 wrote...
Ashley - I know she is religious and nowadays that does not make her straight (if it was around the times of the romans then I would say yes but not now) but how she talks to you during ME1 does shoot the possibility in the foot [/quote]

Depends on who you played many femsheps agree their is a bit of Sexual tension in the exchanges between Ash and the commander and that whole line about "so you are interested in Kaiden?" can be taken in a whole new comntext.


[quote]TomY90 wrote...
Jacob - He has a child and dated Miranda Lawson which to me does not sound like someone to be coming out he is Bi. [/quote]

I don't know dide with thoise huge choppers of his he might take anything he can get, I mean seriously his abs may look good but he has the teeth of a horse, those things are huge.  But seriously you never asked him as a male and he never told you its that simple we are not given deep stories for any of the characters so he could be bi but it never came up and maybe he was intimidated by you in ME2.



[quote]TomY90 wrote..
Miranda - Granted she does dress in a extremely luring way but the ME2 LOTSB DLC showed her to be straight considering she did online dating and all the replies were male and she was extremely concerned about her ability to concede a child (granted you can become pregnant by other means but this does weigh into balance with the evidence) making her unlikely to be Bi. [/quote]

Everything we know about her does say she is straight but again the topic never came up so it was not set in stone and if she on;y goes for a certain kind of woman- hot, touygh heroic and an awesome warrior- well then there you go.

quote]TomY90 wrote..
Garrus - Granted he pretty much idolises Shepard but he does talk about his antics with a female turian in such detail and happiness about it and his comments especially about Grunt on the Loyalty mission makes him unlikely to be Bi.  [/quote]

I am undecided on this one I mean he does not even appear to be anatomically compatable with a female human and he actually had to research how to  do stuff with fem shep so It could just be tension relief with your idol  I'm still a bit unclear on how it could happen I mean turian and humans are so different in appearance, their sense of aesthetics has to be different as well, what is it that Garrus sees in Femshep?  Maybe he sees the same thing in a male shep.  Don't get me wrong I thought Garrus was absolutely adorable in his romance arc, A bit disappointed with the headbump and fade to black but it was soo cute this big warrior suddenly nervous and out of his element so cocky behind a sniper rifle now hiding behind cheesy music and romantic gimmicks.  I still had to suspend my disbelief so I can give you Garrus.

Also agree about Thane.



quote]TomY90 wrote..
Tali - Ok this is one i concede there is little evidence of her being pure straight except the romance but she does show a special likeness to Kal Reegar which does sort of make it harder to say she is Bi.

Jack - Impossible to defend she did pretty much hint at it that she is Bi. [/quote]

Tali says to fem shep that she would be willing to hook suits with Shepard if necessary and then she got all flustered so I think Tali is definitely interested in Fem shep just maybe not as willing to pursue that option as she was to pursue male shep.  And I have been dying to romance Jack since day 1 it is really not fair that you can't in ME2 since as a fem shep you get almost no dialoguwe with her.  I was really sad about that and look forward to running a femshep through the trilogy for the sole purpose of romancing her.

That's just my take on it and I am pleased that the new romances will be equal opportunity.

[Roachbugg]

[shepskisaac]

Love the Miranda part.

"Dated Miranda Lawson = not bi". Miranda Lawson, the straightmaker!

[lazuli]

TomY90 wrote...

 

Jacob - He has a child and dated Miranda Lawson which to me does not sound like someone to be coming out he is Bi.

 

Jacob does not have a child.  The line of dialogue that probably confused you was where he says he is an "only child," meaning he has no siblings.

[Tric]

TomY90 wrote...

 Jacob - He has a child and dated Miranda Lawson which to me does not sound like someone to be coming out he is Bi.

 

I just wanted to comment on this. Jacob does not have a child. He's an only child, but he's no one's father. At least he doesn't say so in any of the games.

Edit: Heh, ninja'd

Modifié par SomethingSome, 28 juin 2011 - 10:23 .

[hotdogbsg]

Jacob - He has a child 

Wait, what?

When did this get mentioned?

[ladyvader]

When did Jacob ever mention he had a child? I must have missed it on my many playthroughs?

Just because someone was/is in a hetro relationship does not mean they can't be bi or gay for that matter. Many people don't want to acknowledge it until later in their life because they are either ashamed themselves or too scared to act on their true feelings. I would say the same could be said about certain ME characters.

@mrsph---Liara is not a lesbian. I really wish people would stop saying that. If confronted by her and Kaidan in ME, and you choose Liara, Kaidan makes a comment that he didn't know Shepard was into other women. Liara then comments that she isn't exactly a woman. Which means she is not a lesbian. Male/Female have no real meaning for asari. Liara also says that in ME.

[shepskisaac]

mrsph wrote...

Also, just because someone has dated, or ever been in a long-term relationship, doesn't mean they still can't come out of the closet :/

Nonsense. Haven't you learnt anything today? Fine, will sum it up for you again:

#1. Bisexual men are not suppoused to be interested in women
#2. Dating Miranda Lawson turns you 100% straight
#3. Having a child makes you 100% straight, as we know bisexual and gay people are infertile

[graciegrace]

Ryzaki wrote...

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that all bisexuals like women and men equally.

That's...not the case.

this really.  Bioware illustrated it in DAO, where Zevran and Leliana preffered women, but liked men as well

[Roachbugg]

why are people posting here flag this topic as spam for beating the dead horse and move on this discussion has been had.

[falconlord5]

Well, I support bi Li's to see if we can annoy the moral guardians so much that they declare war, thus causing a massive civil war that will end all life as we know it.

[Rinji the Bearded]

mrsph wrote...

Jacob having a child and not telling my Shepard may result in a breakup.

Or an episode on Maury.